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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/683901

Do you really want arena PvP?

  • Tintinabula
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    No.
    Some of my most memorable fights in Cyrodill have been 2 VS 6..or 5 VS 5...however...im not for sure..since battles would defintiely be brodcast and twitched and narrated and commentaried..I don't know how many players would be keen on showing their secret exploits to everyone watching.
  • FENGRUSH
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    No.
    Voting no because they will implement them even though Ive helped contribute to a majority vote against it.
  • TheBucket
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    No.
    Lowbei wrote: »
    zos is learning that you cannot create a pvp mmo while catering to the masses of bads, because without competition the pvp is lackluster and will eventually fail.

    take daoc for example. daoc survived for years with rvr because there was competition. take away the competiton aspect, and all 8mans leave, leaving only the zerging bads, who are likely to quit anyway.

    Stop talking out your butt. .. 8mans didn't develop fluently until well in the first year of DAoC. You should know this since you have so many leet characters in your signature.

    I was part of a long lasting 8man and I will say just because others prefer larger scale PvP doesn't make them bad. Most can be, but you are seriously stereotyping a large scale of players just because they don't enjoy your playstyle.

    Makes you look like you have something to prove on a forum board by the consistent degrading of other players. Considering nobody had ever heard of you. You sound desperate for stardom.

    We should change your name to Miley Cyrus
    William Reignes
    Magic Nightblade - Rogue Bomber
    Creator of Thirsty Thief Build (Retired 1.5)
  • nan.jieb17_ESO
    Yes.
    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    Voting no because they will implement them even though Ive helped contribute to a majority vote against it.

    The majority using this forum. People who seem to mainly play pve (even in cyrodil). ;)
    I wonder how ESO wants to survive without pvp players.
    The pve content like craglorn comes very slow and is on farmstatus shortly after, making it rather boring for hardcore pve players.
    The only real endcontent or end-challenge has always been pvp in most (successful) mmorpgs like gw1/2, WAR, WoW and daoc.
    I want to read a real pvp player explain to us all why arenas would be the death of ESO. :)
  • SBR_QuorTek
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    No.
    Personally... the style of PvP we have in TESO does not really support the Arena/Warzone ways....

    A few good reasons... you can turn and twist your character in so many ways with the skill point system that people would be crying nerf nerf nerf.... balance this balance that... that doesn't work in arena meaning it would be an impossible task to keep on going and to maintain as well.

    Would rather open up to be able to select an open PvP option for veteran zones in general to generate possible out of cyrodiil skirmishes as a path of doing something at the side when not currently doing campaign stuff

    If adding arenas though, put it like you can only do 5 per week or something, and no queu in as group, full premade solutions is what would bring the grief and crying, also make it so i ti sin brackets meaning vr6 to 12 would only be able to go together, vr1 to 5 would only be able to go together and finally lvl10 to 49 would only be able to go together.

    Anyhow I have a suggestion though for something Arena alike stuff... once or twice per week the Arena will open up for 3 hours as a side event... where people can hack and slash their way to success, something permanent every day would ruin it all, but having it as t a weekly possible event you can sign up for would not be a bad thing especially not ruining anything else..... put it like some kind of mini Olympics where you get to test your stuff out and have some fun
    Edited by SBR_QuorTek on June 14, 2014 10:58AM
  • DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs
    Yes.
    Crydilll does not make my heart pound when in battle, for me smaller scales pvp does it for me and i believe many others, what is the big deal if they do? They need to cater to the two markets, what is wrong with having larger and small scale pvp? No it wont take everyone out of crydill and who the hell are you to tell us we have to in cdydill to pvp, no thanks its like watching paint dry and doesn't matter if your there or not
  • DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs
    Yes.
    Bloodvax wrote: »
    I would like arena PVP BUT the way the combat system works atm isnt suited for 1v1 fights. There is not enough balance between classes for this to be skill based. Especially when every class has a spamable 1 button cheesemode *** win ability. For example I saw a NB running around spamming ambush over and over until his mana ran out and got a kill. Or the temp combo of impulse solar barrage. The game is too spammy for ANY kind of skill to be viable. There is no way that 1v1 fights will be remotely interesting to watch or fight with the no cooldown combat spam that we have now.

