DAGGERFALL COVENENT EXPLOITING AND CHEATING

Ezze

Rylana wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

For example, Dragon Leap from ground outside keep to third floor INSIDE keep.

No walls down at all

So he burned his ultimate to get up to you

Why didnt you all rush and kill him knowing he didnt have a banner to drop?

Sounds legit to me... using video game skills to make someone rage.

Ezze

I think the moral of the story is...

Daoc you could scale walls... so is it surprising that there is a ability in ESO that does the same?

Id like an official response on whether it is or is not an exploit. I cant take one rage quitters opinion as credible.

Lowbei

ABILITY USER!

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Ezze wrote: »

I think the moral of the story is...

Daoc you could scale walls... so is it surprising that there is a ability in ESO that does the same?

Id like an official response on whether it is or is not an exploit. I cant take one rage quitters opinion as credible.

Didn't they say recently they were aware of the issue and were looking to fix it. I don't remember where I read that though. Something that was just general updates and nothing else.

It's obviously an exploit, anyway. They wouldn't intentionally give a single class the ability to bypass all defenses like that. Plus, siege warfare, much of what this is centered on, is rendered useless by it. Just have a bunch of DKs leap over the wall.

Rylana

Anecdotal but true...

I just watched a DC sorc spam invisibility over and over. No it wasnt mist form, no it wasnt a potion.

Brings into question if theres a way to get skill lines someone shouldnt have access to. This has happened before in other games.

kirnmalidus

Wolfahm wrote: »

he's made that DC guild took over his crappy home of Auriel's Bow where they are under the illusion that they are good at the game due to owning the map with out numbering zergs. Sad sad people.

That would be against the forum TOS. Explaining how to do an exploit is not allowed.

Lowbei

who says its an exploit? you? pfft

Fshober28b14_ESO

It doesn't matter what faction is doing this on which campaign, this shouldn't be happening at all! This should have been IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATED...servers should have been brought down right away and test to confirm the Dragonleap is being exploited, and do an emergency hot fix(or at the very least disable the skill until a solution can be found).

Mass numbers of us saw the exploit happening and supposedly someone(s) have video evidence that exists of what was witnessed posted on youtube. This happened in our campaign AURIEL'S BOW Monday night the 7th. There were just under 2 raids worth of DC players consisting of some known players, who's names I am not allowed to mention here on forums, that came in and did this.

It's very poor judgment and unprofessional as a business to just let the exploitable skill persist in that state and tick off the people playing this game whichever campaign they are in and this is happening. Because of this one problem and its heavy abuse, it caused an entire faction of people I enjoyed playing with a lot to just vacate the whole campaign! Many quit the game because that was their last straw...and I don't blame them...who wants to continue to play the game they are paying to play by the company that makes it and lets this kind of thing linger? I am very disappointed this has come to this.

Fshober28b14_ESO

Aprodite wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

The DC has killed the PVP zone. The exploits of Dragon Leap and other abilities have killed the zone. This has been going on for two days with everyone reporting.

You need to resolve this problem that has killed the PVP zone and rendered useless in the game. You need ban the players and make a major announcement that cheating is not tolerated. You need to punish the almost alliance wide exploits by the DC with a map reset to yesterday am EST.

I play on AB Eur and I have seen this when we were defending a keep. I didn;t know what was going on, enemy inside the keep and innerwall was not down. Ppl were telling me that this was legal and not an exploit. I don't know but it don't feels good.

Iogic(not rumor) dictates that is not a legal acceptable use of the skill to do this, or else what's the point of siege weaponry and breaking down walls?

Things like this just keep driving people away when they exist at all, but especially more so when there is a very slow response to these more critical exploits...it only further compounds the issue and further enflames players to drive them to quit.

If ZoS responds saying this is an acceptable 'tactical use' of the skill, stick a fork in me...I'm done.

yorzo

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

Aprodite wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

The DC has killed the PVP zone. The exploits of Dragon Leap and other abilities have killed the zone. This has been going on for two days with everyone reporting.

You need to resolve this problem that has killed the PVP zone and rendered useless in the game. You need ban the players and make a major announcement that cheating is not tolerated. You need to punish the almost alliance wide exploits by the DC with a map reset to yesterday am EST.

