PTS Patch Notes v1.3.1

timidobserver

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Iam_Epiphany wrote: »

@timidobserver I'm not surprised to hear you play templar seeing as you actually defend this change. A friend of mine actually does have a video of a templar spamming blazing shield+restostaff heavy attacks killing players with recoil and oil in a 6-8 vs 1. It only ended when I showed up and started dropping oil on the guy myself, while everyone else was hitting him too...it still took several minutes. He scored over 10 kills while I was there alone.

This was on the live server with the magicka regen debuff.

The best answer would be to nerf dark cloak and reflective scales in the same way that bolt escape was nerfed.
At the very most, Blazing Shields debuff should be changed to be in line with bolt escape, preventing in some fashion the ability being spammed over and over.

However, removing the debuff from Blazing Shield would just create a second reflective scales, which is a move in the wrong direction...unless you're going to remove the debuff from bolt escape and fix dark cloak's bugs without debuffing it.

If you had such a video you would be linking it all over the place yelling and screaming. However, don't bother because it wouldn't make any difference. Evidence that the class is overperforming goes beyond what 1 person in a video has figured out how to do. If we base balancing on oneshot "look what I can do" videos, everybody needs to be nerfed. I won't say they don't exist, but I certainly haven't seen numerous videos showing Templar 1v8ing competant players while standing in oil.

Evidence that Templar is overperforming refers a videos, opinion data, and in-game data, and anything else to demonstrate that we are overperforming to the point that a few tickets of Magicka would break the game. For example:
-From PVE perspective, competitive trials groups pretty much shun Templars from DPS spots.
-From the PVP perspective, on the most populated server, Templar are actually underperforming badly in leaderboard rankings. On the second most populated sever, they are more or less even.
-From the public opinion perspective,
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/109564/which-class-is-the-most-underpowered
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/109562/which-class-is-the-most-overpowered
-From the dev perspective, "We are looking at the damage output of Templars. There are some lines like Dawn’s Wrath that will be adjusted to increase their viability."~~~http://dulfy.net/2014/07/12/eso-paul-sage-the-road-ahead-qa-transcript/

A.) Templar PvE dps has close to nothing to do with blazing shield.

B.) PvP leaderboard rankings don't accurately represent a players performance in any given battle?

Basically what I'm saying is Tim's post is talking about blazing shield, not necessarily templars as a whole. Try to keep comments fully pertinent to the posters focus of posting, please. Otherwise we get discussions that don't get resolved and only get exacerbate. ^.^

Sure PVE matters. This change will make Sun Shield more viable to use in PVE. Also, the first point is the only one that refers solely to PVE and the idea was to cover all angles.

We aren't overperforming in the leaderboards, the majority of players don't think we are OP, and Devs think our damage of lacking. Sure, leaderboards, polls, and dev quotes are debatable. However, it is better than an alluded to video that wasn't produced or anything that anyone has produced in favor of the alternative.

I've yet to see any information demonstrating that Templar are over performing in any area of the game. Well there is that alluded to video of a Templar beating 8 players while standing in oil, but that sadly hasn't been produced yet. If I wanted DK nerfed enough to lobby for it on the forums, which I don't, I would produce at least some form of proof other than my unending desire for it.

If you can't provide any information that at least alludes to showing that Templar over performing in any aspect of the game, why should you we be rolling back changes. Just because DKs want it really badly?

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Willows path was perfect as an all-around regen set, and now you turn it into a magicka set... /shakeshead. Why stop there with twilight's embrace too? Just move the 5 set bonus of twilight's embrace to the 4 set like one person wanted and be on total appeasement mode.

And wtf with hundings rage? Weapon Power Would make it the opposite to Soulshine sets Spell Power. Now its going to be weaker, because unless you changed how weapon damage interacts with weapon skills, its going to be the same miniscule and meaningless damage increase that it currently is.

This is backtracking on making melee fighters viable.

Bashev

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Willows path was perfect as an all-around regen set, and now you turn it into a magicka set... /shakeshead. Why stop there with twilight's embrace too? Just move the 5 set bonus of twilight's embrace to the 4 set like one person wanted and be on total appeasement mode.

Mages use special spell and when they cry in the forum ZoS hear them, on the other hand we, the warriors, are always muted
P.S I dont wont to nerf mages just buff warriors.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

You know, while you guys are on appeasement mode, i'm not happy that I will have to switch out of song of lamae since I dont need spell damage increase, nor the spell crit on Night mothers embrace. These changes make other sets better for me, and this makes me have to change my gear and use more materials like those willows path or twilights embrace users would have.

