Official Discussion Thread for "ESO Arrives on Steam"

Cogo

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ZOS gave us one BS answer that was copied and pasted and they still have not formally addressed the issue. What would be really nice is if they would:

1 Acknowledge that there are people upset that those of us who bought the game at release will never be able to use Steam.

• To comfort upset people are the job of parents, not companies
• I dont use facebook or a lot of other media Zenimax uses to gather feedback about ESO which they base their game on. It MY choice what to use. If I CHOOSE not to use facebook, then I can NOT blame Zenimax for it. Exact same with Steam.

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2 Apologize for the obvious oversight and at least look into possible solutions.

Are you SERIOUS?!

Should Amazon say sorry they can not SELL a product to me because of X reason?

Either I misunderstood you, or what life are you living where everyone needs to say sorry to you for something you do not like?

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What did they do instead? Nothing. They haven't even addressed it except to say that we can add it as a non Steam game. It really makes us think that they don't care about us or our concerns. Basically by ignoring it they are making the problem worse.

The biggest problem Zenimax have done is to give us TO much info! Now we expect it!

HOW do you know WHAT Zeni is doing RIGHT NOW?
How do you know that Zenimax and Steam are not talking about a solution?

And no, they have no obligation what so ever to say ZIP about that.

How....how....spoiled have we all become?

Cogo

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Elder_Jelly wrote: »

it really goes to show that people who support these games early are getting screwed.

HOW!?

* You mean we get "ignored" for our demand of housing? Oh oh no...thats in their plans now.

* You mean our feedback about high end area being to easy at start? oh....no..they changed that

* You mean our feedback that high end area being to HARD after 50 now? Oh...they changed that.

* You mean combat felt to "clunky" and they should work on it? (Feedback in beta). Oh....they constantly doing that

Do I need to go on? People who support ESO not only support back, but get to INFLUENCE where the game is going!

Why are you so upset? Some of us want to play it through Steam. If you don't then this conversation doesn't concern you. Nobody is making you play it on Steam. You really are getting upset for absolutely no reason.

I play all my games through steam if I can.

What I am getting freakin angry over, is that most these posts are NOT made by angry teenagers, who doesnt know any better. They are made by selfish people who wants everything and have no regard for the real world.

I am responding to a DEMANDS which have no base in reality.

Oddly enough, I am expressing my opinion as well.

Nox_Aeterna

@Cogo mate , doesnt matter how much you try to put the blame on the players for being expoiled...

In the end , it was zens stupidity that led to all this.

If the people in the marketing division had more brains and less power when it comes to decisions , we would probably be better off.

Not giving the steam support is understandable , we did not buy the game on steam , maybe steam doesnt want to give keys to zen to activate the game there , this is not a simple task , if the code just adds a game to the steam account , that would mean people could sell the codes like a whole new copy.

Now , the "item" (in this case a dog) , they decided to give only to new players is another issue.

This is a sub based game , i pay monthly to have access to the content of it. It is an absurd that they decided to release content only for new players.

That is entirely on zens end and proves they have a lot of improving to do.

eventHandler

If we don't agree with the company, we have every right to voice that disagreement. I don't want to live in the free-market libertarian world Cogo wants. Its spoiled for a company to take our money and give away *digital* items (which costs them nothing to give us, and cannot be equated to other situations where its a physical item or otherwise cost resources) to new customers while providing no way what-so-ever for existing customers to get said item. When I say existing, I mean a person who will continue to use their existing copy of the product. It is not a reasonable response for you to return with "but you do have a way, just buy another copy." That would essentially be making us new customers in multiple ways (the account is new and doesn't carry over anything from the other, and doesn't have the perks of old accounts such as explorer pack and beta monkey).

Getting things back then is what we agreed to when we bought it, but there is also the implicit agreement that new content will be made available to us as we continue to shell money over to Zeni.

Please stop writing treatises in defense of a large corporation that can perfectly well represent itself here. You made your opinion known. Stop debating the merits of ours, because it is all just opinion. Our opinion is that we should get the dog and a way to link to steam, yours is that we should sit down, shut up, and play what we are allowed or quit. We get it. And you are so much better than us spoiled, entitled people, we know.

