[SUGGESTION] Account wide achievements change.

brandon

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The_Sadist wrote: »

Of the individuals against the suggestion there's very little reasons behind their logic being posted.

But I suppose it was to be expected.

The individuals against account wide achievements almost equaled the ones wanting it. I think that speaks for itself.

PS hey you got a ZOS employee to vote in the poll. He's in the unsure votes.

The_Sadist

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brandon wrote: »

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The individuals against account wide achievements almost equaled the ones wanting it. I think that speaks for itself.

PS hey you got a ZOS employee to vote in the poll. He's in the unsure votes.

Given there's a poll about veteran content difficulty and 60% of the poll users said it was fine whereas 40% said it wasn't.. I'm going to go out on a limb and say numbers don't really matter with ZeniMax. So while you may think this is over... IT HAS ONLY BEGUN, because seriously, achievements are a pain, well, repeating achievements is a pain.

Yay, acknowledgements of sorts!

brandon

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The_Sadist wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

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The individuals against account wide achievements almost equaled the ones wanting it. I think that speaks for itself.

PS hey you got a ZOS employee to vote in the poll. He's in the unsure votes.

Given there's a poll about veteran content difficulty and 60% of the poll users said it was fine whereas 40% said it wasn't.. I'm going to go out on a limb and say numbers don't really matter with ZeniMax. So while you may think this is over... IT HAS ONLY BEGUN, because seriously, achievements are a pain, well, repeating achievements is a pain.

Yay, acknowledgements of sorts!

Speaking of that poll what side did you choose the ones who thought it was fine or the other. Of course only if you want to say that is. I was in the it was fine movement lol.

The_Sadist

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brandon wrote: »

Speaking of that poll what side did you choose the ones who thought it was fine or the other. Of course only if you want to say that is. I was in the it was fine movement lol.

I said veteran rank content is currently fine, I'm almost veteran rank 9 personally and have enjoyed the challenging experience. That being said I'm also a Sorcerer and apparently Sorcerers have it easy compared with a Nightblade or something.

I'm pretty against watering down veteran content, I can see a lot more 'We're bored as we hit rank 12 in a week due to how easy it is now and there's no content for us!' threads popping up.

But that's just my opinion, it might be awesome, we'll have to wait and see. I took away from it that ZeniMax listens to whomever they want, so maybe the this suggestion may fall on the right ears.

brandon

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The_Sadist wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Speaking of that poll what side did you choose the ones who thought it was fine or the other. Of course only if you want to say that is. I was in the it was fine movement lol.

I said veteran rank content is currently fine, I'm almost veteran rank 9 personally and have enjoyed the challenging experience. That being said I'm also a Sorcerer and apparently Sorcerers have it easy compared with a Nightblade or something.

I'm pretty against watering down veteran content, I can see a lot more 'We're bored as we hit rank 12 in a week due to how easy it is now and there's no content for us!' threads popping up.

But that's just my opinion, it might be awesome, we'll have to wait and see. I took away from it that ZeniMax listens to whomever they want, so maybe the this suggestion may fall on the right ears.

Well it's nice that we agree on something. I can definitely see threads like that popping up people love to complain about everything honestly. It could turn out really well, but history repeats itself so it's probably going to turn into any other mmo that waters down their content.

AreoHotah

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The Bleackrock quest was broken in early release so i skipped it. Cam back after was fixed and i couldn't do the quest anymore I'm vr 8 and i could NEVER make another char just to get that achievement as well and get too vr8. But could make another char and play until that quest if achievementd were account wide. Love the ideea... you ppl are just close-minded.

Blackwidow

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Could we make this optional?

I'm not sure if that would be fair.

*shrug*

brandon

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Blackwidow wrote: »

Could we make this optional?

I'm sure if that would be fair or not.

*shrug*

@Blackwidow
I would be fine if it was optional everyone would be happy. Wait I take that back most people would be happy. I'm sure someone would get upset at that.

Blackwidow

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The_Sadist wrote: »

Of the individuals against the suggestion there's very little reasons behind their logic being posted.

I don't think that is fair. I can see that some people want each character to earn his own fame/titles/goals etc.

I can also see a person wanting his account to count for all things.

Both are very valid opinions.

Personally, I'm lazy, so I would go the account way.

My RL friend (if he did not quit) would absolutely want to do each character separately.