    nothing is spamable the cd is managing magika and stam you will run out and fast
  • Custos91
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    No.
    NO arena pls, I am tired of beeing asked, because people have to get their cap and stuff....
    Ok, so actually nothing against arenas if its only for fun, Cyrodill gear as a reward, nothing better, maybe even less AP, because normally you would have travelled through Cyrodill and in the end you are not even sure if there is a fight.
    If Arenas/duells would be there only for fun, to test items and builds, I am ok wiht that, the oblivion type of arena would be cool too, like a PVE Trial and other players can watch you.
    If arenas --> reward =+/-0% increase compared to Cyrodillm so min maxers don't feel forced to do it.
    Don't ask for a reward you arena players, rollplayers don't ask for one, or have you seen something like that?
    The war is in Cyrodill, the price is the emperorship, and with that the controll about the center of the continent, there is just no reason to fight for another thing^^
    Lorewise your chars don't know who the next Dragonblood will be, so they hope everytime a new person gets the crown, and with the next dragonblood beeing emperor their world will be safe once again, no daedric prince could enter again, and with all these daedra in the heart of the empire, their memory should be fresh, the memory of couldharbor, the memory of all that pain they have seen in all 3 alliances, vampires, werewolfes, the mortuum vivicus, the struggle of the mages guild with the leader of the alliances, the meeting of the alliances, and the moment of truth, they see the alliances won't even work together to rescue their world.
    The only way for them to rescue the world is now to fight every daedra they see and to try to get a dragonbourne emperor on the throne, they can't know talos will be the next one, so they would try over and over again.

    Fighting for another reason is treason, at least lorewise, and that means if you fight in smaller scale, it can't be something like that war, training would be ok, but you don't get rewards from training, you get experiance from it, you get friendships and tricks from it, but you won't get a new piece of armor from fighting with your best friend for hours^^
    And as soon as it gets to an organized state, it be once again treason, because you would take power away from the front.

    A thing that I would like would be areas where only a small number of players can enter, in the imperial city itself, and everytime you fight with your enemys there the game will restrict certain areas, like for example a gate house, to the number of players around, so you can just send in 3 persons, because down in the streets you have to fight daedra, worm cultist, imperial troops and the other allainces.
    That would be fun, because you would not know when you need how many players in that small scale enviroment, the game could adjust the number of players by just giving you a reason, like spawning more imperial troops, so less people, if more enemy alliances are around you could for example make the restriction less severe, so you have to decide if you want to win one of the two objectives (street/gatehouse) for sure or to try to get both by wiping your enemys out in both.
    Something like that would be cool, magickal prisons, flags in the imperial city, gatehouses, parts of the wall, inner walls, the towers, controll over the bridges.
    Tl,DR
    It would be cool if these arenas are a part of Cyrodill, and not like in wow, you stand in a city and wait for an invite, it would be cool if they are just things you can do while fighting with your alliance, so you have to use the things that are on your bar in this moment, you have to communicate with the players that were in the area, if you hav a arena mate, thats fine, but he could be on the other side of the battle, so you have to take another person from your zerg.
    Think that would be a great open world thing, you would actually have to look what the other persons are doing instead of knowing it, you would actually notice what other persons around you are doing, so it would get less unpersonal.
    Warden Main apparently... 7 Wardens currently, otherwise a healer of every class.
    Mostly active in No CP PVP on EU, blaming the buffbot meta in pve.
    I want to feel like I am saving somebodies life, not like I am carrying amunition for them...
  • Raizin
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    No.
    This arena will be abused as are short term campaign for emp buff (this all shjty trading of emp for who needs it but doesnt deserve it). 6 ppl will just take 3 chars from EP 3 from DC and will compete against 3 AD (OR other way around, doesnt matter) and those 6 ppl will firstly *** the AD site, so they dont have chance and then die on purpose to the site which needs it currently and then they ll just switch places (ofc all this for the highest reward)... I say - this will be garbage as are the short term campaigns which are nothing MORE then trading places for noobs who want to have emp, but are far away from "beein a good player".


    Additionaly: I agree to have some battlegrounds - but thats it. Arenas of this TYPE r not good idea.
    Edited by Raizin on June 14, 2014 11:32AM
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    HellSeesUs - v16/AD/Rank 18 Stamina Templar
  • Omyz
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    No.
    This is a war, if you want arenas, go back to the games which have them. 60% + of us will still be here.
  • ThyIronFist
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    Yes.
    All I hear is :

    Don't add it because I don't want it.
    Don't add it because it will ruin balance (really? you must play a DK or Sorc)
    Don't add it because unless I have a zerg around me I suck
    Don't add it because I like sitting behind walls and guards during pvp

    Signed, Baddies

    This.
    The Elder Zergs Online
    Sainur Ironfist - DK - EU - Ebonheart Pact
    Retired
  • thelg
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    No.
    I have a solution for you guys, its right here and its F2P https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/default.aspx?ok=

    They even run live tournaments for all your epeen needs. Best part it was built for this purpose, I know crazy
  • Gisgo
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    No.
    Yeah, Smite is good, some of you should try it.
    Edited by Gisgo on June 14, 2014 1:13PM
  • Gilvoth
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    No.
    No, i dont want an arena
  • Gravord
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    Yes.
    No, i dont want an arena

    Then dont play it. Same as many ppl dont play Cyrodiil right now, others dont play dungeons or trials. Play what you enjoy in game and dont block game progress that can attract more ppl into it because you think only about your own ass and what YOU like.
  • nan.jieb17_ESO
    Yes.
    If I was as selfish as you guys I would make topics against pve content/patches because of new exploits/leveling/farming/scamming methods.
    Luckily for you I am a pvp player and therefore a teamplayer.