What we need is for devs to join the conversation in a meaningful way and explain why we should not have the dog.

Cogo

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

@Cogo mate , doesnt matter how much you try to put the blame on the players for being expoiled...

If the people in the marketing division had more brains and less power when it comes to decisions , we would probably be better off.

Not giving the steam support is understandable , we did not buy the game on steam , maybe steam doesnt want to give keys to zen to activate the game there , this is not a simple task , if the code just adds a game to the steam account , that would mean people could sell the codes like a whole new copy.

Hey man, Ill leave this quote in HOPE that others reads it. Since its not from me.

You summed up WHY its not just a simple thing to add this to steam.
Thank you

Cogo

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

@Cogo mate , doesnt matter how much you try to put the blame on the players for being expoiled...

In the end , it was zens stupidity that led to all this.

If the people in the marketing division had more brains and less power when it comes to decisions , we would probably be better off.

Now , the "item" (in this case a dog) , they decided to give only to new players is another issue.

This is a sub based game , i pay monthly to have access to the content of it. It is an absurd that they decided to release content only for new players.

That is entirely on zens end and proves they have a lot of improving to do.

If it wasnt for the marketing people, there would be no ESO.
Do I need to cut down in details what would NOT exist? Starting with the different starting packs? The starting vanity pet? The starting Horse? Would not exist. Along with multiple advertisements.

In short, ESO would not exist......

Zens stupidity have led us to HERE.
What the game is now, we can talk about. But what it IS......its here, its promising and so far have a future? Or?

ESO is a sub based game:
In your sub, includes: Play the game with ALL "expansions". Get access to new things every 4-6 weeks. Extra vanity pets is NOT included!

ESO explained they have a game STORE, where they will put vanity items, and NEVER game items that will increase strength etc. Go look.

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ANY computer game, no matter what, of course can release a "special" "x-mas" edition" that gives something others dont get. WoW did this several times.

There is NO rule against this. There is NO "standard" against this.
In fact, MMO have "created" "standards" LIKE THIS, like a special pet when you log into X-mas for example.

Your statement that they released a "content" for not you....do you wish to change that to a statement they made a product, for sale, for EVERYONE, that even you can get if you want to buy 2 accounts?

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

@Cogo mate , doesnt matter how much you try to put the blame on the players for being expoiled...

In the end , it was zens stupidity that led to all this.

If the people in the marketing division had more brains and less power when it comes to decisions , we would probably be better off.

Now , the "item" (in this case a dog) , they decided to give only to new players is another issue.

This is a sub based game , i pay monthly to have access to the content of it. It is an absurd that they decided to release content only for new players.

That is entirely on zens end and proves they have a lot of improving to do.

If it wasnt for the marketing people, there would be no ESO.
Do I need to cut down in details what would NOT exist? Starting with the different starting packs? The starting vanity pet? The starting Horse? Would not exist. Along with multiple advertisements.

In short, ESO would not exist......


Zens stupidity have led us to HERE.
What the game is now, we can talk about. But what it IS......its here, its promising and so far have a future? Or?

ESO is a sub based game:
In your sub, includes: Play the game with ALL "expansins". Get access to new things every 4-6 weeks. Extra vanity pets is NOT included!

ESO explained they have a game STORE, where they will put vanity items, and NEVER game items that will increase strength etc. Go look.

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ANY computer game, no matter what, of course can release a "special" "x-mas" edition" that gives something others dont get. WoW did this several times.

There is NO rule against this. There is NO "standard" against this.
In fact, MMO have "created" "standards" LIKE THIS, like a special pet when you log into X-mas for example.

Your statement that they released a "content" for not you....do you wish to change that to a statement they made a product, for sale, for EVERYONE, that even you can get if you want to buy 2 accounts?

There is the issue , you CANT get it even if you wanted to make 2 accounts.

Even if you bought the game on steam , you cant get this pet on your current account.

The pig , you could have gotten by going to quakecon , the monkey by being a beta tester or on the net (people are selling those even today , even i have beta codes i did not use) ...

The only way to get this dog , is literally drop your entire account and start from zero again on a new one.

This is content made entirely for new players.

So yes , it is quite annoying , if this was an event pet , i would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame because of the steam launch during these few days, all fine.

But that is not the case.