I play on AB Eur and I have seen this when we were defending a keep. I didn;t know what was going on, enemy inside the keep and innerwall was not down. Ppl were telling me that this was legal and not an exploit. I don't know but it don't feels good.

Iogic(not rumor) dictates that is not a legal acceptable use of the skill to do this, or else what's the point of siege weaponry and breaking down walls?

Things like this just keep driving people away when they exist at all, but especially more so when there is a very slow response to these more critical exploits...it only further compounds the issue and further enflames players to drive them to quit.

If ZoS responds saying this is an acceptable 'tactical use' of the skill, stick a fork in me...I'm done.

for the last time you CAN NOT cap a flag/keep without having walls broken down, and the 2 times we had 3-4 people use dragon leap on the last ad home keeps, we were met by 40 people and ended up wiping, no harm was done at most a distraction for alittle while as other players continued to siege. It is pretty obvious we wont do this again due to the ocean of tears. The over reaction and amount of QQ has went from entertaining to just annoying, get over it, not like anything would have changed if we didn't have those 3-4 people practically commit suicide...

Tintinabula

Wanna know how long it took them to mess with chains? 3 months..How long do you think it will take their investigative team to mess with dragonleap?

Zintair

Only things I have seen are scroll exploits, speed and damage.

I don't think it is game ending. Things have happened on all sides. You obviously never dealt with the radar exploit in DAOC.

Armitas

yorzo wrote: »

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

Aprodite wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

The DC has killed the PVP zone. The exploits of Dragon Leap and other abilities have killed the zone. This has been going on for two days with everyone reporting.

You need to resolve this problem that has killed the PVP zone and rendered useless in the game. You need ban the players and make a major announcement that cheating is not tolerated. You need to punish the almost alliance wide exploits by the DC with a map reset to yesterday am EST.

I play on AB Eur and I have seen this when we were defending a keep. I didn;t know what was going on, enemy inside the keep and innerwall was not down. Ppl were telling me that this was legal and not an exploit. I don't know but it don't feels good.

Iogic(not rumor) dictates that is not a legal acceptable use of the skill to do this, or else what's the point of siege weaponry and breaking down walls?

Things like this just keep driving people away when they exist at all, but especially more so when there is a very slow response to these more critical exploits...it only further compounds the issue and further enflames players to drive them to quit.

If ZoS responds saying this is an acceptable 'tactical use' of the skill, stick a fork in me...I'm done.

for the last time you CAN NOT cap a flag/keep without having walls broken down, and the 2 times we had 3-4 people use dragon leap on the last ad home keeps, we were met by 40 people and ended up wiping, no harm was done at most a distraction for alittle while as other players continued to siege. It is pretty obvious we wont do this again due to the ocean of tears. The over reaction and amount of QQ has went from entertaining to just annoying, get over it, not like anything would have changed if we didn't have those 3-4 people practically commit suicide...

You can still take the scroll which makes your point moot.

STOP ABUSING THE GAME AND GETTING OUR SKILLS NERFED! DK reach is barely functional now because of you people and you have already moved on to killing the next skill.

Aeaeren

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

It doesn't matter what faction is doing this on which campaign, this shouldn't be happening at all! This should have been IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATED...servers should have been brought down right away and test to confirm the Dragonleap is being exploited, and do an emergency hot fix(or at the very least disable the skill until a solution can be found).

One question how exactly do you know this is an exploit? Is it because only one class can do it? Is it because you believe that you have to take down a wall first? Just curious because the word exploit seems to be toss around an awful lot these days as just zoning is becoming an exploit. Has ZOS said this was unintended and we will ban people for it? Maybe it was unintended but they have no issue with it.