Please change the spell damage to weapon damage, and the spell crit to something else like stamina regen or max stamina.

Thanks

Oh and change the 5-set of hundings rage from Weapon Damage to Weapon Power.

Thanks again.

Maverick827

"Appeasement mode" is apparently a negative phrase when referring to the way a service provider provides its service to paying customers.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Maverick827 wrote: »

"Appeasement mode" is apparently a negative phrase when referring to the way a service provider provides its service to paying customers.

I have 0 *** to give.

Xael

What about a fix for the fps drop?

Kraven

I can't believe people are complaining about magicka regen on blazing shield. This skill was horrible for a temp tank or melee dps to use due to the lack of regen. How's this in the name of balance remove magicka regen from lightening form/ Bound Armor and DK shields then fix the ability of mages to block and fire spells simultaneously. I for one have played every single class to vet, except sorc which is currently sitting at 42, and Templar under performs in every role except healing. Meanwhile DK and Sorc perform each and every function reliably well.

Appeasement mode? How about growth and balance? Some complain just for the sake of complaining and some complain because any change good or bad can't be trusted! Confounded kids and they're talk of change, curses! Maybe many of you are new to MMO gaming, if so quick fact: MMO games change over time. For good or bad and back again, get use to it.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Ok, then look at my "appeasement mode" as "Growth and balance" mode and not backtrack on making physical fighters on par with spell fighters. Put in in your mind, let it work for you and bring you happy thoughts.

Now about sun shield. Various Templars have nearly killed me, some have killed me, by using blazing shield. The lack of magicka regen did not impact them. The thing turns my attacks into my pain, while negating damage on them. Thats pretty powerful, and they know it. It is fine as it is on live and doesn't need "fixing". They should look at other skills in the line.

If they want to go this route, then they should make the OTHER morph of sun shield not have a magicka regen penalty. That would probably increase its viability so every damn templar doesn't run blazing shield. Even tho they probably will run blazing shield anyways, because it is that good.

Kewljag_66_ESO

kijima wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a decent medium armour set or sets with the new changes for a combination of DW/Bow?

Personally im running 4 armor pieces of Huntingtons rage + the 5th piece as the bow so i get the 5th piece damge bonus when im using my bow.

I have 3 armor pieces of Nights silence + both weapons, so when i have my daggers out i get the 4 bonus and the 5th bonus of the 60% sneak movemnt speed bonus.

You can also pick up 2 PVP rings for their 2nd bonus

Snit

Thank you for the changes to Willow/ Twilight/ Hist Bark! It's encouraging to see reasonable feedback produce results

michael21

Just about every set got better. You can think that it's balanced to nerf willows and twilight, but they really just took two sets that lots of mages and others focused on and completely changed their focus. Now they brought them closer to the focus of the people who used them. Too bad if now you can't use willows as an all around regen set, regen was not the main reason like anyone uses it as a five piece set. As I said about every set is getting better, it is not unbalancing to help bring these two sets still useful to the people who used them especially when they aren't even overpowered in any way at all.

Zerikin

Thank you for changing your plans for those items sets. Makes a huge difference.

Erock25

I'm bummed that they haven't yet introduced the change where ultimate power scales on either stamina or magicka. It is an important change that you would hope would be relatively easy to implement.

killedbyping

Great news. Totally support that change.

Jaxom

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Oh and change the 5-set of hundings rage from Weapon Damage to Weapon Power.

Thanks again.

Maybe I understand it wrong, but doesnt Weapon Damage increase all weapon attacks and Weapon Power increase just Light and Heavy? If that's the case, wouldn't Damage be better DPS than Power? Seriously asking here.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Weapon power increases damage of everything too. Wrecking blow is an example of the bonus from weapon power, which is better than weapon damage. There is also empowering chains for the dragon knight which has the same bonus as wreaking blow. They both apply to the next light and heavy attack, or whatever weapon attack you use afterword. Weapon power also won't bring your weapon damage closer to the cap, like with soulshine's spell power.

Shagreth

Twilight's Embrace 'Healing Recieved' bonus was still there in 1.3. Is it getting removed with 1.3.1? I must be missing something...