Cogo

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The only way to get this dog , is literally drop your entire account and start from zero again on a new one.

This is content made entirely for new players.

So yes , it is quite annoying , if this was an event pet , i would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame because of the steam launch during these few days, all fine.

But that is not the case.

Yes, thats true.

This is one way Zenimax is trying to get new customers, which we ALL need if we want to play ESO.

There will be more.

Buy an account now, and get a free jerkin. I am 100% this will pop up.

Is it SO HORRIBLE to not have 1 VANITY pet, that NO ONE in the game, other then us who bought a specific timed copy have?

Cogo

eventHandler wrote: »

I don't want to live in the free-market libertarian world Cogo wants.

Like? Wants? Um, welcome to internet 2014.

Its called internet, and you and me can use the market the same way, with the same rules. If you are against that, fine.

I am not. I am for you having the same right as everyone else. If you are against that, its your choice.

TheDodsons

It may not be the company's job to comfort people, but it is their job to keep them happy.

You choose not use not use Facebook and that is fine, but you should not have to buy a new copy of the game to use Facebook, if you decided to.

Zenimax does have an obligation to keep its customers happy. It is not the pet that is the issue, its the denying access to it that is. As it stands, there is no way for my account to get access to the dog. There is literally NOTHING I can do to add that content, which I have paid to support, to my current account. As I told Customer Service, it could have been a pink Mud Crab and my argument would be the same.

Truth is, I don't care about the dog, or about Steam. I probably wouldn't even use it to be honest, but its the way that this company has treated its long time supporters that has made me so angry.

Generally speaking, I defend this company, and have encouraged people to give them the benefit of the doubt. However, I am not a fan boy, and I am leaving the game. That is another sub lost due to the poor decisions this company has made.

I will not support a company that does not appreciate the people that have supported them.

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The only way to get this dog , is literally drop your entire account and start from zero again on a new one.

This is content made entirely for new players.

So yes , it is quite annoying , if this was an event pet , i would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame because of the steam launch during these few days, all fine.

But that is not the case.

Yes, thats true.

This is one way Zenimax is trying to get new customers, which we ALL need if we want to play ESO.

There will be more.

Buy an account now, and get a free jerkin. I am 100% this will pop up.

Is it SO HORRIBLE to not have 1 VANITY pet, that NO ONE in the game, other then us who bought a specific timed copy have?

Which is the issue.

We dont want them to do this again , once was more than enough. Making the same mistake multiple times is a bit too much.

Yes , the idea of giving unique items only to new players is a big problem to many , be it a vanity pet or whatever it is.

I dont care if they want to make sales , like the 50% , that is a given on older games , but unique items is a whole new level.

FearlessAce

Cogo wrote: »

ANY computer game, no matter what, of course can release a "special" "x-mas" edition" that gives something others dont get. WoW did this several times.

Yes, they did. And if you logged in to your paid account during the promotional period, you got it for free.

They never sold a DUPLICATE copy of the same game for a discount with anything exclusive.

This has nothing to do with them having a sale to bring in new members. That's understandable, and you're right, that's just marketing.

However, offering the same game just 109 days after pre-launch for 50% off with EXCLUSIVE content is not okay. Existing customers cannot properly use Steam (the popular gaming achievement and social platform) without buying an additional copy -- and that would be okay, but no: anyone who buys a copy on Steam cannot use their existing account.

That means even a new Steam account, purchased by anyone with an existing ESO account, will have to start over from the beginning. No achievements, no account-bound loot, no original bonuses or pets or perks -- nothing that they've earned by being an early customer or for playing 100's of hours already on their servers.

Most people put a lot of time into playing, learning, crafting, making the game personal and fun (custom crafted armor sets with the traits *you* want are priceless for those who take MMO PvP seriously).

To top it all off, if you're a Veteran Rank player who's played all the in-game content (good on you, that's a lot of hours), that means you have already played every single faction, and seen most of what all the zones have to offer. So, if you did bite the bullet and switch to Steam, lose ALL of your hard work and perks, now you have the lovely added bonus of having to do every quest, every boss fight, every group instance, re-harvest all your materials to craft with, re-earn your gold, and have NO vanity items to prove/show off to anyone else that you were a beta tester, or pre-orderer.

