Templars Unite! Week 1

TehMagnus

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

I have one answer for your tldr block of text:

Hybrid Templar High DPS Build

Clearly once again a L2P issue.

Oh and btw, it's normal at some point that you can't hope to achieve the same DPS with a templar than with a DK or a NB, just as you can't expect to be able to pull the same amount of heals with anything but a templar.

Should ZOS also buff other classes and give them skills so we can also be as good @ healing as templars because when I try to join a High level Trial as a healer I get laughed at and I think it's unfair.

If you wanted to play as high DPS, what in the world made you think that templar was the way to go????

that is comming its called spellcrafting...
problem is spellcrafting will not bring dps abilitiys that will bring up templar dps on par with other classes as that would give the other classes even more dps thx to the hughe dps gap currently existing.

Funny how you speak about a system we hardly know anything about.

Templars = heal and tank in end game content. End of story.

As for the # of healer templars needed in raid, you at least need one nowadays, and in Serpent trial it's more like 3...

lathbury

Rodario wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Jesus wept sorcs dps sucks compared to Templars. All this whining for the sake of it no one has even asked if I'm trolling. That tells me none of the Templars are here to actually learn how to dd or tank and are instead here to whine that they didn't get picked to heal in a trial.

Ok, I'll bite. Were you trolling?

My Templar is only at VR4 right now, so hasn't participated in any trials yet. In vet dungeons, she's a pretty solid tank and I figured that would be her role in all PvE group content, mostly because I don't like healing and her "DD" spec is heavy armor 2h. That's the way I enjoy playing (questing) the most, knowing it does not provide nearly enough dps to do dungeons as a DD.

So, what would be the best DD build for a templar? Let me guess, it involves light armor and a destro/heal staff. If so, that's just not enjoyable to me. I want my Templar to be a proper knight and also look the part. It may mean she's gimped for dps that way, and that's too bad, but if I force myself to equip a dress and stick, I won't enjoy the game anymore.

The build that Magnus listed basically a few tweaks here and there but yeah that. If you don't want to wear a frock don't do dps in trials with the current meta. The best stamina build I've seen is a nb bow user and he gets about 1000 dps. Bearing in mind nb have a lot of weapon crit and stamina passives so other classes will be worse off with stam.
So you see Templars can get really respectable dps about twice what you need for trials. However like the rest of is it's frocks and stick.

lathbury

templars struggle with dps you say

TehMagnus

lathbury wrote: »

templars struggle with dps you say

But that would imply for them learning how to play and not "playing as they want with their [snip] builds". No no no

Redlag

Don't be condescending when it takes a dress and two staves. Although anyone who wants to be successful in this game knows it and accepts it. Its still all generic.

lathbury

Redlag wrote: »

Don't be condescending when it takes a dress and two staves. Although anyone who wants to be successful in this game knows it and accepts it. Its still all generic.

so really templar dps is in the same boat as all the other classes then well done. we have established then that they can heal better and tank better then most classes and dps as well as the others.
wonder if dk's sorcs or NB can do all 3 as well?

G0ku

Would someone mind to share a link to a templar build that does 1400 dps? The amount of gold and tempers I used to get somewhat viable is enourmous. Yet I cant manage to get over 600-800 dps.

It´s my first MMO ever played though, so I really would be grateful for a complete build which is doing 1400 dps. At the moment I just can´t believe it. Sure my FTC shows sometimes about 2200 dps, but that is on groups and not on bosses including my bat swarm.

@lathbury

Again, I would highly appreciate if you could send me a link, you can also use PM.

I managed to tank AA quite good, healing doesnt appeal to me somehow. I took a templar because all the websites called them the most versatile class before the game came out. If I knew before what to come I would have rolled a DK, but doing all leveling again, no thanks.

Redlag

G0ku wrote: »

Would someone mind to share a link to a templar build that does 1400 dps? The amount of gold and tempers I used to get somewhat viable is enourmous. Yet I cant manage to get over 600-800 dps.

It´s my first MMO ever played though, so I really would be grateful for a complete build which is doing 1400 dps. At the moment I just can´t believe it. Sure my FTC shows sometimes about 2200 dps, but that is on groups and not on bosses including my bat swarm.

Again, I would highly appreciate if you could send me a link, you can also use PM.