Jaxom

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Weapon power increases damage of everything too. Wrecking blow is an example of the bonus from weapon power, which is better than weapon damage. There is also empowering chains for the dragon knight which has the same bonus as wreaking blow. They both apply to the next light and heavy attack, or whatever weapon attack you use afterword. Weapon power also won't bring your weapon damage closer to the cap, like with soulshine's spell power.

got it. thanks. For some reason, I understood it differently.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Also, since you guys are reverting hist bark back, how about making the coldharbor set give more than 20% dodge for 3 seconds when you cast a magicka spell? I think it should be increased to 25-30% for the fact that its an 8-trait set and cant be held in place.

Erock25

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Weapon power increases damage of everything too. Wrecking blow is an example of the bonus from weapon power, which is better than weapon damage. There is also empowering chains for the dragon knight which has the same bonus as wreaking blow. They both apply to the next light and heavy attack, or whatever weapon attack you use afterword. Weapon power also won't bring your weapon damage closer to the cap, like with soulshine's spell power.

So the only difference between weapon power and weapon damage is the soft/hard cap?

Thejollygreenone

timidobserver wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Iam_Epiphany wrote: »

@timidobserver I'm not surprised to hear you play templar seeing as you actually defend this change. A friend of mine actually does have a video of a templar spamming blazing shield+restostaff heavy attacks killing players with recoil and oil in a 6-8 vs 1. It only ended when I showed up and started dropping oil on the guy myself, while everyone else was hitting him too...it still took several minutes. He scored over 10 kills while I was there alone.

This was on the live server with the magicka regen debuff.

The best answer would be to nerf dark cloak and reflective scales in the same way that bolt escape was nerfed.
At the very most, Blazing Shields debuff should be changed to be in line with bolt escape, preventing in some fashion the ability being spammed over and over.

However, removing the debuff from Blazing Shield would just create a second reflective scales, which is a move in the wrong direction...unless you're going to remove the debuff from bolt escape and fix dark cloak's bugs without debuffing it.

If you had such a video you would be linking it all over the place yelling and screaming. However, don't bother because it wouldn't make any difference. Evidence that the class is overperforming goes beyond what 1 person in a video has figured out how to do. If we base balancing on oneshot "look what I can do" videos, everybody needs to be nerfed. I won't say they don't exist, but I certainly haven't seen numerous videos showing Templar 1v8ing competant players while standing in oil.

Evidence that Templar is overperforming refers a videos, opinion data, and in-game data, and anything else to demonstrate that we are overperforming to the point that a few tickets of Magicka would break the game. For example:
-From PVE perspective, competitive trials groups pretty much shun Templars from DPS spots.
-From the PVP perspective, on the most populated server, Templar are actually underperforming badly in leaderboard rankings. On the second most populated sever, they are more or less even.
-From the public opinion perspective,
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/109564/which-class-is-the-most-underpowered
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/109562/which-class-is-the-most-overpowered
-From the dev perspective, "We are looking at the damage output of Templars. There are some lines like Dawn’s Wrath that will be adjusted to increase their viability."~~~http://dulfy.net/2014/07/12/eso-paul-sage-the-road-ahead-qa-transcript/

A.) Templar PvE dps has close to nothing to do with blazing shield.

B.) PvP leaderboard rankings don't accurately represent a players performance in any given battle?

Basically what I'm saying is Tim's post is talking about blazing shield, not necessarily templars as a whole. Try to keep comments fully pertinent to the posters focus of posting, please. Otherwise we get discussions that don't get resolved and only get exacerbate. ^.^

Sure PVE matters. This change will make Sun Shield more viable to use in PVE. Also, the first point is the only one that refers solely to PVE and the idea was to cover all angles.

We aren't overperforming in the leaderboards, the majority of players don't think we are OP, and Devs think our damage of lacking. Sure, leaderboards, polls, and dev quotes are debatable. However, it is better than an alluded to video that wasn't produced or anything that anyone has produced in favor of the alternative.

I've yet to see any information demonstrating that Templar are over performing in any area of the game. Well there is that alluded to video of a Templar beating 8 players while standing in oil, but that sadly hasn't been produced yet. If I wanted DK nerfed enough to lobby for it on the forums, which I don't, I would produce at least some form of proof other than my unending desire for it.

If you can't provide any information that at least alludes to showing that Templar over performing in any aspect of the game, why should you we be rolling back changes. Just because DKs want it really badly?

You seem to be misunderstanding my post. I never said PvE doesn't matter. I said Blazing Shield has nothing to do with PvE dps (at least in trials).