Especially now, for anyone still playing, those vanity items are becoming more and more important. Why? All the abhorrent treatment from the company means that those of us with those vanity items want to be able to show off, "Hey, we were here from the beginning, we put up with their BS, we helped make the game what it is today, we know what we're talking about when we say you can't do that with a Nightblade."

No one wants to re-buy a content-rich game to have to start all over just to get a perk or two that should've been included since the inception of the idea at all.

WoW was such a powerful franchise for so many years because they legitimately care about their playerbase. They know that if people aren't happy, they leave -- and while they had bugs and glitches and a few game-breaking errors now and then, they never treated their playerbase with disrespect.

I get the feeling someone in Zenimax marketing has no idea that "sub" means "subscription." To be clear, Staff, I'm not a submissive, and despite what you seem to think: I'm not your pay piggie...
...what was that pet you offered at QuakeCon?

Sphinister

In complete agreement with everyone who's upset over the steam release. Not only are we unable to integrate it into our existing steam accounts (non-steam game is a joke of a fix) but anyone who's been here since the start and paid full price is currently getting slapped in the face. Why did we preorder the game and imperial edition, just to have it go onto steam, for half price, with a pet I can't even receive without RE-BUYING the game? Why did I bother to begin with? Why support you from the start, when you're going to go ahead and offer BETTER benefits to people who are just buying now? Looks like customer loyalty has gone right out the window. I've supported this game since it came out despite the bull that's come its way, but now I'm getting seriously frustrated. This is completely unfair to anyone who originally bought the game expecting to get exclusive benefits for their support. Instead, we're actually getting less benefits than newcomers from steam; and I cant even defend the game from steam, because we're not allowed to integrate without re-buying. Not to mention I've put hours into this game, which would reflect a solid review, unlike the 1 hour playtime reviews currently all over steam. This is a serious disappointment, and a serious disconnect with your players and paying customers.
Hopefully the mass amount of negative feedback serves to foster some change, but considering you've decided to blatantly walk all over your pre-order, imperial and CE customers, I'm beginning to highly doubt it.

Sphinister

Khiol wrote: »

Don't care about the dog, think its funny the kids all whining about some trivial vanity pet but w/e. What I have is the standard edition I bought way back after I played in the BETA. I want to be able to add the game to my steam library and then I will upgrade to the better edition, I'll even give the damn dog to some whiny spoiled kid if ya want. Thanks Zenimax Online.

It's not about the vanity pet, its about the concept of it. People are upset because they put time, effort and money into something early on to support it and this is a slap in the face to them.
It's like working for a company for five years, and one day you go to work and management tells you that all newly hired employees will be receiving a 15% discount on merchandise. But the discount does not apply to already hired and existing employees. And they wont be receiving it period. Its the basis of it that's making people angry, the pet is just an avenue to vent frustration.

Snook420

Cogo wrote: »

How....how....spoiled have we all become?

We are paying to play the game. This isn't a f2p piece of crap. When we pay money for the game and then have to keep paying, we expect a lot.

Cogo

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The only way to get this dog , is literally drop your entire account and start from zero again on a new one.

This is content made entirely for new players.

So yes , it is quite annoying , if this was an event pet , i would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame because of the steam launch during these few days, all fine.

But that is not the case.

Yes, thats true.

This is one way Zenimax is trying to get new customers, which we ALL need if we want to play ESO.

There will be more.

Buy an account now, and get a free jerkin. I am 100% this will pop up.

Is it SO HORRIBLE to not have 1 VANITY pet, that NO ONE in the game, other then us who bought a specific timed copy have?

Which is the issue.

We dont want them to do this again , once was more than enough. Making the same mistake multiple times is a bit too much.

Yes , the idea of giving unique items only to new players is a big problem to many , be it a vanity pet or whatever it is.

I dont care if they want to make sales , like the 50% , that is a given on older games , but unique items is a whole new level.

@Nox_Aeterna
Ok, so we agree to disagree? Fair enough?

You may not think so, but I respect what you say, based on your many posts here. That we disagree in everything, doesnt matter to me.

ESO Marketing
I want ESO to be played with as many people as possible. MORE then likely most people who don't play like I do. I want the whole WORLD to buy ESO on consoles, even if I NEVER buy a console myself!!

