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Why did bow get buffed?
Brangwen
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It's made playing in Cyrodiil much less enjoyable(I'm trying not to use strong language here...). Nerfing stealth damage doesn't do much when people can basically now spam lethal arrow in open combat.
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I am going to take a wild guess and say that it got buffed in an attempt to put stamina builds on par with magicka builds. Considering magicka builds are still superior in PvP, I am not sure what there is to complain about.18 -
squshy7✭✭✭It's made playing in Cyrodiil much less enjoyable(I'm trying not to use strong language here...). Nerfing stealth damage doesn't do much when people can basically now spam lethal arrow in open combat.
They're also able to be interrupted, soo... #dealwithit?
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They are trying to buff it enough that people will desire to have bow users in their endgame PVE groups, but they are failing at that.Edited by timidobserver on November 4, 2014 2:20AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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DisgracefulMind✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I fear that this will become the Elder Bows Online. :PUnfortunate magicka warden main.
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Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.8 -
Bushrat✭✭✭As a bow user, I have to say we NEED a buff for bows... magic builds are so much more powerful than stamina build atm.... we need some love.Character: Jannex NB Stealth Hunter15 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭fine - nerf bows....right after you give bows a way to get through reflects and perma blocking casters.10 -
Davadin✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am going to take a wild guess and say that it got buffed in an attempt to put stamina builds on par with magicka builds. Considering magicka builds are still superior in PvP, I am not sure what there is to complain about.
I got tons to complaint still....
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Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea imo the 2h changes are pretty damn lackluster. Nerf this, buff that. Nothing really changes. And the percentages of the changes are also not that moving..
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Minnesinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭You will die. I will die. Was it streak, snipe, bat swarm, oils or any usable skill. I think I have died just for falling down. Did I think all this needs nerf? No. I just thought what went wrong. It is called learning. I admit I still need to learn, but at least some of these requests for nerfs sound pretty funny.The wind is cold where I live,
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It's made playing in Cyrodiil much less enjoyable(I'm trying not to use strong language here...). Nerfing stealth damage doesn't do much when people can basically now spam lethal arrow in open combat.
Zos Devs are idiots. Who ever thought up this new cast time needs to be fired ASAP.
Swear i think they hired Ghostcrawler for the bowss.5 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I agree that 1.1 sec cast time may be a bit much, but the attack CANT be "spammed in open combat" if you use interrupts on them2 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bow feels about right now, it feels strong against those who don't wear impen but really this is PvP, if you don't have impen then tough titties.
Plenty of DK's running around looking like flappy bird on steroids reflecting arrows left right an centre, and plenty of magic users stacking shields and healing like crazy.
I see no issue with bow, just don't gallop around on your horse in Cyrodiil with no impen, it's insta death.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
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✭✭✭I do feel it needs to be pointed out -- there needs to be a drawback for wearing Light Armor.
There should be some drawback to throwing physical protection to the wind, and sometimes that involves 24 inches of arrow shaft through the gullet.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!16 -
Bipolo✭✭✭This is getting out of hand... Was at Alessia Bridge on TB (EU) and it was like playing CoD TDM, lol
And its snowballing fast, SO many in Zone/Guildchat talking about re-rolling Bow just to run around Sniping (in or out of stealth, doesn't seem to matter to people), until this eventually gets "fixed" one way or the other
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✭✭✭✭Agreed. At the moment all I can do is spam Immovable, Healing Ward and Purge, hoping I have some resources left to actually do combat against the ungodly amount of archers.
I also recognize that it's hard to judge the real impact of the bow buffs because there's just so many archers. Even pre-1.5 having this many archers would have been awful.1 -
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✭"From the thirteenth until the sixteenth century, the national weapon of the English army was the longbow. It was the weapon which conquered Wales and Scotland, gave the English their victories in the Hundred Years War, and permitted England to replace France as the foremost military power in Medieval Europe. The longbow was the machine gun of the Middle Ages: accurate, deadly, possessed of a long-range and rapid rate of fire, the flight of its missiles was liken to a storm. Cheap and simple enough for the yeoman to own and master, it made him superior to a knight on the field of battle."
http://margo.student.utwente.nl/sagi/artikel/longbow/longbow.html
Yup..sounds about right when it comes to Snipe and Bows
Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on November 5, 2014 1:42AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3365 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. Both Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.1 -
Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭On a side note, its a blessing for DK. Just get scale up 100% of the time, and you get non stop free kills 3
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✭On a side note, its a blessing for DK. Just get scale up 100% of the time, and you get non stop free kills
Saw a bit of that last night on Alessia bridge, a few archers with me up top of the bridge, they were shooting at flappy flappy DK's.