The_Sadist

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brandon wrote: »

Well it's nice that we agree on something. I can definitely see threads like that popping up people love to complain about everything honestly. It could turn out really well, but history repeats itself so it's probably going to turn into any other mmo that waters down their content.

We disagree on one topic, it's not surprising we agree on another. We'll have to give it time and see what ZeniMax does.. perhaps they have a whole heap of content in the works, who knows? But yes, 60% of the threads are pointless complaints and rants, nothing constructive or informative.. but that's always the case with the official forums.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Could we make this optional?

I'm sure if that would be fair or not.

*shrug*

Probably not optional given how the system works, but I wouldn't know the first thing about coding, so who knows.

Blackwidow wrote: »

I don't think that is fair. I can see that some people want each character to earn his own fame/titles/goals etc.

I can also see a person wanting his account to count for all things.

Both are very valid opinions.

Personally, I'm lazy, so I would go the account way.

My RL friend (if he did not quit) would absolutely want to do each character separately.

It's very fair, no opinions have been raised outside of a select few and therefore argument can't take place and eyes are still remained willingly closed. That being said the whole immersion 'each character does it's own thing because I role-play' thing makes sense, but ultimately people who role-play also want vampires / werewolves to be purely physical and provide no bonuses / negatives, so I can't take the argument seriously.

Yes I can understand where they're coming from, but in a years time when they're gone and I'm grinding 5 characters worth of achievements I'm going to be relatively bemused.

Blackwidow

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The_Sadist wrote: »

It's very fair, no opinions have been raised outside of a select few and therefore argument can't take place and eyes are still remained willingly closed.

Sorry, what?

Are you saying that more people agree with you, so the ones who don't have no valid argument?

That being said the whole immersion 'each character does it's own thing because I role-play' thing makes sense, but ultimately people who role-play also want vampires / werewolves to be purely physical and provide no bonuses / negatives, so I can't take the argument seriously.

I think you are taking so real leaps in logic here.

As a person who can appreciate roleplaying, I'm not one who wants vamps and weres to be just physical with no stat changes or bonuses.

Why would you clump that together?

Yes I can understand where they're coming from, but in a years time when they're gone and I'm grinding 5 characters worth of achievements I'm going to be relatively bemused.

Again, you are leaping to a place and I'm not getting the connection.

How do you know that the people who disagree with you will not still be playing a year or more from now?

The_Sadist

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Blackwidow wrote: »

Sorry, what?

Are you saying that more people agree with you, so the ones who don't have no valid argument?

No.. I never said that. I'm saying people who disagree state your reasons so we can discuss it.

I think you are taking so real leaps in logic here.

As a person who can appreciate roleplaying, I'm not one who wants vamps and weres to be just physical with no stat changes or bonuses.

Why would you clump that together?

A little bit of hyperbole goes a long way apparently, I suppose tone is lost over the internet.
I personally don't think decisions should be made due to role-play value. I agree that lore and whatnot is paramount, however there's a lot of hardcore 'immersion' individuals who need to role-play each character as an individual and changes which would ultimately be beneficial but 'damage' this 'immersion' aspect are typically torn apart. So someone disagreeing with a shared achievement system because Bob the dragon slayer and his alt Kim the eater of cheese aren't 'individuals' anymore doesn't really make a great deal of sense to me, based purely on how I perceive things I suppose.

Again, you are leaping to a place and I'm not getting the connection.

How do you know that the people who disagree with you will not still be playing a year or more from now?

How do you know they won't be? How do you know the game won't be shut down tomorrow? What is the meaning of life? Are we done with the questions?

Take everything with a grain of salt, I'm not being literal half the time.

All in all I want individuals disagreeing with the notion to state why, so we can discuss it at length.

DeLindsay

Unsure

As an Altoholic type player I'm for this, but as an Achievement hunter type I'm against it. I'd say some achievements could be account wide and others individual maybe. It's a tough question.

The_Sadist

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DeLindsay wrote: »

As an Altoholic type player I'm for this, but as an Achievement hunter type I'm against it. I'd say some achievements could be account wide and others individual maybe. It's a tough question.

Oh I agree, character specific achievements can be made.. character specific. Likewise, dungeon achievements which result in skill points / undaunted experience would obviously be character specific.

