Class action lawsuit

Marcaeus

Slash8915 wrote: »

Marcaeus wrote: »

I'm paying a subscription to play this game. I'm not able to play this game in its current state. They're refusing to refund or give courtesy subscription costs back to the players when the game has been unplayable for this month's fee. That's stealing thousands of player's money.

You can take litigation for whatever reasons you choose regardless of ToS, or contracts, so I beg to differ.

I'm assuming you're able to get into the game, correct? Then it's playable by legal definition.

Please site that legal definition.

nerevarine1138

bitaken wrote: »

Well, it's certainly getting responses

Reality is we all paid real money for the product. They have not been able to make the product function - and some of us have paid $120 roughly as of about now.

Tell me it's unrealistic to say that someone sold you something for$120.00 and its not what they said it was - in the US - and some judge won't at least listen.

And...some blood sucking attorney would not take the case with 20,000 people ready to give him 1/3 of the total sum. 800,000 to the lawyer...not a bad day's work!!

If someone tells you that they're selling you a car with an engine, and you find there's no engine, then you have the basis for a lawsuit.

When someone sells you a car, and after driving around for a few weeks, you decide that the car isn't as fun to drive as you thought it would be, you are not entitled to sue.

Marcaeus

bitaken wrote: »

Well, it's certainly getting responses

Reality is we all paid real money for the product. They have not been able to make the product function - and some of us have paid $120 roughly as of about now.

Tell me it's unrealistic to say that someone sold you something for$120.00 and its not what they said it was - in the US - and some judge won't at least listen.

And...some blood sucking attorney would not take the case with 20,000 people ready to give him 1/3 of the total sum. 800,000 to the lawyer...not a bad day's work!!

Probitas

Virtual goods have no value in the US. At best, it's 1$. That site giving value to virtual goods likely has something to do with those gold farming sites, tracking value for them locally. Otherwise why bother with it. Certainly they'd have no legal merit anywhere else in the world.

Slash8915

bitaken wrote: »

Well, it's certainly getting responses

Reality is we all paid real money for the product. They have not been able to make the product function - and some of us have paid $120 roughly as of about now.

Then I would just cancel my sub and take it as a loss.

I once lost $30,000 on a horse. She just... ran off with it.

MasterSpatula

Better call Saul!

SystemiK

Did I just hear someone say "They're refusing to refund or give courtesy subscription costs back to the players"

OMFG most hilarious thing I've read in weeks....some of you people are *** hilarious, keep em coming.

nerevarine1138

Slash8915 wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Well, it's certainly getting responses

Reality is we all paid real money for the product. They have not been able to make the product function - and some of us have paid $120 roughly as of about now.

Then I would just cancel my sub and take it as a loss.

I once lost $30,000 on a horse. She just... ran off with it.

There are some countries where you can be jailed for puns like that...

Malpherian

Actually Blizzard entertainment loses Lawsuits all the time, IN fact many of the ones they attempt to do on Private servers end up back firing on them, with the judge ruling they are to pay the defendant. They just have so much money they don't care.

There are several reasons why ESO "could" (and that's really the key word there), suffer a Class action lawsuit, one is False advertisement of the Product, this applies when the advertised product does not provide the promised service. Which ZOS has in droves currently.

You can also apply this to things such as the Daedric Armor, which is visually advertised in many of their Cinematic trailers, and while this normally would not be an issue that specific armor set is a huge part of the lore for TES games therefore the appearance of that set in the cinematic "Combined" with the ability to craft the set in game AND it's similarity to previous TES games looks, is an obvious advertisement of the armor set.

Yet in game it appears as the "Shredder Costume". (and it actually is 95% an exact copy of the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles Shredder outfit) Which can be viewed as copyright trademark infringement.

Just to name a few.

There are about 30 reasons I can name off the top of my head for why a legitimate class action suit against ZOS could be made, most would not be won of course, but a few would.

ThisOnePosts

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Better call Saul!

As long as he brings all of his shoes and glasses, the judge may at least hear him out.

UrQuan

Marcaeus wrote: »

I'm paying a subscription to play this game. I'm not able to play this game in its current state.

Really? It won't launch? Or it launches but crashes and you can't do anything in the game? If neither of those 2 things is true, then you are certainly able to play the game in its current state. Or are you going to try to claim in court that stamina being less powerful than magicka means that you're not able to play the game?