I managed to tank AA quite good, healing doesnt appeal to me somehow. I took a templar because all the websites called them the most versatile class before the game came out. If I knew before what to come I would have rolled a DK, but doing all leveling again, no thanks.

It's a secret. Because they're full of ... Aye just heal people okay.

lathbury

Redlag wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

Would someone mind to share a link to a templar build that does 1400 dps? The amount of gold and tempers I used to get somewhat viable is enourmous. Yet I cant manage to get over 600-800 dps.

It´s my first MMO ever played though, so I really would be grateful for a complete build which is doing 1400 dps. At the moment I just can´t believe it. Sure my FTC shows sometimes about 2200 dps, but that is on groups and not on bosses including my bat swarm.

Again, I would highly appreciate if you could send me a link, you can also use PM.

I managed to tank AA quite good, healing doesnt appeal to me somehow. I took a templar because all the websites called them the most versatile class before the game came out. If I knew before what to come I would have rolled a DK, but doing all leveling again, no thanks.

It's a secret. Because they're full of ... Aye just heal people okay.

apart from the link earlier that magnus put up and the screen shot of my guildy doing good dps
as i said i would be happy with 8 templars on my runs.

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TehMagnus

Redlag wrote: »

Don't be condescending when it takes a dress and two staves. Although anyone who wants to be successful in this game knows it and accepts it. Its still all generic.

You don't even know what you're talking about, Templar builds who pull 1,4K dps use 2H sword.

Sad little person.

Redlag

lathbury wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

Would someone mind to share a link to a templar build that does 1400 dps? The amount of gold and tempers I used to get somewhat viable is enourmous. Yet I cant manage to get over 600-800 dps.

It´s my first MMO ever played though, so I really would be grateful for a complete build which is doing 1400 dps. At the moment I just can´t believe it. Sure my FTC shows sometimes about 2200 dps, but that is on groups and not on bosses including my bat swarm.

Again, I would highly appreciate if you could send me a link, you can also use PM.

I managed to tank AA quite good, healing doesnt appeal to me somehow. I took a templar because all the websites called them the most versatile class before the game came out. If I knew before what to come I would have rolled a DK, but doing all leveling again, no thanks.

It's a secret. Because they're full of ... Aye just heal people okay.

apart from the link earlier that magnus put up and the screen shot of my guildy doing good dps yeah sure keep QQ ing and spreading misinformation
as i said i would be happy with 8 templars on my runs.

Im not crying about anything I don't even care. I have one of each class. Your guildy that guy.,. you didn't do anything. You're telling people on what YOU believe and haven't tried.. RIGHT? You said it yourself?? Your guildy. NOT YOU.. You haven't done this. You haven't seen it yourself aside from screenshots, right>? So ok...

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Redlag

magnusnet wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

Don't be condescending when it takes a dress and two staves. Although anyone who wants to be successful in this game knows it and accepts it. Its still all generic.

You don't even know what you're talking about, Templar builds who pull 1,4K dps use 2H sword.

Sad little person.

Im happy.. I could care less. If theyre running 2 handers their gimpled in every strong point that the class gives. Aside from what you're claiming in trials. The ultimate two hander gimp snip stamina build that guess what... cough.. sucks snip anywhere else.

So be it.

You heard it here first. From these wizards above. These bad arse genius gurus of ESO. You can be soilid in every aspect and suck in trials.. Or you can stamina build 2handers and eat complete turd on the rest of earth. They know.. And you don't.. The End. we should listen... Seriously. These kids are awesome.. I said that with some serious voice animation... It was tough like kung fu.

lathbury

I came here to say look guys templars aren't in a bad way you can do any job well in trials. so if a raid leader says you cant they don't know as much as they think.
I reckon Magnus thought the same thing. Unfortunately for us and the templars looking for build ideas you have thrown a massive hissy fit.
Judging by your amazing lack of knowledge of your chosen class. inability to back up any of your claims like the fabled 2k plus trial boss dps.
You are the exact type of person people shouldn't listen to for build ideas.
you do however have an amazing capacity for denial/self delusion. The screen shots and builds that have been listed illustrate clearly what we have been saying. The only reason I can think of that you are still trying to argue your point is that A.regardless of the facts you would argue black was white if it meant not having to admit to being wrong
B. you are just out for more buffs to a class thats doing good already
C. you have serious comprehension issues
D. are paranoid to the extent that you think we are all photoshopping and making phoney builds to keep the poor templar down.