It's been a long long time since I played DoAC but my Gawd are these threads soooooo similar to what was being said back then. I get we have unbalanced in the game, but it seems to me if one person can't do something another can it is becoming an exploit and the screaming begins. I am not defending Dragon Leap or taking a keep via this method, I am just curious to why everything is becoming an exploit in a game that is supposed to be about fighting and why all of a sudden everything has to have care bear rules around it. If a DKs can do this then you should expect it and plan for it. It's like fiery grip, they destroyed that skill instead of fixing it to where one can't get into the Safe spawn areas. Using it to pull people off the wall or up to the wall added an element of fear to the game. Now it's nothing but range as grip no longer works on the z-axis so I guess when people start screaming about range weapons it will become an exploit also? I haven't see anything from ZOS about using Fiery grip to bring people into the keep as an exploit, and personally I would never do it and have suggested we be allowed to kill the traitor/s but traitors ARE a fact of life and should be expected. Dragon Leaping into a keep is just another way of getting into the keep, same as you paying off some poor slob inside to open the door for you so you don't have to siege it. One issue I do have is you're allowed to have toons in the different alliances so I can roll up an AD/EP DK and chain my buddies up to the wall so the can get in. It is a cheap way of doing it but I can see that point. This is why I loved Shadowbane, I could kill anyone almost anywhere at any time. One big difference though about ESO and DoAC, every side has access to the same class/same class combinations and skills. No Midguard healers who have all the CC and healing that the other alliances needed 2 toons to do. The field of battle is even and fair, you just need to use the same tools when it comes to things like Dragon Leap.

Dleatherus

EDIT: apologies - youtube link borked - will try again later

D.

leewells

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

For example, Dragon Leap from ground outside keep to third floor INSIDE keep.

No walls down at all

So they actually put the mechanical equivalent of ladders in the game to somewhat honor the trailer? Awesome!

Wait, I must know; how is using an ability as described an exploit?

The whole emp farming/exploit subject has rocked the exploit train completely off its tracks -- its quite sad to see how hive mentality to lead to this low state of collective intelligence.

Chaining people up onto a wall didn't used to be an exploit (yes since ZOS stopped it, if you do it now, it is an exploit). Chaining your friends up so they could sneak in and grab a scroll or flip the keep with hardly no one in it, while stil not an exploit, it is grief and disruptive behavior.

I kinda miss hitting a DK with eclipse right before he tried to chain me down, to chain him up and then instantly drop a nova and stun on him. The carebears have officially dumpstered this really awesome feature in the game.

Aeaeren

leewells wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

For example, Dragon Leap from ground outside keep to third floor INSIDE keep.

No walls down at all

So they actually put the mechanical equivalent of ladders in the game to somewhat honor the trailer? Awesome!

Wait, I must know; how is using an ability as described an exploit?

The whole emp farming/exploit subject has rocked the exploit train completely off its tracks -- its quite sad to see how hive mentality to lead to this low state of collective intelligence.

Chaining people up onto a wall didn't used to be an exploit (yes since ZOS stopped it, if you do it now, it is an exploit). Chaining your friends up so they could sneak in and grab a scroll or flip the keep with hardly no one in it, while stil not an exploit, it is grief and disruptive behavior.

I kinda miss hitting a DK with eclipse right before he tried to chain me down, to chain him up and then instantly drop a nova and stun on him. The carebears have officially dumpstered this really awesome feature in the game.

Can you see my argument on Impluse now on why they shouldn't change it?

frwinters_ESO

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

Again to make this clear,
Auriels Bow, north american server needs reset and cleaning out, the hammer must fall. And why do people play games just to hack? Dont get it, sounds really stupid. Like holding cards up your sleeve in poker, are you that bored in your life?

Well all current campaigns are coming to an end early August for 5 new campaigns so its a moot point. Either guest elsewhere or just play for now until its all redone.

leewells

Aeaeren wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

barbg88ub17_ESO wrote: »

For example, Dragon Leap from ground outside keep to third floor INSIDE keep.

No walls down at all

So they actually put the mechanical equivalent of ladders in the game to somewhat honor the trailer? Awesome!

Wait, I must know; how is using an ability as described an exploit?

The whole emp farming/exploit subject has rocked the exploit train completely off its tracks -- its quite sad to see how hive mentality to lead to this low state of collective intelligence.

Chaining people up onto a wall didn't used to be an exploit (yes since ZOS stopped it, if you do it now, it is an exploit). Chaining your friends up so they could sneak in and grab a scroll or flip the keep with hardly no one in it, while stil not an exploit, it is grief and disruptive behavior.