Why?

The more people who play ESO, the longer i lives, the more it get developed and the more vanity pets we get to argue over! ;-)
Because I happen to like ESO today and want ESO to be here the future, PAY PER MONTH, in 5 years and beyond.
I have a feeling, so do you and a lot of other people.

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Unique items:
I want unique items I can never have. That's one driving force in ME! This is MY opinion and VERY open to discussions.......

@Nox_Aeterna, you have seen me post here for quite a while. I Go berserk, angry, against the stream and what not.

One thing I do NOT, is when state something, I do not base what I, Cogo, THINK is valid, would be best FOR ME, COGO (I have been wrong!!!!).
I look for what Zenimax managers have stated about ESO and FACTS according to ZENIMAX future plans, about ESO, in 5 days, 5 weeks, 5 months and 5 years.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but have I EVER stated this is bad FOR ME, with no regard for ESO? Example. I Wanted the Shield bash fix. I bug submitted several DKs overpowered things (I just play DK)

Edit: I can admit right away. My overreaction over the nerf of the Vet 1-3 zones WAS overreaction, and not as bad, when I tried it. My mistake and that statement I to take back.

Correct? False?

Why I ask, is if anyone reads this, why might see why I post "against" the wind? I want a good game, to be fair, fun and be here in 5 years!!!

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I have a question for you. You say:

"Yes, the idea of giving unique items only to new players is a big problem to many , be it a vanity pet or whatever it is."
" I would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame"

Ok, I understand this.

Remember all the crab pets that everyone had at start? Where are they? Very few use them because EVERYONE HAD THEM!

Question 1
I'll meet you half way. Lets say they put up these vanity pets on ESO store? Would that be ok with you?

Question 2
If ESO is not doing "offers" sales at times, that are 1 time only, giving exclusive items, just like this. Do you not think, ESO would miss possible players?

Cogo

Snook420 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

How....how....spoiled have we all become?

We are paying to play the game. This isn't a f2p piece of crap. When we pay money for the game and then have to keep paying, we expect a lot.

I meet you half way ok?

We expect a lot since its its pay to play. Yes.

We KNOW whats included in the pay to play. No expectation. Read what your rights are.

Your subscription includes:
The game with all the 4-6 releases of new content/stuff.
Any "expansion" Dungeon etc".

What it does NOT include, is: Imperial edition, ESO shop items, future offers.
Its there in black and white.

I think you "expect" here. You are not 100% wrong!!! Listen to me! BUT, according to what you sub for, ANY vanity pet, is NOT included.

NOTE: What IS included is EVERY addition/stuff, added every 4-6 weeks.
See the difference?

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

Ok, so we agree to disagree? Fair enough?

You may not think so, but I respect what you say, based on your many posts here. That we disagree in everything, doesnt matter to me.

ESO Marketing
I want ESO to be played with as many people as possible. MORE then likely most people who don't play like I do. I want the whole WORLD to buy ESO on consoles, even if I NEVER buy a console myself!!

Why?

The more people who play ESO, the longer i lives, the more it get developed and the more vanity pets we get to argue over! ;-)
Because I happen to like ESO today and want ESO to be here the future, PAY PER MONTH, in 5 years and beyond.
I have a feeling, so do you and a lot of other people.

Mate , we talk and discuss things , but i will be the first to admit , you dont make pointless and troll posts , you try to give your opinion on the matter , granted , we usually disagree on many things hehe , but i also have respect for you.

The issue is , stop and think , did the dog even matter that much?

I honestly think it did not and if it did not , then we have a major flaw when it comes to the marketing part.

If zen had never added the dog to the promotion , if they went with only the 50% sale. I really dont think it would have made such a huge dif.

Even more if they had given something (no need to be the dog , it is just a vanity item) to the loyal customers , that would have showed they award those that remain with them and could actually generate good word of the game mouth to mouth.

Ofc , we will never know for sure.

Cogo wrote: »

Question 2
If ESO is not doing "offers" sales at times, that are 1 time only, giving exclusive items, just like this. Do you not think, ESO would miss possible players?

I was in the middle of making my post when you edt it , but my answer is above.

I think the sale on itself , even without the item , would have been enough.