which ever it it is enjoy healing while templars willing to roll with the meta do whatever they role they choose in trials. Well as for seeing screenshots not really he posted them from FTC during the raid along with the rest of us. So I asked him to screenshot it to add to a guild forum post to help templars in our guild that fancied making a dps spec.

lathbury

^^ oh no!! we have a bad *** he watches *** and swears whatever will we do?
bore off lol commenting on my presentation of the facts:-
A. doesn't change the facts
B. makes you look like more of a mug given your last few posts and the state of them.

lathbury

Redlag wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

Redlag wrote: »

Don't be condescending when it takes a dress and two staves. Although anyone who wants to be successful in this game knows it and accepts it. Its still all generic.

You don't even know what you're talking about, Templar builds who pull 1,4K dps use 2H sword.

Sad little person.

. You can be soilid in every aspect and suck in trials.. Or you can stamina build 2handers and eat complete turd on the rest of earth.... It was tough like kung fu.

Yeah I see your point about my writing.

Redlag

lathbury wrote: »

^^ oh no!! we have a bad *** he watches *** and swears whatever will we do?
bore off lol commenting on my presentation of the facts:-
A. doesn't change the facts
B. makes you look like more of a mug given your last few posts and the state of them.

No one knows what you're going on about dude. you think everyone is on the same page as you and you're just gone... Lost... I hope you pick up that skill or wisdom as you cary on, to understand other people... I don't think you will though.. Not for a long time.. snip

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lathbury

This from the guy with L2P issues.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

lathbury

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bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

The templar skills and passives help a lot check out the most damaging skills in the screen shot. DK dd's are usually running with the fire mage build but in fairness i havent seen them run a 2h build.

Tankqull

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

dk with the same build do more dps. as their abilities are cheaper and do slightly more dmg(because of beeing close range abilities) and on top of that have their standart if someone else can provide war horn.

Unmai

@Redlag and @crislevin thanks for your words. I've looked over my build and some build suggestions I believe my issue is I don;t have enough points in mana to utilise the attacks efficiently.

cuz_mike200

Solar Barrage should be a larger radius, that way there is more DPS and larger AoE. Seriously Templar builds are overpowered if you use the right weapons, armor and abilities along with passives. Templar can be one of the strongest classes but others think not. It just can be one of the hardest classes to make a great DPS compared to the other classes.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

lathbury wrote: »

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bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

The templar skills and passives help a lot check out the most damaging skills in the screen shot. DK dd's are usually running with the fire mage build but in fairness i havent seen them run a 2h build.

yes templar has the balancend warrior passive, but further nothing immediatly comes to mind, should have a closer look to both classes passives
I think with engulfing flames and unstable flame instead of vamp bane and blaz spear (maybe ing weapons, but that could also come from someone else in the group, lets say GDB instead of Radiant aura for stam management, although it has to be activated and s quite costly only for stam regen purpose)

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

dk with the same build do more dps. as their abilities are cheaper and do slightly more dmg(because of beeing close range abilities) and on top of that have their standart if someone else can provide war horn.

yes and standard ofc
dont even have warhorn yet on either DK or Templar

lathbury

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

dk with the same build do more dps. as their abilities are cheaper and do slightly more dmg(because of beeing close range abilities) and on top of that have their standart if someone else can provide war horn.

I'll take your word for it thanks might suggest a few of our dk's testing that. Still does not take away from templars being viable dps all classes can put numbers of over 1k which is more than enough for trials atm.

TehMagnus

I'm having SO MUCH FUN with the "Flag" button today . Good day, good day indeed.

Btw @Redlag‌, I leveled up till VR12 with 2H stamina build (before VR areas got nerfed) and my build was so bad that I only pulled 400 dps on trial bosses.

Not only am I pretty sure that the stamina build I posted is viable in dungeons and solo play, but also nothing stops anyone from having two different builds. I have 2 completely different sets of armor, weapons & skillpoints for PVP & PVE.

So you're really really just full of it.