I looked around a few moments later and I was standing around little white crosses everywhere. Pretty funny.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
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whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭On a side note, its a blessing for DK. Just get scale up 100% of the time, and you get non stop free kills
Saw a bit of that last night on Alessia bridge, a few archers with me up top of the bridge, they were shooting at flappy flappy DK's.
I looked around a few moments later and I was standing around little white crosses everywhere. Pretty funny.
Yeah that was most likely Dragon Fire Scale, it's called, STOP attacking if you see Flappy Flappy and if you let one fly, then hold Block
after that count to 4 and let the arrows fly until you see the Flappy Flappy again.. Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on November 5, 2014 1:48AMSigned, Kotaro Atani.PS5 NAVR16/ CP 160 Khajiit Nightblade of the Aldmeri Dominion, Guildmaster and Assassin of the Queen's Hand guild on NA PC. PvP Officer in the WOLF guild on NA PS5, and of course Master Thief. Currently 3365 CP out of 3600 CP on NA PS5. Currently 810 CP on NA PC (used for PTS testing purposes only). On PS5 I am also a Master Crafter, all traits done and learned, Jewelry crafting done. all Motifs learned on PS5 except for maybe two-three Motifs. Both Companions are Max level as are their Skills.Warrior, Lover, Thief.... Nightblade. Aldmeri Dominion For Life! For the Queen!! Go Dominion or go home ! "I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims. The Altmer, the Bosmer and the Khajiit share the common traits of intelligence, patience and reason. We do not seek riches or plunder. Domination is not our goal, nor is the acclamation of power for its own sake. Today we make our stand. Today we take back the Ruby Throne, which is ours by ancient right and the blessings of the Divines. Stand with us." ―Your Queen Commands, Ayrenn Arana Aldmeri.(All 18 characters are AD only! This one is a AD Loyalist)Member of ESO Since January 29, 2014, started early Access 3/30/14 on PC, currently subbed on NA PS5 and on NA PC. Note- I only use PC for PTS testing purposes, the PS5 is my dedicated Game Platform.Note- for those that don't know how to say Kotaro Atani it's "Ko tar row Ah ta ni" (Ko with a Oh sound, tar which sounds like the sticky black tar stuff, row like rowing a boat, Ah with a AHHHH sound, Ta with a Tahhh sound, Neeee which sounds like knee)"The blowing sands of time wipe clean the footprints of the past...""Moonsugar may be the key to paradise, but it is through a false door...""A perfect society is always elsewhere..."- Unknown book of Khajiiti proverbs.0 -
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✭Yup, that's what I was doing. Watch the flappy flappy, wait 4 seconds and let the arrows fly.
Pity the band of legoli with me didn't do the same.
Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »I do feel it needs to be pointed out -- there needs to be a drawback for wearing Light Armor.
There should be some drawback to throwing physical protection to the wind, and sometimes that involves 24 inches of arrow shaft through the gullet.
its called focused aim, far superior to lethal arrow.0 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VileIntent wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »I do feel it needs to be pointed out -- there needs to be a drawback for wearing Light Armor.
There should be some drawback to throwing physical protection to the wind, and sometimes that involves 24 inches of arrow shaft through the gullet.
its called focused aim, far superior to lethal arrow.
Not even close, the healcut of lethal arrow makes that morph the best one for an opponent you know is going to hit his heal as a first reaction.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭VileIntent wrote: »its called focused aim, far superior to lethal arrow.
Hrm, Lethal arrow I believe was better pre 1.52 due to the 50% reduction in heals and so on, but with the weapon power increase and stupidily long range (more still if you have the dominion eagle eye set) coupled with 1.1 sec draw time, hehe it wasn't that long ago snipe and morphs were 3 seconds.
I've laid off going the morph since 1.52 spat back some skill points. Focused makes a bit more sense now with the 1.1 draw time, so in my mind the speed benefits plus the extra distance might be worth switching to focused aim now, considering the added benefit of mark target too.
What are your thoughts about focused aim instead of lethal, i'm genuinely interested? as I'm 50/50 in which direction I go with this now.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
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Gooey✭✭✭Yeah, tons of dks in my guilds are now rolling bow until it gets fixed. No point to not use something that does 1200 dmg per cast with 1.1 second cast time and also gives a healing debuff.
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Show me a video of player with bow spec in trials pre 1.5.that is why it was buffed.Tintinabula wrote: »Name a destro staff 1.2 second cast time skill that does 1200 dps..one cast.
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sagitter✭✭✭✭✭This is getting out of hand... Was at Alessia Bridge on TB (EU) and it was like playing CoD TDM, lol
And its snowballing fast, SO many in Zone/Guildchat talking about re-rolling Bow just to run around Sniping (in or out of stealth, doesn't seem to matter to people), until this eventually gets "fixed" one way or the other
good for you, scales spam ftw ^^
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