To begin with , it would have probably sold a lot more , if the current players could have gotten the dog and the steam support by paying for the game again on steam.

Cogo wrote: »

Unique items:
I want unique items I can never have. That's one driving force in ME! This is MY opinion and VERY open to discussions.......

@Nox_Aeterna, you have seen me post here for quite a while. I Go berserk, angry, against the stream and what not.

One thing I do NOT, is when state something, I do not base what I, Cogo, THINK is valid, would be best FOR ME, COGO (I have been wrong!!!!).
I look for what Zenimax managers have stated about ESO and FACTS according to ZENIMAX future plans, about ESO, in 5 days, 5 weeks, 5 months and 5 years.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but have I EVER stated this is bad FOR ME, with no regard for ESO? Example. I Wanted the Shield bash fix. I bug submitted several DKs overpowered things (I just play DK)

Correct? False?

Why I ask, is if anyone reads this, why might see why I post "against" the wind? I want a good game, to be fair, fun and be here in 5 years!!!

Heh , lets agree here that we have usually different visions of what is good for the game many times.

Still i will confirm that your posts are generally always turned for what you think is best for the game.

Cogo wrote: »

I have a question for you. You say:

"Yes, the idea of giving unique items only to new players is a big problem to many , be it a vanity pet or whatever it is."
" I would have no issues with it , something we could all get ingame"

Ok, I understand this.

Remember all the crab pets that everyone had at start? Where are they? Very few use them because EVERYONE HAD THEM!

Fair , but it is still their choice to do so.

Here , they only gave that choice to new players.

Also , note , im not complaining about the pig (which is a lot rarer and more limited than the dog) , because the pig is something that anyone can/could grab if they really , really wanted and had put some effort into it. (even if not inside the game).

Cogo wrote: »

Question 1
I'll meet you half way. Lets say they put up these vanity pets on ESO store? Would that be ok with you?

Im also not complaining about the guar pet , which is pretty much this.

While i do prefer to get pets ingame, i personally dont think i would pay for one unless it is something i trully , trully want , as long as everyone has a chance at it , it seems fair.

PS:
Lets be resonable here , while most of us have been disagreeing with stuff like the dog issue , we are not kids , i have strongly disagreed with some over this just to agree with them in other threads about other things.

This is a forum for discussion and that is what we do here , as adults i dont think we harbor hard feelings over having different opinions on issues about a game.

The trolls that only seek to offend others without even making a point or understanding the issue on the other hand are annoying.

Nox_Aeterna

@Cogo‌ i have a question for you then.

If , they made an event on every first city , giving the dog and had made quite clear on steam that this was happening right now together with the sale so that they all could get the dog only on this small space of time.

Do you think the result of the sale would have been worse?

And yes , this would take the dog from a imperial edt exclusive (which i have) and make it open to all players on that were on during this time.

Cogo

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

@Cogo‌ i have a question for you then.

If , they made an event on every first city , giving the dog and had made quite clear on steam that this was happening right now together with the sale so that they all could get the dog only on this small space of time.

Do you think the result of the sale would have been worse?

And yes , this would take the dog from a imperial edt exclusive (which i have) and make it open to all players on that were on during this time.

Hmm, I think THEY will do something like this. And open a pandora box.

Pandora box:
You do know how many players in ESO Do NOT want any sort of PVP?
There was even complaints about the quite nice copy of Skyrim justice system. That a PvE player didnt want any part of PvP. THEN DONT STEAL! ;-)

Note: ESO offers content for SEVERAL groups. PvP is ONE. PvE is another. Either group can NOT say "ESO is ONLY PVP/PVE." Then they do not know what ESO is.

To answer your question, I think it will be MUCH worse, because the number of players NOT interested (they really should be) in PvP, will SCREAM!!!

But I can be wrong.

I hope that answered your question. BUT, I have a rebuttal.

Is not EXCLUSIVE or RARE, something everyone should not have?
NOT talking fair. Talking the words, the meaning in game.

Again, should not these things be something everyone does NOT have? (throwing away the term FAIR)

Nox_Aeterna

Cogo wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

@Cogo‌ i have a question for you then.