I kinda miss hitting a DK with eclipse right before he tried to chain me down, to chain him up and then instantly drop a nova and stun on him. The carebears have officially dumpstered this really awesome feature in the game.

Can you see my argument on Impluse now on why they shouldn't change it?

I never said impulse was an exploit -- I said it was op and should be looked at for sake of balance with stamina based equivalents. IE, if stamina aoes can be blocked, then so should magic aoes -- if stamina aoe ratios for damage:cost is high, then so should magic aoes bare the same ratio. A nerf isn't exactly necessary -- but they at least need to remove the ability for stamina AOE's to be blocked and need to balance the cost to damage ratio.

Invalidsalad

Auriel's Bow has seen a lot of abuse of exploits recently. I really dislike the comments of "DC has ruined it." and "It was alliance wide." That isn't really fair to the DC players that haven't been abusing things. Dragon leap is really irritating right now, though.

Lowbei

i love how zergers like to blame "exploits" when then get farmed.

Aeaeren

leewells wrote: »

I never said impulse was an exploit -- I said it was op and should be looked at for sake of balance with stamina based equivalents. IE, if stamina aoes can be blocked, then so should magic aoes -- if stamina aoe ratios for damage:cost is high, then so should magic aoes bare the same ratio. A nerf isn't exactly necessary -- but they at least need to remove the ability for stamina AOE's to be blocked and need to balance the cost to damage ratio.

Hmm I see a valid point here except Magic isn't really a physical thing where as some dude in leotards spinning with blades in his hands is ... well physical. I can see some adjustment needed for the leos, but being able to block out AoEs just ruins that spell period. Everyone will be running around block and then back here screaming about not having enough stamina to move beyond the keep door.

Fshober28b14_ESO

Aeaeren wrote: »

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

It doesn't matter what faction is doing this on which campaign, this shouldn't be happening at all! This should have been IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATED...servers should have been brought down right away and test to confirm the Dragonleap is being exploited, and do an emergency hot fix(or at the very least disable the skill until a solution can be found).

One question how exactly do you know this is an exploit? Is it because only one class can do it? Is it because you believe that you have to take down a wall first? Just curious because the word exploit seems to be toss around an awful lot these days as just zoning is becoming an exploit. Has ZOS said this was unintended and we will ban people for it? Maybe it was unintended but they have no issue with it.

you dont need Zen to hand hold you and tell you that that skill ws not intended to scale not only one floor up at an outer wall, but even to a 3rd floor of an inner keep as well....and not breaking down any walls or gates at all...THINK it THROUGH, what's the point of seige then? Just dragon leap up to a planted mule alt on the AD faction....grab all the scrolls and run off. the DC DK's that were using it this way had planted mule alts from our AD faction to do it to. Once the 'legit' AD players saw what was happeneing they all back of from the walls....while...wait for it.....the mules didn't move.

AND...FFS YES RULES are necessary....for example, what competitive sporting match of any kind, including gaming, does not have proper rule sets?? Are you really that out of touch with reality?

Fshober28b14_ESO

for the last time you CAN NOT cap a flag/keep without having walls broken down, and the 2 times we had 3-4 people use dragon leap on the last ad home keeps, we were met by 40 people and ended up wiping, no harm was done at most a distraction for alittle while as other players continued to siege. It is pretty obvious we wont do this again due to the ocean of tears. The over reaction and amount of QQ has went from entertaining to just annoying, get over it, not like anything would have changed if we didn't have those 3-4 people practically commit suicide...

i didn't mention capping anything in my reply you originally quoted with your reply above.....POINT IS: for those that keep abusing the game at every damned turn they can..... STOP EXPLOITING... YOU ARE RUINING THE GAME...YOU ARE DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY...YOU ARE NOT IMPROVING THE GAME OR THE ATMOSPHERE......Have some effing sense and have SPORTSMANSHIP and play properly.

yorzo

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

Aeaeren wrote: »

Fshober28b14_ESO wrote: »

It doesn't matter what faction is doing this on which campaign, this shouldn't be happening at all! This should have been IMMEDIATELY INVESTIGATED...servers should have been brought down right away and test to confirm the Dragonleap is being exploited, and do an emergency hot fix(or at the very least disable the skill until a solution can be found).