All in all there are quite a few achievements which could be made account wide, well, in my opinion there is.

seanolan

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Too FRAKKING easy! You can get the questing achievements without vet content, same with dungeons, anchors, etc., if you did this. An achievement should frakking well mean something, dammit

The_Sadist

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seanolan wrote: »

Too FRAKKING easy! You can get the questing achievements without vet content, same with dungeons, anchors, etc., if you did this. An achievement should frakking well mean something, dammit

And once you get the achievement 5 times I'm sure it will still mean something, best you get it for the 6th time for that rush of collecting a billion chests.

The obvious solution would be make certain achievements only accessible at certain ranks. For example, have certain dolmen bosses spawn in rank 5 zones only or something, that way you'll need at least a rank 5 to complete the achievement. Likewise, reword achievements which require you to do multiple things across each zone. It's not overly complicated stuff.

AlexDougherty

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The seperation of achievements means I know exactly what each character needs to do.

What good is it knowing that a character found all the skyshards in Greenshade for example, what I need to know is did this character find them all, did this character defeat the wispmother, did this character do forty greenshade quests for the achievement.

I wouldn't object to a account wide overview where we can see how all our characters are doing, but I still want the achievements to be character bound.

Audigy

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The incentive to roll an alt will be gone. We all saw this at WOW didn't we?

Ella_Mental

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I voted against because I would rather have Account Wide achievs be an UMBRELLA section.

I don't want one character earning titles, trophies or anything else that they didn't deserve just because another character did it. However, I would also like a blanket information section (''account wide'') to let myself and possibly others know just what all achievements I've completed.

The_Sadist

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

The seperation of achievements means I know exactly what each character needs to do.

What good is it knowing that a character found all the skyshards in Greenshade for example, what I need to know is did this character find them all, did this character defeat the wispmother, did this character do forty greenshade quests for the achievement.

I wouldn't object to a account wide overview where we can see how all our characters are doing, but I still want the achievements to be character bound.

Perhaps, but you seem to also assume that there couldn't possibly be an alternative way of allowing plays to know what things their alts need to complete implemented alongside the account wide achievements.

It's like the pathfinder achievement and whatnot, you'd get prompted saying when you've found them all, perhaps with a mouse over which states what ones your current character is missing, it doesn't seem to be overly complicated.

Specific achievements WOULD be character bound, other ones would not, making skyshards character bound makes sense, having certain other ones, like enchanting for example (good luck maxing that on all characters), could be account wide.

Audigy wrote: »

The incentive to roll an alt will be gone. We all saw this at WOW didn't we?

Um, what? The incentive to roll an amount based purely on gathering achievements makes no sense. Furthermore, have you even played WoW? I personally had several alts to experiment with classes. If anything a deterrent for alts is the lack of repayable content not achievements.

Insanyti wrote: »

I voted against because I would rather have Account Wide achievs be an UMBRELLA section.

I don't want one character earning titles, trophies or anything else that they didn't deserve just because another character did it. However, I would also like a blanket information section (''account wide'') to let myself and possibly others know just what all achievements I've completed.

Eh, okay?

Seems semi redundant when you could log on said character in under a minute and check yourself. The issue is you've already earned the trophy once, earning it 4 more times won't make it any more special. I've seen the system work in other games, but apparently the ESO community is big on separation of characters for some reason.

AlexDougherty

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The_Sadist wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

The seperation of achievements means I know exactly what each character needs to do.

What good is it knowing that a character found all the skyshards in Greenshade for example, what I need to know is did this character find them all, did this character defeat the wispmother, did this character do forty greenshade quests for the achievement.

I wouldn't object to a account wide overview where we can see how all our characters are doing, but I still want the achievements to be character bound.

Perhaps, but you seem to also assume that there couldn't possibly be an alternative way of allowing plays to know what things their alts need to complete implemented alongside the account wide achievements.

It's like the pathfinder achievement and whatnot, you'd get prompted saying when you've found them all, perhaps with a mouse over which states what ones your current character is missing, it doesn't seem to be overly complicated.

Specific achievements WOULD be character bound, other ones would not, making skyshards character bound makes sense, having certain other ones, like enchanting for example (good luck maxing that on all characters), could be account wide.

The only experience I have of accountwide achievements is Swtor, where if one character got it, then all characters got it. Which is what I'm afraid of happening here.

If they could keep it so that you knew which characters had or hadn't done it, then fine. But at the minute, the seperated achievements is working for me, and I don't want that messed up.

Digiman

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Hell I want account wide stuff for pre-order and collector addition rewards. Its currently really cheap and poor programing that this wasn't included at launch when so many other MMO's have adapted to it.