Slash8915

God, I hope the mods don't close this thread for a while. It's just so full of win.

nerevarine1138

Malpherian wrote: »

Actually Blizzard entertainment loses Class Action Lawsuits all the time, IN fact many of the ones they attempt to do on Private servers end up back firing on them, with the judge ruling they are to pay the defendant. They just have so much money they don't care.

There are several reasons why ESO could and thats really the key word there, suffer a Class action lawsuit, one is False advertisement of the Product, this applies when the advertised product does not provide the promised service. Which ZOS has in droves currently.

You can also apply this to things such as the Daedric Armor, which is visually advertised in all of their Cinematic trailers, and while this normally would not be an issue that specific armor set is a huge part of the lore for TES games therefore the appearance of that set in the cinematic, is an obvious advertisement of the armor set.

Yet in game it appears as the "Shredder Costume". (and it actually is 95% an exact copy of the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles Shredder outfit) Which can be viewed as copyright trademark infringement.

Just to name a few.

There are about 30 reasons I can name off the top of my head for why a legitimate class action suit against ZOS could be made, most would not be won of course, but a few would.

I have no idea why you would feel the need to lie about class action suits with Blizzard, but just to educate any poor saps who might believe you:

Blizzard sued a bot-developer and won. They won $7,000,000. That's the only suit regarding WoW that Blizzard has ever been involved in.

VileIntent

Mablung wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

lol, bugs constitute lawsuits? Goodness, calm down........

Why should he calm down? He is not getting what he paid for. I find that people who post infrequently or are first time posters coming here with complaints, are definitely indicators that there are some major issues with the game.

Zenimax should be concerned when formerly quiet players begin to speak out.

because most people assume every mmo developer out there is a AAA. This is a brand new company, using cutting edge technology . The primary issue to me is the size of the company. It takes time to create and fix things as they are going, taking money from them with QQ about free to play is just stupid. Give it some time impatient ***.
I am just as frustrated, but i realize the complexity of what they are doing with the amount of people they are doing it with.

Slash8915

VileIntent wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

lol, bugs constitute lawsuits? Goodness, calm down........

Why should he calm down? He is not getting what he paid for. I find that people who post infrequently or are first time posters coming here with complaints, are definitely indicators that there are some major issues with the game.

Zenimax should be concerned when formerly quiet players begin to speak out.

because most people assume every mmo developer out there is a AAA. This is a brand new company, using cutting edge technology . The primary issue to me is the size of the company. It takes time to create and fix things as they are going, taking money from them with QQ about free to play is just stupid. Give it some time impatient ***.
I am just as frustrated, but i realize the complexity of what they are doing with the amount of people they are doing it with.

LOL at you thinking Zenimax is a "new company".

Armianlee

Hmmm. Wonder how far that is going to take you?

Marcaeus

Malpherian wrote: »

Actually Blizzard entertainment loses Class Action Lawsuits all the time, IN fact many of the ones they attempt to do on Private servers end up back firing on them, with the judge ruling they are to pay the defendant. They just have so much money they don't care.

There are several reasons why ESO "could" (and that's really the key word there), suffer a Class action lawsuit, one is False advertisement of the Product, this applies when the advertised product does not provide the promised service. Which ZOS has in droves currently.

You can also apply this to things such as the Daedric Armor, which is visually advertised in many of their Cinematic trailers, and while this normally would not be an issue that specific armor set is a huge part of the lore for TES games therefore the appearance of that set in the cinematic "Combined" with the ability to craft the set in game AND it's similarity to previous TES games looks, is an obvious advertisement of the armor set.

Yet in game it appears as the "Shredder Costume". (and it actually is 95% an exact copy of the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles Shredder outfit) Which can be viewed as copyright trademark infringement.

Just to name a few.

There are about 30 reasons I can name off the top of my head for why a legitimate class action suit against ZOS could be made, most would not be won of course, but a few would.

Esha76

"Sue Everybody!" - Sol Rosenburg

nerevarine1138

Why do you keep quoting bad posts without actually writing your own comments?

ferzalrwb17_ESO

VileIntent wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

lol, bugs constitute lawsuits? Goodness, calm down........