    I hope the guys who say no to arenas never meet pvp players in rvr alone or they will have to cry (abit).
    So long selfishies :p
  • Apophiss
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    Lowbei wrote: »
    .......bads will always vote against anything that requires skill.

    And a ZERG takes skill on an epic level I presume?
    "Just when I think you have said the stupidest thing possible, you keep talking."
    -Hank Hill
  • SwampRaider
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    No.
    NO


    unless the arena's are only open on weekends like any tournament.
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • Gravord
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    Yes.
    NO


    unless the arena's are only open on weekends like any tournament.

    Lets make trials open for weekends too only. Right now they taking half population away from pvp so why not, right?
  • Gilvoth
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    No.
    you asked a question on an open forum and people answered you with thier answer.
    people dont want this arena in eso, not much more can be done about it, im sory.
  • Gravord
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    Yes.
    No i didnt, some guy with question suggesting negative answer did and crybabies agree. And if you think 100 ppl is ESO entire population voice then good luck <3
  • Gisgo
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    No.
    In before the poll is invalid because... blah blah blah.

    Lowbei if only high ranks were allowed to vote you would have a even higher percentual against arenas.
  • Raizin
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    No.
    Gisgo wrote: »
    In before the poll is invalid because... blah blah blah.

    Lowbei if only high ranks were allowed to vote you would have a even higher percentual against arenas.

    +
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    HellSeesUs - v16/AD/Rank 18 Stamina Templar
  • SBR_QuorTek
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    No.
    Personally can only support arenas if it is a 1 day a week only where the gates would be open for arena content for 2-3 hours like a weekly tournament,

    see this thread:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/110858/if-adding-arenas-do-it-like-a-weekly-event-lasting-2-3-hours-1-specific-weekday-like-a-tournament#latest
  • Lowbei
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    Yes.
    Apophiss wrote: »
    Lowbei wrote: »
    .......bads will always vote against anything that requires skill.

    And a ZERG takes skill on an epic level I presume?

    when did anyone mention a zerg?

    zerging is for bads
  • SwampRaider
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    No.
    Lowbei wrote: »
    Apophiss wrote: »
    Lowbei wrote: »
    .......bads will always vote against anything that requires skill.

    And a ZERG takes skill on an epic level I presume?

    when did anyone mention a zerg?

    zerging is for bads

    organized guilds basically zerg. except they call it stacking ultimate's and charging at the same time with triple stacked barriers.

    Everyone zergs. Some zergs are just more organized
    Character: Eros, Eros I I, The Paw of Woe
    Class: Templar Healer/MagWarden/ Stam Sorc
    Alliance: DC
    Campaign: Vivec (pc/na)
    Guardians of Daggerfall
  • Preachan
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    Yes.
    I see enough zerging in Cyrodil... which can be fun, but not all the time.
    Allright, can go for a command operation with a few players, that's cool - until the enemy zerg finds us. :D
  • Lowbei
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    Yes.
    no, not everyone zergs, thats just what you wish was true to justify your zergs

    my grp runs 6 and beats 40+ no problem
  • Tombs_UDL
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    Yes.
    I am really disappointed in the people who are voting no. I dont like to craft but you dont see me jumping on polls saying "those who craft have an unfair advantage" or "I vote no, I dont like to craft." You would think, if you like this game, that you would want to see a large and diverse player base.

    If your argument is that they don't have time and there are other things that need to be fixed, first, I think you are naive. This company has plenty of resources and adding an "arena design/maintenance" team would not adversely affect any of the other current teams.

    Whether you realize it or not, there are a lot of people not resubbing, At least half of my guild has moved on due to the lack of PVP challenge, lack of a death penalty, and completely impersonal level of PVP. Who did I just kill? What guild is he in? Is he any good?

    I can sit in Cyrodill with my 5 man group for hours and, maybe, get one competitive 5v5 or 5v8 fight. The rest of the time it is 5v1 (no fun, no challenge, no joy) or 5v40 (no fun, no challenge, no joy). Maybe you have a good 1v1 going and then here comes 5 of your guys over the hill to steamroll the guy you are fighting, or worse, 5 of his guys come over the hill...

    Please, either vote yes or just keep it to yourself. Also, this poll is probably skewed because I highly doubt many of the guys who would vote for arenas and are trying to set it up themselves ( http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/general/bloodthorn/ ) even come to these boards.

    Flame away... but add arenas.
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