If , they made an event on every first city , giving the dog and had made quite clear on steam that this was happening right now together with the sale so that they all could get the dog only on this small space of time.

Do you think the result of the sale would have been worse?

And yes , this would take the dog from a imperial edt exclusive (which i have) and make it open to all players on that were on during this time.

Hmm, I think THEY will do something like this. And open a pandora box.

Pandora box:
You do know how many players in ESO Do NOT want any sort of PVP?
There was even complaints about the quite nice copy of Skyrim justice system. That a PvE player didnt want any part of PvP. THEN DONT STEAL! ;-)

Note: ESO offers content for SEVERAL groups. PvP is ONE. PvE is another. Either group can NOT say "ESO is ONLY PVP/PVE." Then they do not know what ESO is.

To answer your question, I think it will be MUCH worse, because the number of players NOT interested (they really should be) in PvP, will SCREAM!!!

But I can be wrong.

I hope that answered your question. BUT, I have a rebuttal.

Is not EXCLUSIVE or RARE, something everyone should not have?
NOT talking fair. Talking the words, the meaning in game.

Again, should not these things be something everyone does NOT have? (throwing away the term FAIR)

@Cogo Im confused , but , why must it be a PvP event :P?

I just meant a unique event , dunno , could even just be a NPC that had a small quest and then gave you the dog , anything like that. No need for PvP at all really.

Ok , it would be less exclusive and less rare indeed if they gave one to all players that came to the event and did what had to be done to get the dog , BUT it would still be exclusive.

Only players that were on during the days of the quakecon would be able to get the dogs.

That means not only this would have made the current players not so annoyed , this would also have made some resubscribe to get it.

Skelfish

@Nox_Aeterna‌ Negatory on the starting over. Unless you want to play exclusively on Steam, you can apply a Steam CD key to your existing ESO account and receive all the benefits (in this case, a different color dog than what the rest of the people get later).

Nox_Aeterna

Skelfish wrote: »

@Nox_Aeterna‌ Negatory on the starting over. Unless you want to play exclusively on Steam, you can apply a Steam CD key to your existing ESO account and receive all the benefits (in this case, a different color dog than what the rest of the people get later).

You are the first on all the threads i have seen until now to say this.

Which would change very little to me , since the sale is already over the the dog is now locked anyway.

So you got the steam account and asked zen to apply it here for you? That gave you the dog?

CASP3R421

heh those poor people who wind up with the dog are gonna get trolled so hard by our mature community. seriously though, exclusive rewards to people for showing up late? should really send them out to everyone who already paid you for the imperial edition

Snook420

@Cogo‌ I don't disagree with you at all, I was just saying. The general idea is, if we keep paying to play, it's a premium service- same as how Comcast used to do their Home Networking service. If this were a f2p game, it wouldn't matter too much because, if you missed something, you could go buy it the next week or something. Honestly, I would like the dog but, I don't care about the dog. I'm just mad that I spent 80 USD to get the Imperial Edition and played 4 weeks of beta, early access, plus 2 months of game time- through all the bugs and crashes, only to see that it is less than half what I paid for it. I paid my dues, gave my feedback, and all that jazz. Something to show for it would be nice. And, again, we pay to play- so we deserve SOMETHING.

UnbornCorpser

So from what I'm gathering there is no way to transfer my data/game to work with steam fully? I'd have to re-buy the game?

Drennen_Skullcrusher

Absolutely bogus. I pre-ordered this game as soon as it was available, I paid full price at a retail store to get a copy for my son last week. During the 'early access' period the servers spent a lot of time undergoing 'maintenance' that should have been sorted out in the beta tests that I participated in. Then I never got any reimbursement or credit for the lost time like I was promised. Now if somebody buys this game through Steam they get it for HALF the price I paid and a vanity pet I won't have access to, and perhaps other benefits that come with a Steam account. I am irate over this. I will monitor this issue and if the community outrage doesn't prompt Bethesda and Zenimax to make this right with the true fans and players I will cancel both of my accounts, wipe the game from my system and my sons system and forever boycott everything produced by either company. Their lack of planning and communication over things like this is entirely unacceptable.

CheesyDaedra

Steam sale is gone guys.

You should be blaming ZOS for not giving us a Steam Redemption code yet.

xaade

Cogo wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Elder_Jelly wrote: »

it really goes to show that people who support these games early are getting screwed.

