Sneak Attack Damage nerfed on PTS today

Grim13

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As a whole, we felt like the burst damage from stealthed attacks were too high, so this won't be changing even when Radiant Magelight gets fixed. But remember, these can and will still crit!

This quote really indicates how little in touch with Cyrodiil the devs are.

Atm the BIG problem is DKs being able to face 5 to 8 times their numbers and impulse groups. The ability to hurt a single target well means almost nothing on the overall battlefield balance but it did give NBs a way to mean something.

With this change and the oil change things become even worse than before.

ikr

..yet, they nerfed Night's Silence and now sneak attack damage lol

Anything else you want to take away from the stealth gameplay style, ZOS?

Ifthir_ESO

Beldorr posted that its reduced roughly 500 dmg on snipes on PTS

some of that is the PvP sneak nerf some is the other, I suspect

Gilvoth

Grim13 wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

As a whole, we felt like the burst damage from stealthed attacks were too high, so this won't be changing even when Radiant Magelight gets fixed. But remember, these can and will still crit!

This quote really indicates how little in touch with Cyrodiil the devs are.

Atm the BIG problem is DKs being able to face 5 to 8 times their numbers and impulse groups. The ability to hurt a single target well means almost nothing on the overall battlefield balance but it did give NBs a way to mean something.

With this change and the oil change things become even worse than before.

ikr

..yet, they nerfed Night's Silence and now sneak attack damage lol

Anything else you want to take away from the stealth gameplay style, ZOS?

you forgot our sneak radius was lowered and also our invisibility was broken from start and has now been broken even further. the list of things taken away is probably larger then we realize, and i believe that list will grow in time.

as we can clearly see that zenimax (if they want to) can within 1 week and a snap of thier fingers remove high damaging abilities or low damage abilities or what ever they wish with no preperation or time necessary or needed.
so when we see clearly that the dragonights and sorcerers have Many abilities that are overpowered and zenimax claims that "over time" they will slowly increase the nightblades abilites and weaken the sorcerers and dragonights
abilities we can simply look at what they said and what they are actually doing and the 2 do not compare and are not the same.
infact all we have seen is the decrease in abilities for the nightblade class and abilities and an Increase for the dragonights and sorcerers and staffs and light armor and shields ect ect ect.

Arowe_eso

this entire thread is funny to me. people still hung up on shield stacking when annulment has already been nerfed, and will be useless once the PTS goes live.

Idk why people see it as such a huge problem to slightly tone down the highest burst damage source in the game. If anything, lowering global stealth damage allows for buffing of the nightblade stealth passive to make them stand out even further from other classes in sneaky type gameplay

Itse90210

There's new WoW addon comming out at november, and only 1 thing keeps me in this game, it's possibility to insta-kill ppl with my favorite weapon - bow. If ZOS will reduced stealth dmg, they need to not allow ppl to stack any 2 shields, only 1 , with possibility to purge it from the enemy. And make block to absorb not more than 50% dmg. And nerf 1h+shield passives. In the other way this nerf to stealth is a joke.

Davadin

If we can get block only 180 degree in front instead of a full 360, that would be a good start.

Alas, this is ZOS...

500 dmg reduction?? Wow, my 2% increase on Wrecking Blow would be so awesome.......
/sarcasm

Ifthir_ESO

I think that 500 dmg reduction needs more testing, of course pvp dmg was already less than PvE.

We need to see PvP now / PvP on PTS.

Davadin

yea i tried downloading PTS last night and it was super slow...

if anyone can test stealth-from-behind hit wrecking blow in 1.5 and live, that would be nice. If you can test it on real player, that's even better.

ZeroTheCat

What I don't understand is that Soul Assault does equal or more damage over the same amount of time but that is considered fine?! You can't even block or dodge that sh-t! This nerf is just so weird...

MorHawk

ZeroTheCat wrote: »

What I don't understand is that Soul Assault does equal or more damage over the same amount of time but that is considered fine?! You can't even block or dodge that caa-caa-poo-poo! This nerf is just so weird...

An ultimate, possibly the highest single-target DPS ultimate in the game, does more damage than a weapon skill?!? MADNESS!

Cody

ZeroTheCat wrote: »

What I don't understand is that Soul Assault does equal or more damage over the same amount of time but that is considered fine?! You can't even block or dodge that sh-t! This nerf is just so weird...

soul assault can be interrupted.

tbh, if its used in a 1v1, all you have to do is roll over and bash them. its more if a problem when they have allies near.

Maulkin

MorHawk wrote: »

ZeroTheCat wrote: »

What I don't understand is that Soul Assault does equal or more damage over the same amount of time but that is considered fine?! You can't even block or dodge that caa-caa-poo-poo! This nerf is just so weird...

An ultimate, possibly the highest single-target DPS ultimate in the game, does more damage than a weapon skill?!? MADNESS!

It doesn't even do that.