One question how exactly do you know this is an exploit? Is it because only one class can do it? Is it because you believe that you have to take down a wall first? Just curious because the word exploit seems to be toss around an awful lot these days as just zoning is becoming an exploit. Has ZOS said this was unintended and we will ban people for it? Maybe it was unintended but they have no issue with it.

you dont need Zen to hand hold you and tell you that that skill ws not intended to scale not only one floor up at an outer wall, but even to a 3rd floor of an inner keep as well....and not breaking down any walls or gates at all...THINK it THROUGH, what's the point of seige then? Just dragon leap up to a planted mule alt on the AD faction....grab all the scrolls and run off. the DC DK's that were using it this way had planted mule alts from our AD faction to do it to. Once the 'legit' AD players saw what was happeneing they all back of from the walls....while...wait for it.....the mules didn't move.

AND...FFS YES RULES are necessary....for example, what competitive sporting match of any kind, including gaming, does not have proper rule sets?? Are you really that out of touch with reality?

Why are you still lying about this alt bs. We have never used a alt to jump to, place siege, spy, any of that. The one and only time we had a ad alt log was AFTER we took everything possible and was to troll your zone chat and troll moon pie (which was way to successful obviously). And quit crying about this dragon leap stuff, we did it on two useless keeps and practically committed suicide the only 2! times we did it (such a HUGE advantage for us right). Have fun on whatever other campaign you are currently getting steamrolled on, can't wait to see the QQ posts about them every other day. Oh one more thing, you're actually going to tell me to have some sportsmanship LOL. Every other day since reset there has been forum/reddit posts about how in some way or another DC on auriels bow is exploiting, which has been disproven every time till we actually did something questionable and you quit. Every single time I was online for when your crew got emp back from us I congratulated you, but every time we got emp boom another slander post. You have to learn how to lose before you can learn to win.

Lowbei

honestly it looks like yorzo is crushing it in here

protip, blaming your failures on exploits does not help you become better players.

thewisguyub17_ESO

Well, this has been a fun and informative read.
So here's the thing:

1) Until Zeni comments on whether or not this use of Dragon Leap is acceptable or not, calling it an "exploit" is unjustified. You can all it a "possible exploit" all you want. I don't know if it's an exploit or not, but Zeni cannot ban people for doing something wrong until such time as they have actually said "It's wrong." Forgive me, but I am a *** for semantics like that
2) Placing the bulk or entirety of blame for this on one faction is just absurd. Every faction has access to Dragon Knights, so it cannot possibly be a DC only problem. It may very well turn out that this is an unintended and unwanted use of that ability, but the tone of this thread would make it seem as though only DC Dragon Knights would need a skill change, which is just silly. Forgive me, but I'm a *** for logic like that.
3) There's been a marked decline in many campaigns in simple response to the announcement of the impending overhaul of the PvP system. You can't possibly say with any certainty that any particular faction, guild, group, class, or player is responsible for the "death of PvP." Forgive me, but I'm a *** for reason like that.

So please, take a deep breath, pet a kitten, or do whetever else you need to do to calm down. The lack of Zeni commentary on this is most likely also due to the up-coming overhaul, and IF this is an unintended use of a skill, I'm sure they will address it then.

::Edited for typos::

Junipus

TBH, if people's reactions to those using tactics such as leaping onto walls are to cry and scream and shout then the game will be much better if you all left so we can continue to play in peace.

How about those who cry do something productive and make note of those players who use this "exploit" and report them in game? It'll get your supposed grievance looked at and not make you look like a bunch of 5 year old QQers

Insurrektion

I'm DC on AB. I've never seen this done a single time yet. It's most likely a small group of people that were all together in a guild doing it together. As for EP, last night we were raiding a small outpost of AD's and an EP was watching from a distance. We didn't bother because EP didn't pose a threat at that moment. We didn't fight WITH him, more like he was just a bystander that went and hid and we had more important things to do like raid your keep than to track down 1 person who wasn't going to engage us, just for a cheesy kill.

Schallen

This game turned into who can exploit the most.