I am responding to a DEMANDS which have no base in reality.

Oddly enough, I am expressing my opinion as well.

Actually people can get upset if they want.

Steam is a BIG deal to people who use it.
I use it.
It creates a network of acknowledgement. I can share my experiences in ESO with people who aren't playing ESO, if it is linked to steam.

Somehow I'm prohibited. Now there's going to be two communities, those with steam and those without.

That's going to divide the playerbase, and playerbase unity is a big role in securing an MMO's future. It is a key foundational problem here.

There is no reason not to offer some way for current players to integrate with Steam. They would have to make it work, but I would easily pay $10 for it to happen.

Hell, they could push it as a $15, get Steam integration, get gray dog.

But, then there's this nasty thing called competition.

Some MMO company decided they'd offer free integration with steam. So, companies have to compete. And my concern here, is that at any avenue, Zenimax has shown no desire to compete. They've shown a desire to improve their own product, in some imaginary vacuum that no other products exist in, but that's not enough to secure themselves financially.

Now, I've noticed this and can point it out, but other people have noticed it also but can't put their finger on what they've noticed.

I'm glad they are adding more features, but they're totally ignorant of the features that other MMOs offer. I've pointed out that every major MMO freely shows their stats and how they work. Zenimax continues to hide the fact that melee crit affects "melee" magic (however that is determined is still cryptic). Oh yeah, Cryptic, well known for "Cryptic math". Players in EVERY mainstream MMO complain until it happens. CoH, CO, WoW, all have had to reveal or simplify their stats.

And that's just issue one.

The next is how they've handled Steam. They refused to acknowledge that other games jump into Steam headfirst, offering integration for free. That's not optional. They can't choose not to do that. People who play on Steam WILL quit on this.

It's not a matter of consumers acting immature, it's a matter of consumers flocking to the best product. The fact that they are all getting pissed off tells me this.

These things bother them, but they love the game and don't want to leave over this issue. They are begging Zenimax to work with them, but Zenimax refuses.

Zenimax is damned lucky that players are are being so patient, even if they rage, that they are pleading over and over to have treatment equal to other products.

This isn't a complaint to be treated however they want. This is a request to be treated the way customers of competing products are treated. If offerings of business are JUST business, the the customer subscribing is just business, and they WILL leave.

However, they haven't left. Not because this is a superior product, but because they are loyal and want it to work.

That's invaluable, and Zenimax is brushing it off like it's nothing.

Chrithu

Did Zenimax even officially comment yet on the wish of some of their existing players to be able to migrate to Steam and/or get the pet???

I haven't found anything from Zenimax on that yet. So saying "zenimax brushed off the concerns of their players" is a little over the top. Especially since the anouncement came on friday afternoon, they had quakecon over the weekend and it is just the following tuesday right now.

And even more the "big demand" isn't so big yet after all. This official discussion thread is "only" 7 pages long with about 30 people posting and most of them are more on about the useless pet than about the Steam integration.

I'll just wait and see. If they offer a way to migrate your game to Steam fine. If not, who cares. It is hardly a thing to quit playing over if you enjoy the game.

On another note I'd like to comment on the argument, that offering migration to Steam via Steam keys would open doors for black market sale of copies.

Easy solution to that: Use Steam's awesome APIs. It is a no brainer setting up integration of an ESO account with a Steam account and then using the API to redeem the game to your Steam Acc not via key but directly through the API, like Humble Bundle does it without the gifting option.

The thing is, Valve charges fees for those extra services (and rightly so I'd like to add) that Zenimax might not want to pay. That's the real thing stopping them. In the end that's the only explanation why after the success of Skyrim especially on Steam a realease on Steam with full integration into Steam's APIs including paying the sub via Steam, Trading Card Drops and Achievements wasn't the plan from the start.

Someone smart at Zenimax must have decided it would be more profitable to handle digital distribution of the game by themselves instead of paying valve to do it for them and expose the game to about 20 million potential players by the snap of a finger. Funny enough four months later we are here seeing them pay for valve's services on top of runnning their own distribution and still not doing it the smartest (aka most user friendly) way possible. I wonder if heads have rolled over this.