TehMagnus

lathbury wrote: »

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

btw about the posted build, since it only uses a couple Templar skills, rest are 2H, or guild skills and such, couldn't say a DK do even more with that build?

dk with the same build do more dps. as their abilities are cheaper and do slightly more dmg(because of beeing close range abilities) and on top of that have their standart if someone else can provide war horn.

I'll take your word for it thanks might suggest a few of our dk's testing that. Still does not take away from templars being viable dps all classes can put numbers of over 1k which is more than enough for trials atm.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/dk-2hnd-trial-dps-build/

Saw a DK pull 1300 dps on first boss of AA with that build (give or take) on first try. Problem with that build is 3rd boss of AA since you need to move to the other bosses & loose a lot of DPS. Still pretty viable and can prolly pull more DPS with more experience & some tweaking. If you search the Theorycrafting forums, there's also a guide from "Dominatrix" that looks promising, was thinking about trying it on PTS tonight.

Aeratus

Lizelle wrote: »

Also 1400 is not that good... 2k is good, 1400 is marginal and he wasn't doing that the entire time. It was the most he could do... if you were to look at the numbers the DKs or Sorcs were doing in that same raid I'll bet you it was a lot more than the Melee DPS Templar...

DPS numbers are all highly variable. If OP is talking about PUG trial groups, these groups don't have war horn, don't have spirit siphon, and half of the time don't have combat prayer. Some PUG healers don't even use healing springs until the group takes visible damage. DPS also changes widely depending on the length of time. As shown in the pic posted earlier, the 1.4k dps for Templar was over 12.4 seconds, which is not a true sustain period. In non-ideal long sustain situations, the 2k could only be 1.3k, and the 1.4k might only be 900 or so. So in PUGs, the expectations are different, and OP might be having trouble getting a group as a dps if he's not part of an organized one already.

MeowGinger

lathbury wrote: »

Templars can get 1400 sustained single target dps as well.

What's the build?

Are buffs from other players involved?

With PvP buffs outside of Cyrodiil, ~60% crit chance, light armor + all passives, magicka softcapped, magicka recovery softcapped, reduced spell cost, and 102 spell damage, I cap out at 700 single target using staves. If a fight is less than 2 seconds with animation cancelling, I can artificially increase it to 800 dps. Sustained dps is only 300, or 400 if I animation cancel, equip warlock, and spam my rotation as fast as possible while using magicka potions (with spell crit). I can further optimize my build by switching out a couple of abilities for their morphs, but that would maybe grant me an extra 50-100 dps if I were lucky (and could tolerate a 1.3 second cast time mid-battle).

I see a couple of people mentioning a magical templar build that can do 1400 dps, but I haven't found any evidence of it actually existing.

TehMagnus

Aeratus wrote: »

Lizelle wrote: »

Also 1400 is not that good... 2k is good, 1400 is marginal and he wasn't doing that the entire time. It was the most he could do... if you were to look at the numbers the DKs or Sorcs were doing in that same raid I'll bet you it was a lot more than the Melee DPS Templar...

DPS numbers are all highly variable. If OP is talking about PUG trial groups, these groups don't have war horn, don't have spirit siphon, and half of the time don't have combat prayer. Some PUG healers don't even use healing springs until the group takes visible damage. DPS also changes widely depending on the length of time. As shown in the pic posted earlier, the 1.4k dps for Templar was over 12.4 seconds, which is not a true sustain period. In non-ideal long sustain situations, the 2k could only be 1.3k, and the 1.4k might only be 900 or so. So in PUGs, the expectations are different, and OP might be having trouble getting a group as a dps if he's not part of an organized one already.

You shouldn't even bother answering this, it's obviously a troll.

"1400 is not that good, 2K is good."

Only people I've seen pull 2K are some NBs on some rare occasions on 1rst AA boss and I suppose people that exploited also had 2k dps . I can usually pull 1,6-1,7k dps on Storm Atronach and 1,8-1,9 on some rare runs with the right group + with combat prayer, war horn etc etc. 2k is still pretty rare...

When you look at most pugs who actually struggle to do more than 800-900 dps, 1,4k is pretty good.

Even if I agree the build does have limitations, it's still totally acceptable when your aim is to do a normal run.

Braidas

I love how Templars feel like such a close community my brethren