The triple attack (Snipe+Light Attack+Venom Arrow) when the stealth bonus is applied to more than one attack, could do similar damage. If you were a vamp with camo hunter you would take more than 3k dmg.

Also it would do that damage in under a sec whereas soul assault takes 4 secs, so it would actually do at least 4x the DPS. And it would stun ofc, when soul assault only snares allowing you to use your skills to counter it.

But you know , doing >3k HP burst damage from 30+ meters away is ok for some people. Not being able to get guaranteed kills "destroys their playstyle" ofc.

I don't necessarily agree with the nerf across the board, but the Snipe thing was getting ridiculous. I think the nerf should have been smaller for melee attacks as the risk involved is bigger and you have to position youself much more carefully on the battlefield. Just my 2c

Ifthir_ESO

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

Maulkin

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

And I'll still keep dying after the nerf

So long as I have a chance to gtfo and don't get killed before I know what hit me, I'll be okay.

Gilvoth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

And I'll still keep dying after the nerf

So long as I have a chance to gtfo and don't get killed before I know what hit me, I'll be okay.

dude, just wear armor with impenatrable on all the pieces (or atleast 5 of the peices) and youll be fine. and you wont die.

Maulkin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

And I'll still keep dying after the nerf

So long as I have a chance to gtfo and don't get killed before I know what hit me, I'll be okay.

dude, just wear armor with impenatrable on all the pieces (or atleast 5 of the peices) and youll be fine. and you wont die.

Dude, impenetrable does nothing to stealthed hits. They always crit and have the stealth bonus applied to them.

Mojomonkeyman

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

And I'll still keep dying after the nerf

So long as I have a chance to gtfo and don't get killed before I know what hit me, I'll be okay.

dude, just wear armor with impenatrable on all the pieces (or atleast 5 of the peices) and youll be fine. and you wont die.

Try that, dude, you might wanna double-check on the sources of your information...

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Wreuntzylla

Find way to bring burst back without stealth. The current incentives for stealth make for underwhelming battles when they should be epic.

Xsorus

The counter to stealth attacks is already in the game, its called Radiant Mage Light, and you can increase it by wearing things like Construct gear (500 damage lethal arrows while not blocking for example..that's from a sneak attack)

olsborg

Cody wrote: »

not to mention all the ridiculous shield stacking that some players do, that 1500 is easily absorbed if done right. I know because it happens to me all the time.

Id just like to add that personally I dont think shieldstacking is more ridiculous then permblocking. Its 2 different ways of defending, and atleast there are more then one way, or the rest of the 10% not using sword and shield would be forced to go that way too...

MorHawk

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Hide your glass-cannons, hide your forum threads, mike.gaziotisb16_Eso dies to snipe erryday

And I'll still keep dying after the nerf

So long as I have a chance to gtfo and don't get killed before I know what hit me, I'll be okay.

dude, just wear armor with impenatrable on all the pieces (or atleast 5 of the peices) and youll be fine. and you wont die.

Oh Shortsheath. Don't ever leave the forums.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Looks like I can safely run around cyrodiil with my 2k health glass cannon build and never fear getting ganked. I don't even have to keep my shield stack up constantly anymore.

Thank you ZOS for lowering the risk/reward ratio for magic based glass cannons!

Now if you would only un-nerf streak and leave harness alone...

Ifthir_ESO

Shield stack + Block > all in this game

Arowe_eso

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Shield stack + Block > all in this game

blocking with a damage shield up is a waste of stam. anyone who does this is silly

Gilvoth

is it cheating?
in my belief it is indeed cheating but somehow zenimax has niether said anything about it nor stoped it in over 2 months, so apparently it must not be cheating or they would have atleast told us it is cheating.
so by that token i must ask:
how do we shield stack? like when you see people with massive purple shield on thier health bar above thier name and you cannot kill them.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

is it cheating?

I see this question come up a lot in these forums so I have created an handy chart to help.

Here is an easy way to determine if a PvP strategy is cheating or not.

tagigan

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Long overdo, no one needs one shot instakills

Level 8 NB. I have never been able to one shot kill anyone. Including level 40 pvp's.
But I'd like too!

tagigan

tagigan wrote: »

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Long overdo, no one needs one shot instakills

Level 8 NB. I have never been able to one shot kill anyone. Including level 40 pvp's.
But I'd like too!

Sorry that's a V8 NB

Davadin

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Shield stack + Block > all in this game

I'll never drink that Kool-Aid.

NEVER.

Damn you ZOS for allowing skills execution during block AND 360 degree blocking.

Uber_Lord

I thought the point of NB assassin is ambushing single unsuspecting enemy and stealthily killing him. Or are we supposed to fight hordes in the open and be worse than other classes? If thats the case I don't see any point playing as NB. ZOS, you might aswell stop messing around and remove NB class. That would be a great nerf lol
The best thing ZOS could have done to this game, would have been leaving magic schools like in other TES games without any classes (Destruction, Restoration, Conjuration, Illiusion etc.)