Why did bow get buffed?

Tintinabula

Fillem_Fulla wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Name a destro staff 1.2 second cast time skill that does 1200 dps..one cast.

Show me a video of player with bow spec in trials pre 1.5.that is why it was buffed.

so..you're saying they made a bow hit 3 times harder than a destro staff because of PVE?..My head...flying over.

Gooey

Fillem_Fulla wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Name a destro staff 1.2 second cast time skill that does 1200 dps..one cast.

Show me a video of player with bow spec in trials pre 1.5.that is why it was buffed.

Show me a video of Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.... This game is becoming an over priced version of that.

Columba

once arrows can get through perma blocking and reflective skills, then we can discuss bows.

Gooey

Columba wrote: »

once arrows can get through perma blocking and reflective skills, then we can discuss bows.

What about bows doing 2000 DPS?

Soris

It's funny to argue about bows just because it can be reflected by scales. Nerf the scales then. There are 3 other classes which don't have flap flap wings.

9/10 players using bow right now and it's *** crazy.

kijima

Gooey wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

once arrows can get through perma blocking and reflective skills, then we can discuss bows.

What about bows doing 2000 DPS?

Come on, sustained 2000 DPS... Don't let a good story get in the way of truth will you.

It's good, but not that good.

Tintinabula

I have an NB friend who takes out most anyone with two snipes regularly..and sometimes even one if he crits. Its not that far fetched.

Columba

I rarely die to bows. l2block and l2dodge

kijima

Been NB Bow user since Beta, I can attest to one shotting people, very easy if your target is a vamp.

But sustained DPS of 2K is a big call, opener from stealth @ 2K is still achievable with 1.52 (not seeing any real change from 1.47 on that to be honest) but as far as sustained DPS goes, I would say 2K is not possible. Bow is strong now, no doubt's there but 2K DPS?

Don't think so, happy to be proven wrong though.

EsORising

As a bow player i def understand why they are making improvements. The bow is underpowered and easy to dodge makes me wonder why anyone uses it. The people complaning about this are other classes that don't play bow and have a bias. I got all 4 base classes and magicka builds are way more powerful and mele is better than a bow. Think about it... seems like the best builds are Templar, mages, DK, daggers then bows. If you look at it that way then you would probably see the need for bow improvements.

Rylana

kijima wrote: »

Been NB Bow user since Beta, I can attest to one shotting people, very easy if your target is a vamp.

But sustained DPS of 2K is a big call, opener from stealth @ 2K is still achievable with 1.52 (not seeing any real change from 1.47 on that to be honest) but as far as sustained DPS goes, I would say 2K is not possible. Bow is strong now, no doubt's there but 2K DPS?

Don't think so, happy to be proven wrong though.

Poison injection can crit its dot for 400 per tick now, dont forget to factor that in.

Im hitting 1700 DPS in PvP regularly vs keep guards. Vs players thats harder to measure because the typical player has about 3200 health, which is 2-3 shots tops unless they block or heal.

Havent tested my build in PvE land, but before 1.5 this exact build was doing 1350 sustained single target in vet dungeons. Id surmise its closer to 1500 now, maybe even more. Weapon power stamina bow builds are absolutely ridiculous DPS right now (and thats a good thing considering how all-in you have to spec for it)

Davadin

So, after much consideration, being a 2H/Destro DK for all (this charater's) life. I decided to retire my destro staff.

Crafted a VR6 Purple bow. Started with lv6 Bow skills tree. Unlocked 2 skills and 1 passive. And went to Cyrodiil.

Wow........

LOL just wow. What used to animates so long with Destro (even with clipping), now I can spam with a bow. Just hold the mouse until heavy is charged, release and pop a poison right away. Then just spam spam spam light and heavy.

I'm doing at least 400 DPS against a player when I'm single-targetting (usually i swap targets and AoE and mix them all up in the front line) from a distance (or from stealth).

I mean, as a super low level bow user and VR6 DK, I can drop a player's health IN HALF if i crit from a distance? I'm pouring AP and XP last night just doing that and the occasional AoE arrows area thing.... which got morphed and now it has a DoT LOL. Third skill unlocked kinda suck tho. 10m only? I'd rather switch to my 2H and wreck things up.

Seriously. At v1.5, bow is easy mode when in a group, fighting in a distance. (ganking style, i'll still go to my 2H's wrecking blow...)

Grim13

Tintinabula wrote: »

Name a destro staff 1.2 second cast time skill that does 1200 dps..one cast.

How many times can someone cast the unblockable, multi-target Impulse in 1.2 seconds?

Minnesinger

For single target damage bow is very good. The use of bow will never be as popular as destro because of its lack of AoE. I wanna see a zerg running into a keep spamming poison arrow or snipe. It has its advantages and limitations. To me a bow user is a reminiscent of a sniper. Kill someone and get lost fast. Hide and seek.

High dps.

Davadin

Minnesinger wrote: »

For single target damage bow is very good. The use of bow will never be as popular as destro because of its lack of AoE. I wanna see a zerg running into a keep spamming poison arrow or snipe. It has its advantages and limitations. To me a bow user is a reminiscent of a sniper. Kill someone and get lost fast. Hide and seek.

High dps.

Hmm i used it to be productive when it would be suicidal to jump to the front line with my 2H....

wayfarerb14_ESO

Really? Cuz I used bows pre-buff and felt like the weakest link. I love that I can actually be useful now. And not just with snipe- I love that the other abilities in the bow line are more useful now as well. One of my favorite moments when I got to test it after the update was when I watched as I burned through a guard npc as quickly as my magicka built guildies could. Before the update, if I wanted to solo a single guard npc, it was a long fight if I only used my bow, especially if I didn't see the guard (in the daily questing areas, for example) until after I had already aggroed him (snipe was useless at that point, since the guard was already charging toward you).