Why should he calm down? He is not getting what he paid for. I find that people who post infrequently or are first time posters coming here with complaints, are definitely indicators that there are some major issues with the game.

Zenimax should be concerned when formerly quiet players begin to speak out.

because most people assume every mmo developer out there is a AAA. This is a brand new company, using cutting edge technology . The primary issue to me is the size of the company. It takes time to create and fix things as they are going, taking money from them with QQ about free to play is just stupid. Give it some time impatient ***.
I am just as frustrated, but i realize the complexity of what they are doing with the amount of people they are doing it with.

Can you share your special insight into what they are doing and the amount of people they are doing it with?

MonkeyAssassin24

Best. Thread. EVER.

Does this fall under the guise of a quit thread? I hope not. Even better, I hope the forum admins actually make an addendum to the rules to add "No threads threatening or supporting legal recourse against Zenimax Online or its subsidiaries." This would truly be a win for the plaintiff...I mean, OP.

AngryWolf

Slash8915

Marcaeus wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Actually Blizzard entertainment loses Class Action Lawsuits all the time, IN fact many of the ones they attempt to do on Private servers end up back firing on them, with the judge ruling they are to pay the defendant. They just have so much money they don't care.

There are several reasons why ESO "could" (and that's really the key word there), suffer a Class action lawsuit, one is False advertisement of the Product, this applies when the advertised product does not provide the promised service. Which ZOS has in droves currently.

You can also apply this to things such as the Daedric Armor, which is visually advertised in many of their Cinematic trailers, and while this normally would not be an issue that specific armor set is a huge part of the lore for TES games therefore the appearance of that set in the cinematic "Combined" with the ability to craft the set in game AND it's similarity to previous TES games looks, is an obvious advertisement of the armor set.

Yet in game it appears as the "Shredder Costume". (and it actually is 95% an exact copy of the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles Shredder outfit) Which can be viewed as copyright trademark infringement.

Just to name a few.

There are about 30 reasons I can name off the top of my head for why a legitimate class action suit against ZOS could be made, most would not be won of course, but a few would.

I like how you just quote things without adding any input.

Hadria

I love when these "lawsuit" threads pop up they're so fun!

LrdRahvin

Slash8915 wrote: »

VileIntent wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

lol, bugs constitute lawsuits? Goodness, calm down........

Why should he calm down? He is not getting what he paid for. I find that people who post infrequently or are first time posters coming here with complaints, are definitely indicators that there are some major issues with the game.

Zenimax should be concerned when formerly quiet players begin to speak out.

because most people assume every mmo developer out there is a AAA. This is a brand new company, using cutting edge technology . The primary issue to me is the size of the company. It takes time to create and fix things as they are going, taking money from them with QQ about free to play is just stupid. Give it some time impatient ***.
I am just as frustrated, but i realize the complexity of what they are doing with the amount of people they are doing it with.

LOL at you thinking Zenimax is a "new company".

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KariTR

Mablung wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

lol, bugs constitute lawsuits? Goodness, calm down........

Why should he calm down? He is not getting what he paid for. I find that people who post infrequently or are first time posters coming here with complaints, are definitely indicators that there are some major issues with the game.

Zenimax should be concerned when formerly quiet players begin to speak out.

The only thing it is a sign of is that, sadly, some people are unhinged.

onlinegamer1

christopher.pesapaneub17_ESO wrote: »

As someone who actually graduated law school this thread is pretty laughable. I won't go into all the small details but most importantly you need to show damages that a lawsuit of any kind is supposed to remedy. I don't see how your unhappiness with a product you purchased constitutes damages.

Perhaps you should go back to law school and study up on "consumer protection law" a bit more. When people do not get a service they paid for, they get a refund or sue in small claims court for one.

SystemiK

Malpherian wrote: »

Actually Blizzard entertainment loses Class Action Lawsuits all the time

I'd like some links please (being so common you should easily be able to provide links to a couple of judgements). Actual losses in a court of law, not news items about some frivolous lawsuit that was thrown out. Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass.

Marcaeus

Lots of forum posts. Perhaps players can't play the game, so they're on here white knighting it. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't see how they can charge you money to watch a slow motion slideshow where you spend more time restarting your launcher than actually being able to do anything functional in a game.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

Who are these people with the time and money on their hands to sue a company for a product they choose to pay for?