Nightblade's Stealth - Completely Broken? Possibly resolved?

Most_Awesome

In Cyrodiil stealth seems to be fine for me, whats killing me is "Dark Cloak" when Im trying to run away from 4+ people I keep getting knocked out of it.

Now the way I think the skill works is that when I cast it (lasts 2.9 seconds) no one should be able to target me, so when I chain it and cast it every 2 seconds I should be safe until my magica runs out, unless Im hit by aoe.
But what Im seeing ingame is that when running away im getting knocked out by single target attacks like bow light attacks, swallow soul, Shield charge, etc and this is when im casting it every 2 seconds useing the .9 seconds I have left of the skill as a latency/lag buffer. By doing this I should be able to sneak away as long as I have enough magica to keep using it, but for some reason Im getting knocked out of it after a second or so and that's when Im getting hit by the above skills and even when I spam it I still get knocked out as soon as I cast it again and then die.

I under stand the way Mage Light detects people in "crouched" stealth but if they can still see NB when in Cloak form then that to me makes the NB totally broken and not worth playing.

Shader_Shibes

Yeah it's totally borked. Last night i had a couple of sorcerors hunting me down and while i was cloaked i got nuked by one. However i can handle it, as i just love the gank style of my nb, and i can still get away if i'm a certain distance from an enemy.

morvegil wrote: »

So any fix on the "I cant stealth for 20 seconds for no reason"? I seriously had to HIDE behind a tree and keep popping in and out of stealth for it to work. ONe time when this happens I stayed crouched for FIVE minutes..then toggled and it worked.


Its getting annoying. Sometimes i can fire a shot or retreat from a battle and i can stealth fine. Other times? Im stuck where i cant stealth.

Sucks being a NB in this game.

Sometimes longer than 20 seconds in my experience, it's really annoying to have to go hide behind a tree or something and wait it out, and hope no one spots you.

However i will stay with my nb because he is my only toon which i still enjoy playing, regardless of his bugs.

Greatfellow

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Dunno, but I seem to be beyond the point of peevedness and find this fiasco strangely amusing.

Yeah, as my canceled sub runs down to the last week and I've accepted that I'm really going to let it go, I'm much less frustrated/angry. I'm just really disappointed. This could be such a good game. I'm actually shaking my head slowly in disappointment as I type this.

Greatfellow

rlbolab14a_ESO wrote: »

I haven't played my NB since the 1.4 patch because of the sneak speed bug. Last night I got around to playing for a bit and although that's fixed, stealth sucks now. Before the patch, when I inv. the mob would just stand there or turn around but would stop attacking. Now I inv. and the mob continues to track me and attack me. I inv and normally run around behind them and attack again but not they are tracking you, they turn to keep facing you and attack you while your inv. This really sucks, all that magicka for what?

Yeah, Stealth...isn't. To my way of thinking you should be able to sneak around in a dungeon with its close walls and be able to sneak by stuff in the dark carefully without needing to be 5 or 10 meters from the critter you're sneaking by. That's just not the case anymore. It is so weakened that it's not practical or fun to play.

As a nighblade pre-patch I didn't mind dying: I at least had a shot at victory based on my skillset. Now I get detected when I shouldn't, I mean detected like I wasn't stealthed at all, the nonsense with critters turning around when I sneak up on them, what the heck is that, eh?

zhevon

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Kastle.Bb14_ESO

this is especially bad for boss fights. I was doing a main story quest and during a boss fight with lyris we are fighting the boss and I step away to try and regain some health, the boss is ignoring me and fighting lyris but then turns its attention to me, so I activate shadowy disguise, but it doesn't do anything. the boss runs right up like it can see me and starts melee attacking. He wasn't in the middle of casting, just ran up and meleed. ridiculous

Greatfellow

zhevon wrote: »

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Man, I Stealthed so many dungeons before The Patch...

I'd have to fight occasionally, sure,

But a lot of times all I had to do was
--be very careful and very patient,
--observe the baddies' pattern of movement and timing of movement
--incorporate Invisible potions into the Stealthing when necessary
--tentatively test possible routes, being careful to back up quickly if a baddy's Suspicion grew too high
--combine all those things into a dance that moved me to the next safe area.

It was brilliantly fun, actually, and the challenge was the reason I loved Stealth.

deadlock007

Greatfellow wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Man, I Stealthed so many dungeons before The Patch...

