The unbreakable CC

JackDaniell

Currently it is possible to CC someone and they will not be able to break it (100%immobilize + knockdown). I don't know if this is intended or not but we would like some answers.

I have tested this "unbreakable CC" by having a friend use MULTIPLE different move combinations to execute it. I was unable to break any successfully executed CC's with a 5/5 medium pact set (-30% cc break cost reduction) and 1927 stamina at 100% stamina.

The issue here is:

1. This combo can be executed by ANY class VERY easily.
2. ZOS is not addressing whether this is a bug or intended.
3. This CC almost always results in a certain death for the victim.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Petitions]

Note: please refrain from posting about "bad" players just falling victim to this, people whining, or any class bashing. The goal of this post is to resolve the issue.

Armitas

Support.

SoulScream

support

jeradlub17_ESO

ZOS has been told about this a dozen times and it isn't the only one. They don't even acknowledge it. Somehow they seem to think being silent and not acknowledging issues is good customer service. Let alone the snail pace at which stuff gets addressed.

Honfold

Support

DeLindsay

Support

Brandoid

Support

Gilvoth

support

Mojomonkeyman

Support

Ifthir_ESO

Support, OP knows his PvP

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ or @ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ have you guys been seeing these reports of the unbreakable CC via KD/root?

By design? Anything else we can do to get more info to you?

themizario

Support

Rylana

Support, this absolutely needs to change.

ZOS_MichelleA

Hello, everyone. We are actively reading all your feedback, and encourage you to continue to share it with us, but we do ask that you please refrain from creating petition and protest organization threads on our forums. Neither allows for open, constructive discussion or exchange of ideas since most posts consist of "/signed" or "support." Instead, we ask that you offer recommendations, suggestions, or requests about topics you feel need change. In order to continue making improvements to our game, it’s important that we get details from you regarding why you like or dislike something.

We are leaving this thread open for discussion, but we've edited the post to remove the request for single-word responses. If you have any questions or concerns about this edit, or our community rules of conduct, please feel free to contact us. Thank you!

Perphection

Yet again ZOS ignores the question entirely.

Mojomonkeyman

@ZOS_MichelleA‌

If you would`ve cared to read into the issue, as explained in OP and various other threads, there is not much to discuss. Shady mechanic discovered, reported since weeks, still not a single reply on the issue from official side.

This thread is made out of desperation, how about you ask someone in charge (regarding the issue) to give us a piece of information on the matter?

Thanks & best regards

Morostyle

Supported - this is utterly stupid in PVP!

Tai

We just wanted a five words answer:
We are looking into this.

SoulScream

Smashing keys with full stam to break CC and nothing. Do not want!

demonlkojipub19_ESO

ZOS_MichelleA wrote: »

Hello, everyone. We are actively reading all your feedback, and encourage you to continue to share it with us, but we do ask that you please refrain from creating petition and protest organization threads on our forums. Neither allows for open, constructive discussion or exchange of ideas since most posts consist of "/signed" or "support." Instead, we ask that you offer recommendations, suggestions, or requests about topics you feel need change. In order to continue making improvements to our game, it’s important that we get details from you regarding why you like or dislike something.

We are leaving this thread open for discussion, but we've edited the post to remove the request for single-word responses. If you have any questions or concerns about this edit, or our community rules of conduct, please feel free to contact us. Thank you!

Can you guys acknowledge this bug to us at least?

Halrloprillalar

Also getting knocked down with immovable up. Derp

Lowbei

no aknowledgement of the issue and edits to remove the part they didnt like

thanks zos, your community manager is really good lol

PlagueMonk

I have been on the receiving end of unbreakable CC many times but because I can't readily SEE the status effects on me (because the don't show on the main screen) I have no idea what causes it exactly.

I can say though that I often am unable to even roll of of Burning Talons DESPITE having stamina. I try and try but by then it's too late, the DK has dropped a Standard of Might and since I can't move am taking damage from the Talons, Standard AND the DK themselves. Real BS cheezeball combo imho.

Vizier

Support

bsheffield2008ub17_ESO

Instead of making another thread 6923 on unbreakable CC. How about you find out the combinations of an unbreakable CC and post it. It would expedite the fix if ZOS had some good starting points.

Need an example? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113105/video-unbreakable-stun#latest

Ifthir_ESO

JackDaniell wrote: »

3. This CC almost always results in a certain death for the victim.

And sadly is used almost 99% of the time now in fights. Its not fun, the victim has literally no chance.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Does this occur when an immobilize is executed before the knockdown or after?