As to being upset that everyone seems to be using bows in Cyrodiil now- why shouldn't players give them a try after reading the patch notes? Why shouldn't players try anything out after any patch notes? For all we know, these could have been players who had wanted to use them before the patch, but then given them up when they either realized that it was a weaker weapon than the destro staff, or when any group they tried to join in PvE trials, etc, or when a narrow-minded group/guild yelled at them for not wearing a skirt and waving a stick.

Lots of people had dismissed bows as being useless before. And in many cases, stamina builds weren't welcome for various reasons, one of which was the lack of hard-hitting aoe abilities. In a former guild I was a part of, the guild leader told us that we could play however we wanted to in PvE, but in PvP we had to wear light armor and wield the all too familiar destro/resto staff combination. (To be fair, that is a very useful combination for magicka heavy characters). When I was in Cyrodiil yesterday, I was tickled pink when the guildie who was leading our small group actually gave the "archers, ready your bows" command.

They had long been considered useless in PvP, unless we were up on the walls ranging down players on siege equipment, and even then it was just a minor annoyance unless the player just stood there (at that distance, snipe is the only thing that can reach).

Right now, it seems like there are a lot of archers in Cyrodiil. But how much of that has to do with you (general you) just now noticing that there is a bow weapon option that some people actually like to use?

Ifthir_ESO

the tears from the stick/dress crowd are out of control


/signed, stick/dress wearer

Columba

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

Ezareth

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

Since you're copy/pasting the same comment in all the bow threads I must as well.

Welcome to the Elder Bows Online....a 1000 bows of the Cyrodiil nation will descend upon you...our arrows will blot out the sun....

Columba

You can hear snipes. Simply block, dodge or keep moving. Easy stuff.

Agrippa_Invisus

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

Since you're copy/pasting the same comment in all the bow threads I must as well.

Welcome to the Elder Bows Online....a 1000 bows of the Cyrodiil nation will descend upon you...our arrows will blot out the sun....

The issue and the solution all in one image.

Davadin

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

Agrippa_Invisus

Davadin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

*glances at /sig*

Use Reflect more.

Done.

Asgari

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

*glances at /sig*

Use Reflect more.

Done.

Its funny how one week people complain about one thing then hard switch to another topic. It boggles my mind people dont realize they can use the bow as well. sure you may do a little less damage the ones specifically speced for it, but you can still use it and do similar damage.

People need to just theory craft more and stop following the bandwagon. People notice more and more bow users and follow suit. Well eventually you have tons of bow users and only see damage from that and complain. Same goes for impulse and now wall of elements with that weapon line.

If people took the time to create various builds and death recaps had things on their that werent so consistent people would spend less time on the forums crying and more time in game actually enjoying themselves.

Decide if you want to Single target DPS or AoE bomb, or even turtle like the most turtle tank possible. Find a role and excel at it. Besides your class skills everyone has all of the weapon skills at their disposal on top of the different armor choices.

It is up to us as players to build our own sets and styles and excel at it. Stop being followers and become a real factor in PvP.

Columba

Since DKs and sorc can use bows, can my NB get a port or flappy wings skill?

Asgari

Columba wrote: »

Since DKs and sorc can use bows, can my NB get a port or flappy wings skill?

You have other skills and passives that work equally well.

Columba

My point is that everyone can equip a bow, so why are people whining about it?

Davadin

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

*glances at /sig*

Use Reflect more.

Done.

Dude when u see me in battle, u can see my wings flappin every 5-6 seconds.... (when i got the magicka to do it or tri-pots), but the damn patch makes EVERYONE grab a bow.


Pre-patch it's like the *** Harry Potter movie, now it's freakin "300"....

Agrippa_Invisus

Davadin wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

*glances at /sig*

Use Reflect more.

Done.

Dude when u see me in battle, u can see my wings flappin every 5-6 seconds.... (when i got the magicka to do it or tri-pots), but the damn patch makes EVERYONE grab a bow.


Pre-patch it's like the *** Harry Potter movie, now it's freakin "300"....

Yup. Be more vigilant. If you're an LA using DK (most are), then you should have the magicka to keep it up constantly.

It sucks, yup. Stop wearing LA if you want it to be less effective against you.

Gooey

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs think that only they should have strong ranged damage. Again, 75% of my bow shots are blocked or reflected. Reduce that and we can discuss bow dps. I rarely die to bows.

In patch 1.5, most of my deaths shifted from being blasted by Sorc, into Sniped by 3 different people...

*glances at /sig*

Use Reflect more.

Done.

Its funny how one week people complain about one thing then hard switch to another topic. It boggles my mind people dont realize they can use the bow as well. sure you may do a little less damage the ones specifically speced for it, but you can still use it and do similar damage.

People need to just theory craft more and stop following the bandwagon. People notice more and more bow users and follow suit. Well eventually you have tons of bow users and only see damage from that and complain. Same goes for impulse and now wall of elements with that weapon line.

If people took the time to create various builds and death recaps had things on their that werent so consistent people would spend less time on the forums crying and more time in game actually enjoying themselves.

Decide if you want to Single target DPS or AoE bomb, or even turtle like the most turtle tank possible. Find a role and excel at it. Besides your class skills everyone has all of the weapon skills at their disposal on top of the different armor choices.

It is up to us as players to build our own sets and styles and excel at it. Stop being followers and become a real factor in PvP.

It doesn't matter how many spec or don't spec bow. Either way it's still stupid. Only DKs can stop the spamming of lethal arrow/focused aim, it's not really fair to sorcs, templars, and nightblades.