The point of my post was to try to get you to more focus on the effectiveness of sun shield as an ability INDIVIDUALLY, rather than templar as a whole. Imo, templars performance as a whole shouldn't be attempted to be improved by improving an already great ability.

As to this:

I've yet to see any information demonstrating that Templar are over performing in any area of the game. Well there is that alluded to video of a Templar beating 8 players while standing in oil, but that sadly hasn't been produced yet. If I wanted DK nerfed enough to lobby for it on the forums, which I don't, I would produce at least some form of proof other than my unending desire for it.

If you can't provide any information that at least alludes to showing that Templar over performing in any aspect of the game, why should you we be rolling back changes. Just because DKs want it really badly?

If you need video proof of templars performing just as well as DKs or any other class in pvp, that's your own issue. Just because no one is taking time to show you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Which was the idea in my point B. in that templars on pvp leaderboards don't accurately represent templar dps performance in pvp.

You can go out into cyrodiil and fight some templars for yourself and see. I wouldn't argue that they're overperforming, I'd argue that they AREN'T underperforming in pvp, and therefore don't require buffs.

In pve (trials) this is a totally different story. Templar dps needs changes in trials, but Blazing Shield does absolutely nothing, which was the idea of my point A. To reiterate: We should be looking at sun shield as an ability, not templars as a whole in regards to changes that need to be made to sun shield.

Look at the ability being changed, not the class. This needs to be a discussion about templar dps as a whole, in which sun shield is a very small part, or it needs to be a discussion about sun shield as an ability and specifically in the few ways it is used by templars (pvp for those who use it or trials for tanking). Talking about both just muddles up the discussion. That was my point.

Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if people actually read my posts before quoting them, or if they just use my posts as an excuse to vent their frustration further.

JackDaniell

So, I would just like to clarify for all the people who oh so coveted that 5% spell crit on willows.

YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY RUINED THE BEST CRAFTING SET IN THE GAME.

Willows had the potential the be the BEST sustainable set in the game. For some reason people could not see this (omg a set that gives me 25+ regen to my health mag stam? *** that i want 4% spell crit!)

Brandoid

JackDaniell wrote: »

So, I would just like to clarify for all the people who oh so coveted that 5% spell crit on willows.

YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY RUINED THE BEST CRAFTING SET IN THE GAME.

Willows had the potential the be the BEST sustainable set in the game. For some reason people could not see this (omg a set that gives me 25+ regen to my health mag stam? *** that i want 4% spell crit!)

Yup. I'm sure thor was very disappointed as well.

timidobserver

@Thejollygreenone
If Blazing Shield were overperforming to the degree that the person I responded to stated(fighting 8 people while standing in oil), it stands to reason that the class as a whole would be overperforming in some aspect of the game. At the very least, it wouldn't be getting voted the most underpowered class, least overpowered class , bringing in low to average leaderboard rankings, and being noted by devs as needing a DPS boost.

If your going to focus on Sunshield alone, it is not overperforming either. Our biggest DPS ability basically requires the consent of our attackers to be powerful. No one else has such a restricting limitation attached to their biggest DPS ability. Everybody else can bring their best DPS tools out at will. With Blazing Shield, I need people to actively kill themselves and on top of that it turns off my magicka regen. Anyone that decides not to be blown up by Blazing Shield won't be.

Underperforming in the current live game isn't the only possible valid reason for removing the Blazing Shield restriction. The problem is that the ability would be underperforming after the patch due to the significant increase in potential regeneration. Increasing potential regeneration is an indirect nerf to the current blazing shield since a player that uses it ends up losing out on more after than patch than before.

Go into Cyrodil and find out for myself? I participate in Cyrodil regularly and obviously I don't think Templar are OP, or else, I wouldn't be asking for evidence. Given a choice between running into either of the classes, I'd prefer a Templar or NB. I'd rather run into the 1st and 2nd ranked Templar together and 1v2 them, as opposed to the 15th ranked DK by himself with 4 or 5 people to back me up. I hate running into any Sorc at all, regardless of their skill/rank/level.

Thejollygreenone

timidobserver wrote: »

@Thejollygreenone
If Blazing Shield were overperforming to the degree that the person I responded to stated(fighting 8 people while standing in oil), it stands to reason that the class as a whole would be overperforming in some aspect of the game. At the very least, it wouldn't be getting voted the most underpowered class, least overpowered class , bringing in low to average leaderboard rankings, and being noted by devs as needing a DPS boost.