Audigy

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Um, what? The incentive to roll an amount based purely on gathering achievements makes no sense. Furthermore, have you even played WoW? I personally had several alts to experiment with classes. If anything a deterrent for alts is the lack of repayable content not achievements.

Played it for 10 years and had several chars, thank you! Account wide achievements totally annihilated the incentive to play anything but your main, as you got everything already.

Why do dailys if you already have the pet or mount? Why do a dungeon if you already have the title and the rewards from it?
Why even level a char up if you already have everything that is achievable?

Less and less people rolled alts at WOW since Cata, one reason is the low difficulty, another is the acc wide tab.

The_Sadist

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Digiman wrote: »

Hell I want account wide stuff for pre-order and collector addition rewards. Its currently really cheap and poor programing that this wasn't included at launch when so many other MMO's have adapted to it.

Do you mean the vanity pets and whatnot? The poor little guy will forever be in my bank, taking up a slot. Different issue for a different topic, but I suppose I'm inclined to disagree, one pet is fine, I personally haven't used my rings and that aside I only really use the imperial horses and the actual class. Making the pets 'rare' sort of makes sense, the whole collectable thing.

Audigy wrote: »

Played it for 10 years and had several chars, thank you! Account wide achievements totally annihilated the incentive to play anything but your main, as you got everything already.

Why do dailys if you already have the pet or mount? Why do a dungeon if you already have the title and the rewards from it?
Why even level a char up if you already have everything that is achievable?

Less and less people rolled alts at WOW since Cata, one reason is the low difficulty, another is the acc wide tab.

Well that's a first, not once have I heard people complain that account wide achievements ruins the prospect of levelling an alt. I've heard the lack of content, no drive, length and the whole shebang, but not achievement hunting.

I personally plan on making 3 more characters in ESO all for a specialised role and to experience each class, the fact achievements aren't universal means grinding the same stuff on all of them to state my OCD, but nothing else.

There are no dailies in ESO so that's irrelevant. You do the dungeons for experience, spell points and loot. You level another character up because you want to experience different gameplay. It's not overly complicated stuff.

If you say so, I highly doubt an account wide achievement system will deter most players for making alts, if anything it would be beneficial. I can't see your logic at all, why would you make an alt purely to do achievements all over again?

Cogo

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Hi kids!

This is the ESO forums right? Ok! Just checking.

Interesting that only "no" demanded a reason.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Since it dosent fit in in ESO at all, how do you think it does? Without talking about yourself.

Havn't I seen this one before?

Reading the reasons people want this, seams to be one and only reason. For themselves. No mention of how it fits with the game, what purpose it would do, good or bad.

Only reason is it suits YOU.

Sometimes in life where others are involved, you may have to think about them too.

Since the way ESO is built, shared anything, other the what is shared now, done belong.

Stating that why cant we have it when X other MMO have it. This is no rude to anyone, but a statement like that simply means

1. You dont know what ESO is
2. You dont like ESO and want to change it to anther MMO.

Either way, there are a very easy solution to both. I am emotional, and I get sad when my fellow people gets upset because they dont get something they want.

The_Sadist

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Cogo wrote: »

Hi kids!

This is the ESO forums right? Ok! Just checking.

Interesting that only "no" demanded a reason.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? Since it dosent fit in in ESO at all, how do you think it does? Without talking about yourself.

Reading the reasons people want this, seams to be one and only reason. For themselves. No mention of how it fits with the game, what purpose it would do, good or bad.

Only reason is it suits YOU.

Sometimes in life where others are involved, you may have to think about them too.

Since the way ESO is built, shared anything, other the what is shared now, done belong.

Stating that why cant we have it when X other MMO have it. This is no rude to anyone, but a statement like that simply means

1. You dont know what ESO is
2. You dont like ESO and want to change it to anther MMO.

Either way, there are a very easy solution to both. I am emotional, and I get sad when my fellow people gets upset because they dont get something they want.

Hello fellow kid,

Indeed, astute observation.

No demands a reason because I'm happy to provide reasons for it and argue with those against the change. Simply voting no without providing a reason when the topic is pro something makes little sense. How does it not fit in ESO? Have you played Skyrim, where there's achievements which can be unlocked by any character you happen to do be playing at any given time? Granted those achievements are a little different due to the nature of an MMO v single player game, but I digress.

I honestly think it would be a worthwhile change and while it saves me a headache I also feel other players would benefit from the concept.