I'd have to fight occasionally, sure,

But a lot of times all I had to do was
--be very careful and very patient,
--observe the baddies' pattern of movement and timing of movement
--incorporate Invisible potions into the Stealthing when necessary
--tentatively test possible routes, being careful to back up quickly if a baddy's Suspicion grew too high
--combine all those things into a dance that moved me to the next safe area.

It was brilliantly fun, actually, and the challenge was the reason I loved Stealth.

^This. Very much this.

Rune_Relic

deadlock007 wrote: »

Greatfellow wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Man, I Stealthed so many dungeons before The Patch...

I'd have to fight occasionally, sure,

But a lot of times all I had to do was
--be very careful and very patient,
--observe the baddies' pattern of movement and timing of movement
--incorporate Invisible potions into the Stealthing when necessary
--tentatively test possible routes, being careful to back up quickly if a baddy's Suspicion grew too high
--combine all those things into a dance that moved me to the next safe area.

It was brilliantly fun, actually, and the challenge was the reason I loved Stealth.

^This. Very much this.

Question...health/stamina/magicka stats ?
17/32/0 for me and my sneak range isnt bad.
[my health and stamina is = without buffs]
I can sneak past all and any guards in most dungeons unless its a corridor.

Greatfellow

Rune_Relic wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

Greatfellow wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Man, I Stealthed so many dungeons before The Patch...

I'd have to fight occasionally, sure,

But a lot of times all I had to do was
--be very careful and very patient,
--observe the baddies' pattern of movement and timing of movement
--incorporate Invisible potions into the Stealthing when necessary
--tentatively test possible routes, being careful to back up quickly if a baddy's Suspicion grew too high
--combine all those things into a dance that moved me to the next safe area.

It was brilliantly fun, actually, and the challenge was the reason I loved Stealth.

^This. Very much this.

Question...health/stamina/magicka stats ?
17/32/0 for me and my sneak range isnt bad.
[my health and stamina is = without buffs]
I can sneak past all and any guards in most dungeons unless its a corridor.

I'm not at my game computer right now, but I think my
--Attributes are Health 17, Stam 17, Magicka 15.
--Bosmer NB is a 2H/DW build, who bumps his Health up with gear and food, bumps magicka with gear, heals partially with potion-augmenting jewelry.
--Hits really hard and fast. Opens with a Battle-Axe from stealth when possible, goes to dual daggers, uses cloak for re-situating (it's good to have the magicka I have solely for that, and I augment the recovery rate of it too).

And I really love sneaking by baddies!

Rune_Relic

Greatfellow wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

Greatfellow wrote: »

zhevon wrote: »

The dungeons were specifically designed to make stealth totally useless; even during pre-1.4 stealth you could not sneak through the hallways of dungeons. If you magically somehow got by one group you would agro the second group and it was a disaster because of the broken agro mechanic. The dungeons were designed so you cannot sneak around the mobs in most places.

Now I am not sure concealed blade is useful at all; most mobs move around far to much now. I have given up and just do ambushes.

Man, I Stealthed so many dungeons before The Patch...

I'd have to fight occasionally, sure,

But a lot of times all I had to do was
--be very careful and very patient,
--observe the baddies' pattern of movement and timing of movement
--incorporate Invisible potions into the Stealthing when necessary
--tentatively test possible routes, being careful to back up quickly if a baddy's Suspicion grew too high
--combine all those things into a dance that moved me to the next safe area.

It was brilliantly fun, actually, and the challenge was the reason I loved Stealth.

^This. Very much this.

Question...health/stamina/magicka stats ?
17/32/0 for me and my sneak range isnt bad.
[my health and stamina is = without buffs]
I can sneak past all and any guards in most dungeons unless its a corridor.

I'm not at my game computer right now, but I think my
--Attributes are Health 17, Stam 17, Magicka 15.
--Bosmer NB is a 2H/DW build, who bumps his Health up with gear and food, bumps magicka with gear, heals partially with potion-augmenting jewelry.
--Hits really hard and fast. Opens with a Battle-Axe from stealth when possible, goes to dual daggers, uses cloak for re-situating (it's good to have the magicka I have solely for that, and I augment the recovery rate of it too).

And I really love sneaking by baddies!

yes I normally run health/stamina armour and regen for the rings/necklace. But my main point was replying to the other guy to see how much stamina affects sneak radius.