If your going to focus on Sunshield alone, it is not overperforming either. Our biggest DPS ability basically requires the consent of our attackers to be powerful. No one else has such a restricting limitation attached to their biggest DPS ability. Everybody else can bring their best DPS tools out at will. With Blazing Shield, I need people to actively kill themselves and on top of that it turns off my magicka regen. Anyone that decides not to be blown up by Blazing Shield won't be.

Underperforming in the current live game isn't the only possible valid reason for removing the Blazing Shield restriction. The problem is that the ability would be underperforming after the patch due to the significant increase in potential regeneration. Increasing potential regeneration is an indirect nerf to blazing shield since a player that uses it ends up losing out on more after than patch than before.

Go into Cyrodil and find out for myself? I participate in Cyrodil regularly and obviously I don't think Templar are OP, or else, I wouldn't be asking for evidence. Given a choice between running into either of the classes, I'd prefer a Templar or NB. I'd rather run in the 1st and second ranked Templar together, as opposed to the 15th ranked DK alone. I hate running into any Sorc at all, regardless of their skill/rank/level.

Again, you seem to be misinterpreting. I'm not trying to place a stake here or there, as I'm not a templar, nor am I an extreme enough pvper to have proper experience to make such claims.

The entire point of these posts is simply to segregate the discussion of how well or not well templar is performing from how well or not well a templar with blazing shield is performing.

All I'm asking is that we keep the discussion focused on blazing shield, or templar as a whole. While the two subjects are related, they need to be discussed separately to come to sound conclusions, in my opinion.

I'll cut off my part on this discussion here because I feel I've made it clear enough my sole purpose was to add the touch of a moderator, not a source of accurate information on the subject. That was never my intention, and I apologize if it came out that way.

Maverick827

JackDaniell wrote: »

So, I would just like to clarify for all the people who oh so coveted that 5% spell crit on willows.

YOU HAVE EFFECTIVELY RUINED THE BEST CRAFTING SET IN THE GAME.

Willows had the potential the be the BEST sustainable set in the game. For some reason people could not see this (omg a set that gives me 25+ regen to my health mag stam? *** that i want 4% spell crit!)

I don't think most people wanted spell crit back on Willows per se, they just wanted compensation. Your anger seems misplaced.

timidobserver

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

@Thejollygreenone
If Blazing Shield were overperforming to the degree that the person I responded to stated(fighting 8 people while standing in oil), it stands to reason that the class as a whole would be overperforming in some aspect of the game. At the very least, it wouldn't be getting voted the most underpowered class, least overpowered class , bringing in low to average leaderboard rankings, and being noted by devs as needing a DPS boost.

If your going to focus on Sunshield alone, it is not overperforming either. Our biggest DPS ability basically requires the consent of our attackers to be powerful. No one else has such a restricting limitation attached to their biggest DPS ability. Everybody else can bring their best DPS tools out at will. With Blazing Shield, I need people to actively kill themselves and on top of that it turns off my magicka regen. Anyone that decides not to be blown up by Blazing Shield won't be.

Underperforming in the current live game isn't the only possible valid reason for removing the Blazing Shield restriction. The problem is that the ability would be underperforming after the patch due to the significant increase in potential regeneration. Increasing potential regeneration is an indirect nerf to blazing shield since a player that uses it ends up losing out on more after than patch than before.

Go into Cyrodil and find out for myself? I participate in Cyrodil regularly and obviously I don't think Templar are OP, or else, I wouldn't be asking for evidence. Given a choice between running into either of the classes, I'd prefer a Templar or NB. I'd rather run in the 1st and second ranked Templar together, as opposed to the 15th ranked DK alone. I hate running into any Sorc at all, regardless of their skill/rank/level.

I'll cut off my part on this discussion here because I feel I've made it clear enough my sole purpose was to add the touch of a moderator, not a source of accurate information on the subject. That was never my intention, and I apologize if it came out that way.

I would leave the moderation to those that have that title and responsibility on the forums. A none-moderator attempting to moderate just confuses things as we can see by reading our exchanges.

Thejollygreenone

timidobserver wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

@Thejollygreenone
If Blazing Shield were overperforming to the degree that the person I responded to stated(fighting 8 people while standing in oil), it stands to reason that the class as a whole would be overperforming in some aspect of the game. At the very least, it wouldn't be getting voted the most underpowered class, least overpowered class , bringing in low to average leaderboard rankings, and being noted by devs as needing a DPS boost.