I have noticed that certain gap closers (with CC) will hit before a projectile (also with CC that has been cast before the gap closer) hits.

Example:

Sorc: you can cast a crystal shard and then use 2h charge to reach you opponent before the shard hits.

Does this work the same with with templar. Can you throw a knockback spear and stun with a gap closer before the spear hits?

Does this proc the unbreakable CC?

SBR_QuorTek

Everyone can get out of the knockdown meaning stunned not able to attack at all in that case CC break work, but immobilized is another thing different thing meaning one is rooted one place and can't move away BUT still counter attack/defend.

Combination of a knock down + root = you can break the knockdown but will still be rooted, ergo you must fight back or have a counter to it, depending on what your goal in pvp is.

Left + right mouse button, have block ready just in case.. instantly use a knockback on the opponent and you have the time to either get some distance... since the root is only briefly or stand your ground... bit class and setup dependent.

What I read out from this... is that you are completely defenceless during this?

Every class can also acquire moves to be able to push away an enemy that has rooted you.. maybe that should be a part of the repetoire during combat... maybe replacing it with the 'blink blink' or something.

As it is, as it don't appear broken on my computer at all.. before for an instance gotten knocked down by an NPC for then taloned right after... can break the knockdown... but not the root, but then you just fight back from it.

On note there is multiple stuns and roots in this game, vs 1 and vs many

Anyhow this is just my two cents to the debate.

Edit:
If not good at blocking a good way to train it, is to create a tank toon, then you will learn for good.

PlagueMonk

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

Everyone can get out of the knockdown meaning stunned not able to attack at all in that case CC break work, but immobilized is another thing different thing meaning one is rooted one place and can't move away BUT still counter attack/defend.

Combination of a knock down + root = you can break the knockdown but will still be rooted, ergo you must fight back or have a counter to it, depending on what your goal in pvp is.

Left + right mouse button, have block ready just in case.. instantly use a knockback on the opponent and you have the time to either get some distance... since the root is only briefly or stand your ground... bit class and setup dependent.

What I read out from this... is that you are completely defenceless during this?

Every class can also acquire moves to be able to push away an enemy that has rooted you.. maybe that should be a part of the repetoire during combat... maybe replacing it with the 'blink blink' or something.

As it is, as it don't appear broken on my computer at all.. before for an instance gotten knocked down by an NPC for then taloned right after... can break the knockdown... but not the root, but then you just fight back from it.

On note there is multiple stuns and roots in this game, vs 1 and vs many

Anyhow this is just my two cents to the debate.

Edit:
If not good at blocking a good way to train it, is to create a tank toon, then you will learn for good.

This is all well and good but in the fast paced world of PvP combat we don't have 30 secs to react to all this in a calm and planned manner and have our ducks in a row. When I'm KD and then have a SoM popped on me and then taloned, I have LITERALLY 2-3 secs before I'm dead. Even if I break free I have still lost 2/3 of my health and die soon after. I can occasionally get away if I'm at full stamina but more often than not my death reads, "SoM, Talons, talons, talons, lash (or some other random attack to finish me off quickly).

It's a BS cheezeball combo.

pppontus

I'm pretty sure the problem is that when you are knocked down and rooted while laying down - you (sometimes?) cannot break the knockdown CC, and cannot roll dodge the root (+ DoT from Talons). A.k.a you can't do anything at all even tho you have the stamina to break.

However I'm hopeful this is now fixed in 1.3 if CC immunity works as expected.

Rylana

pppontus wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the problem is that when you are knocked down and rooted while laying down - you (sometimes?) cannot break the knockdown CC, and cannot roll dodge the root (+ DoT from Talons). A.k.a you can't do anything at all even tho you have the stamina to break.

However I'm hopeful this is now fixed in 1.3 if CC immunity works as expected.

This ^

If you are stunned and unable to bash/block to prevent the knockdown, you are literally pinned to the ground with no counter for the entire duration of the knockdown, no saving throw. Effectively the stun effect carries through the duration of the knockdown.

its BS, hopefully the new 3 second absolute immunity destroys this completely gimp mechanic

SoulScream

Yes you lay there on the ground napping for around four seconds and can't do anything. I have lived through it when the attacker was gone after by guild members that's about it.