GrimMauKin

After the initial destruction of Stealth with the version 4 update Zenimax were at least open about the issue, actively doing something to solve it and keeping us in the loop. Since the 'fixes' haven't seemed to work properly they seem to be saying nothing; is anyone actively looking at the issues with stealth or are we being expecting to like it or lump it?

For reference I still have no stealth speed increase for slotted Concealed Weapon either.

raglau

GrimMauKin wrote: »

After the initial destruction of Stealth with the version 4 update Zenimax were at least open about the issue, actively doing something to solve it and keeping us in the loop. Since the 'fixes' haven't seemed to work properly they seem to be saying nothing; is anyone actively looking at the issues with stealth or are we being expecting to like it of lump it?

For reference I still have no stealth speed increase for slotted Concealed Weapon either.

I have given up on hearing from them again on this matter in the forum. All we can do is consistently raise tickets to alert them to the issues. If they can't be bothered to fix stealth they at least should give NB a free respec so we can escape the mess they have made.

If it's not sorted by the time my 6 month sub is up I shall indeed slip away.

Their customer service is shocking and I don't intend to reward them for it month upon month.

bunnytrix

Pibbles wrote: »

GrimMauKin wrote: »

After the initial destruction of Stealth with the version 4 update Zenimax were at least open about the issue, actively doing something to solve it and keeping us in the loop. Since the 'fixes' haven't seemed to work properly they seem to be saying nothing; is anyone actively looking at the issues with stealth or are we being expecting to like it of lump it?

For reference I still have no stealth speed increase for slotted Concealed Weapon either.

I have given up on hearing from them again on this matter in the forum. All we can do is consistently raise tickets to alert them to the issues. If they can't be bothered to fix stealth they at least should give NB a free respec so we can escape the mess they have made.

If it's not sorted by the time my 6 month sub is up I shall indeed slip away.

Their customer service is shocking and I don't intend to reward them for it month upon month.

This has been the game breaker for me. Not so much even the broken stealth and broken Shadow Cloak but the lack of an honest response from Zeni on this. We all know normal crouch stealth was broken/changed in 1.4. but they just refuse to admit it/communicate with us about it.
Shadow Cloak has always been broken but it seems to me at the moment to be worse than it has ever been..just does not work. Again, no honest response from Zeni on this.
What with the still rampant lag/FPS issues in Cyrodiil, (and not even just there but in any populated hub), the unresponsiveness of weapon swapping, and the pressing a button and the ability just does not fire off thing, I've cancelled my payment. Not giving this company any more cash. They got such a lack of respect for their customers it's a joke. I genuinely love this game and hope they will fix all the glaring gameplay issues before concentrating on more cosmetic crap . I may come back then.

Nazon_Katts

http://youtu.be/U9c_KttvQPU

Bouvin

I've been having mobs attack me well after using Shadow Cloaks. They will literally follow you after going invisible, THEN attack you and knock you out of stealth.

I really hope this isn't WAI.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

At the ESO guild summit day 2 they are looking into Shadow Cloak and it's morph's, so hopefully we can get a real hard fix on the troubles..

"Shadow Cloak – QA has been hard at work to identify the affects of using every single ability in the game with/against a character who is cloaked, so they are aware of all the issues and will be working on resolving them for future updates."

tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit-day2/

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

something I did notice last night is that my Nightshade set has changed from 2.5 meters to 2 meters sneak detection Reduction, and I am using Legendary set pieces (except for the VR10 green Necklace)

I know this has been changed since the pics show greater amount than 2 meters at the elderscrollsonline.wiki site, set in question, http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Nightshade+Set

so another Item set nerf to a stealth set

bunnytrix

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

something I did notice last night is that my Nightshade set has changed from 2.5 meters to 2 meters sneak detection Reduction, and I am using Legendary set pieces (except for the VR10 green Necklace)

I know this has been changed since the pics show greater amount than 2 meters at the elderscrollsonline.wiki site, set in question, http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Nightshade+Set

so another Item set nerf to a stealth set

This is what this company does constantly, makes changes to abilities/sets/functions etc without putting it in the patch notes or communicating the changes to the players. I guess they hope that we don't notice them.
And then later tell us this was how it was supposed to work. This is what they have done with stealth since 1.4.

pmn100b16_ESO

morvegil wrote: »

So any fix on the "I cant stealth for 20 seconds for no reason"? I seriously had to HIDE behind a tree and keep popping in and out of stealth for it to work. ONe time when this happens I stayed crouched for FIVE minutes..then toggled and it worked.