If your going to focus on Sunshield alone, it is not overperforming either. Our biggest DPS ability basically requires the consent of our attackers to be powerful. No one else has such a restricting limitation attached to their biggest DPS ability. Everybody else can bring their best DPS tools out at will. With Blazing Shield, I need people to actively kill themselves and on top of that it turns off my magicka regen. Anyone that decides not to be blown up by Blazing Shield won't be.

Underperforming in the current live game isn't the only possible valid reason for removing the Blazing Shield restriction. The problem is that the ability would be underperforming after the patch due to the significant increase in potential regeneration. Increasing potential regeneration is an indirect nerf to blazing shield since a player that uses it ends up losing out on more after than patch than before.

Go into Cyrodil and find out for myself? I participate in Cyrodil regularly and obviously I don't think Templar are OP, or else, I wouldn't be asking for evidence. Given a choice between running into either of the classes, I'd prefer a Templar or NB. I'd rather run in the 1st and second ranked Templar together, as opposed to the 15th ranked DK alone. I hate running into any Sorc at all, regardless of their skill/rank/level.

I'll cut off my part on this discussion here because I feel I've made it clear enough my sole purpose was to add the touch of a moderator, not a source of accurate information on the subject. That was never my intention, and I apologize if it came out that way.

I would leave the moderation to those that have that title and responsibility on the forums. A none-moderator attempting to moderate just confuses things as we can see by reading our exchanges.

A lot of moderating they do... But if my attempting to make things clearer just confused them for you, maybe there's more of a problem here than a non-moderator trying to help moderate a discussion.

But that's neither here nor there, I'm just posting to tell you if you wish to discuss things peripheral to 1.3.1 patch notes feel free to pm me It doesn't quite belong here. But here I am doing the same thing, huh? I suppose maybe I'm a bit more on topic by trying to get us back on topic? Maybe that's a bit too philosophical.

But true to my word, I'll end my part here, as now we have both pointed out that my presence apparently confuses some more than it helps. Cheers.

timidobserver

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Thejollygreenone wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

@Thejollygreenone
If Blazing Shield were overperforming to the degree that the person I responded to stated(fighting 8 people while standing in oil), it stands to reason that the class as a whole would be overperforming in some aspect of the game. At the very least, it wouldn't be getting voted the most underpowered class, least overpowered class , bringing in low to average leaderboard rankings, and being noted by devs as needing a DPS boost.

If your going to focus on Sunshield alone, it is not overperforming either. Our biggest DPS ability basically requires the consent of our attackers to be powerful. No one else has such a restricting limitation attached to their biggest DPS ability. Everybody else can bring their best DPS tools out at will. With Blazing Shield, I need people to actively kill themselves and on top of that it turns off my magicka regen. Anyone that decides not to be blown up by Blazing Shield won't be.

Underperforming in the current live game isn't the only possible valid reason for removing the Blazing Shield restriction. The problem is that the ability would be underperforming after the patch due to the significant increase in potential regeneration. Increasing potential regeneration is an indirect nerf to blazing shield since a player that uses it ends up losing out on more after than patch than before.

Go into Cyrodil and find out for myself? I participate in Cyrodil regularly and obviously I don't think Templar are OP, or else, I wouldn't be asking for evidence. Given a choice between running into either of the classes, I'd prefer a Templar or NB. I'd rather run in the 1st and second ranked Templar together, as opposed to the 15th ranked DK alone. I hate running into any Sorc at all, regardless of their skill/rank/level.

I'll cut off my part on this discussion here because I feel I've made it clear enough my sole purpose was to add the touch of a moderator, not a source of accurate information on the subject. That was never my intention, and I apologize if it came out that way.

I would leave the moderation to those that have that title and responsibility on the forums. A none-moderator attempting to moderate just confuses things as we can see by reading our exchanges.

A lot of moderating they do... But if my attempting to make things clearer just confused them for you, maybe there's more of a problem here than a non-moderator trying to help moderate a discussion.

But that's neither here nor there, I'm just posting to tell you if you wish to discuss things peripheral to 1.3.1 patch notes feel free to pm me It doesn't quite belong here. But here I am doing the same thing, huh? I suppose maybe I'm a bit more on topic by trying to get us back on topic? Maybe that's a bit too philosophical.

But true to my word, I'll end my part here, as now we have both pointed out that my presence apparently confuses some more than it helps. Cheers.

Eh, you don't get to decide what is valid discussion and what isn't. I don't see a ZOS tag next to your name. Have a good one.