You can't make a claim like that because suddenly every idea and concept is selfish. You want a house system? I don't, therefore you're being selfish and whatnot for even suggesting it. You want more content? Well sorry kid, I don't, stop being selfish!

Um, you contradict yourself. I know what ESO is and I know what other MMOs have in terms of features and whatnot. Requesting something because it works in game x, is enjoyed by most and makes practical sense isn't a bad thing, nor is it taking away from the game itself. If I asked for a graphics overhaul with cartoons like WoW, for example, that would devalue the game and is silly.

I'm hardly upset, I'm simply arguing for the change against people who don't want it for whatever reason.

Mordria

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The_Sadist wrote: »

People don't seem to get the concept that unlocking an achievement is different from progressing a skill line. Unlocking an achievement related to sky shards doesn't mean each new character will have each sky shard unlocked... simply the achievements related. Likewise, if there's a lore book achievement you'd simply get the title related to the achievement, if there is one, not a maxed mage's guild on new characters. You'd still need to gather lore books / sky shards / fight daedra to amass skill points and level guild skill lines respectively.

I get it. I don't want it. What would be the point in making a new character then? You're essentially destroying the replayability of the game. I certainly hope they aren't even considering this silly idea.

The_Sadist

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Mordria wrote: »

I get it. I don't want it. What would be the point in making a new character then? You're essentially destroying the replayability of the game. I certainly hope they aren't even considering this silly idea.

So you make alts purely for achievements? Because that's what you're saying. If achievements weren't actually a function / feature are you saying you wouldn't make an alt?

I personally have a DK tank alt in the works, plan on making a Templar healer and lastly a second Sorcerer purely to have an Altmer one and a Breton one. I'm not making alts because achievements are that swell to complete.

'Replayability' of the game is soso at best, given you have to complete all the same content, do all the same quests and grind all the same achievements. The achievements don't actually bring anything new to the table, the classes bring specific builds, spells and play styles.

I'm confused to where this 'making alts to grind achievements' mentality came from.

Blackwidow

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The_Sadist wrote: »

A little bit of hyperbole goes a long way apparently, I suppose tone is lost over the internet.

Yes, saying what you actually mean would be a big help in communication, thanks.

You-in a years time when they're gone and I'm grinding 5 characters worth of achievements I'm going to be relatively bemused.

Me-Again, you are leaping to a place and I'm not getting the connection.

How do you know that the people who disagree with you will not still be playing a year or more from now?

You-How do you know they won't be?

I don't, but I never claimed otherwise. You did.

You boldly said the people who disagree with you would not be here, but you still would.

All in all I want individuals disagreeing with the notion to state why, so we can discuss it at length.

Look, I'm asking to hear your side of this and you are giving me hyperbole and flat out illogical statements, no offense.

You seemed upset that the other side was not making any logical points.

All I can say at the moment is pot meet kettle, and I actually voted your way.

Have a nice day.

The_Sadist

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Blackwidow wrote: »

Yes, saying what you actually mean would be a big help in communication, thanks.

I don't, but I never claimed otherwise. You did.

You boldly said the people who disagree with you would not be here, but you still would.

Look, I'm asking to hear your side of this and you are giving me hyperbole and flat out illogical statements, no offense.

You seemed upset that the other side was not making any logical points.

All I can say at the moment is pot meet kettle, and I actually voted your way.

Have a nice day.

If you're not familiar with hyperbole and whatnot and you're actively using the forums of any game or the internet in general, you're going to run into a bit of trouble.

Indeed! And you answered with a question. I probably shouldn't made such a bold statement, but alas I did and can't go back in time. Can I admit I said something illogical? Sure, should it be focused on and picked apart when it was obviously meant to be funny? No.

Feel free to browse the topic and examine where I made actual logical and serious arguments for it. You're picking at strings for no real reason, if you had provided actual arguments for or against I may have been able to have a serious conversation with you, but I didn't take your questions seriously. If you're going to take snippets of the conversation and completely overlook my actual arguments you probably shouldn't bother.

There have been logical arguments made and argued against, once again, read through. Provide further logical reasons against it and we can discuss it. The notion of 'it will ruin my immersion' isn't really applicable to an MMO, if you make arguments based around the topic I can't take the idea seriously. However if it ruins lore, that's a different story altogether.

One post and I'm suddenly a pot, but I suppose you're also calling yourself a kettle, so there's that.

I am, thanks.