Its getting annoying. Sometimes i can fire a shot or retreat from a battle and i can stealth fine. Other times? Im stuck where i cant stealth.

Sucks being a NB in this game.

So this only happens to nightblades? I only play my NB so don't know but assumed it happened to all classes once in a while. If its just NBs, that sucks. I'm often stuck in combat and can't stealth for well over a minute. I have to cloak quite a distance away from where I was to get stealth working again. For whatever reason, even when the fight is done and nothing is aggroed, I'm stuck in combat and can't stealth up.

tagigan

I put in a report about stealth problems through support and was contacted in-game and sent a link to this forum page. I was led to believe that this is where I would find assistance to my problem. All I have found is many , way to many people suffering the same problems. No solutions are evident, no input from game dev's re-what is happening, if anything to remedy the problems, it appears to me to be a Nightblade only problem. (Maybe it's a problem with other classes that affects nightblades?) No comments from Dev's doesn't mean in-action or don't care, but it does foster dissatisfaction and ill-will. I paid top dollar for this game when it came out, I have paid subscription fee's since may, At no time was I informed that this was a game in beta or development. Maybe all affected Nightblade characters should put in bug reports through support rather than this forum. Once support gets flooded with complaints it will affect all players and they will have to action the problems or remove Nightblade as a class choice and let everyone move on.

Allicus

Something else seems to have been changed with stealth recently. Twice last night I was attacked by a melee attack whilst in stealth. The first time I wasn't sure and thought I might have been mistaken and out of stealth, but the second time I was definitely in stealth. I see a DK in front of me and then see him charging, I thought I can't possibly be the target as I'm stealthed, then BAM I'm run over. The other thing I am noticing now from time to time is shadowy figures on the battlefield, a sort of blacked out silhouette who are clearly sneaking and wonder if this is to do with it.

Shader_Shibes

Allicus wrote: »

The other thing I am noticing now from time to time is shadowy figures on the battlefield, a sort of blacked out silhouette who are clearly sneaking and wonder if this is to do with it.

Yeah, i've noticed that too. Like a dark, transparent silhouette.

Rune_Relic

So you think they are experimenting with stealth on the live server ?
These ninja changes are actually the effect we see ?

raglau

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So you think they are experimenting with stealth on the live server ?

Surely that is too bonkers even for ZoS?

GwaynLoki

Allicus wrote: »

Something else seems to have been changed with stealth recently. Twice last night I was attacked by a melee attack whilst in stealth. The first time I wasn't sure and thought I might have been mistaken and out of stealth, but the second time I was definitely in stealth. I see a DK in front of me and then see him charging, I thought I can't possibly be the target as I'm stealthed, then BAM I'm run over. The other thing I am noticing now from time to time is shadowy figures on the battlefield, a sort of blacked out silhouette who are clearly sneaking and wonder if this is to do with it.

Detection potions. I have seen them work even on invisible NBs.

Rune_Relic

Pibbles wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

So you think they are experimenting with stealth on the live server ?

Surely that is too bonkers even for ZoS?

Evidntly they are gathering exp data for the champions systems.
[a few people have noted their exp levels doing strange random things]
What else are they examining ?
We know from the summit they are examining sneak.stealth at this moment.

We also know ninja patches are going out all the time. Maybe not as bonkers as you think lol

bunnytrix

This thread has been buried..even though stealth is still broken.

Do you think the change in stealth is their first attempts at changing the way stealth works to prepare for the justice system ? And if so..why not tell us ?

Nazon_Katts

Think people just gave up and don't care anymore.

Igawotch

Allicus wrote: »

Something else seems to have been changed with stealth recently. Twice last night I was attacked by a melee attack whilst in stealth. The first time I wasn't sure and thought I might have been mistaken and out of stealth, but the second time I was definitely in stealth. I see a DK in front of me and then see him charging, I thought I can't possibly be the target as I'm stealthed, then BAM I'm run over. The other thing I am noticing now from time to time is shadowy figures on the battlefield, a sort of blacked out silhouette who are clearly sneaking and wonder if this is to do with it.

Ive been getting hit while hidden with Dark cloak IV even though i was hidden the whole time before anyone started attacking me then some random player starts hitting me and breaks my stealth i recast and often get hit again.