Now Accepting Class Rep Applications

Auldjohn · March 2019

One of my guild mates @Casdha, who is a Co-founder of The Elder Sages' Guild submitted his application. I strongly recommend approval. He's played ESO since early Closed Beta.

Nebthet78 · March 2019

Masel wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

SaltySudd wrote: »

I would like to submit my application for the Lamb-to-the-slaughter Rep program

Liofa wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

an Important Question for prob many ppls is:

"Would you recommend joining the Class Rep programm?"

maybe a Classrep has an answer for that?

Not unless you have the patience of a saint ^^

And if you wouldn't mind getting blamed by the community for everything

havent seem much classrep blaming lately...they give input, but in the end its ZOS desicion...so they actually cant do much to prevent certain changes etc.

Not that much blaming lately right, but still drama evolves quite fast as soon as somebody has a different vision that a rep.

If I recommend joining the class reps? Sure! It is a ton of fun in this group and it is very interesting to learn more about the devs point of view. But it is also quite some work (depending where you get your feedback from). I see it as a hobby, to talk with the people about classes, exchanging ideas, making suggestions, etc. The devs are open for all that stuff, but that doesnt mean it will get in the game.

So yes, I recommend joining the team, if you have enough time to do so, if you have fun talking about the game, if you can handle some drama and critics....and if you really want to do something for the game.

I dont think anyone of us has ever been blamed for changes no seriously, it is a very cool experience, but as Check said, as soon as you start becoming one of us, be careful where to voice your opinion. You have to behave sort of like a Dev. Say things that are commonly agreed on (like nerf sorc or let's remove everything but NB dds) and then you're fine.

Other than that, we have a pretty nice group going right now, it's a very open-minded environment, so yes i'd recommend it.

It sounds like that may be part of the problem. Too much butt kissing to keep the peace and not enough challenging of decisions, or going against the status quo, so that things that truly need to be changed, never get changed when it matters most. If you can't voice your opinions in a safe environment, knowing not everyone or anyone may agree, there there is a major issue with the program from the get go.

But if this "You have to behave sort of like a Dev. Say things that are commonly agreed on (like nerf sorc or let's remove everything but NB dds) and then you're fine." is what ZOS is wanting out of the Class Rep program, then it's a failure from the start. They are just looking for people to agree with their decisions not challenge them nor enlighten them to a direction they haven't considered, or what the community may want.

Nebthet78 · March 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels
@Masel I hope this is still accurate! If not, is there a better source to point people to?

The information is those links are not up to date and the links to the Discord discussions are no longer valid. I have emailed Gina about them and even a couple of the class reps in addition to noting it in a few different forum posts and there has been no change, which leads me to believe the Class Reps don't want the "Community Feedback"

Sylvermynx · March 2019

Eh.... even major MMOs play politics.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I'm not pointing that at anyone - I'm just stating a simple truth.

Masel · March 2019

Nebthet78 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels
@Masel I hope this is still accurate! If not, is there a better source to point people to?

The information is those links are not up to date and the links to the Discord discussions are no longer valid. I have emailed Gina about them and even a couple of the class reps in addition to noting it in a few different forum posts and there has been no change, which leads me to believe the Class Reps don't want the "Community Feedback"

We want feedback, but that thread has been closed and I can't edit it anymore due to that

Masel · March 2019

Nebthet78 wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

SaltySudd wrote: »

I would like to submit my application for the Lamb-to-the-slaughter Rep program

Liofa wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

an Important Question for prob many ppls is:

"Would you recommend joining the Class Rep programm?"

maybe a Classrep has an answer for that?

Not unless you have the patience of a saint ^^

And if you wouldn't mind getting blamed by the community for everything

havent seem much classrep blaming lately...they give input, but in the end its ZOS desicion...so they actually cant do much to prevent certain changes etc.

Not that much blaming lately right, but still drama evolves quite fast as soon as somebody has a different vision that a rep.

If I recommend joining the class reps? Sure! It is a ton of fun in this group and it is very interesting to learn more about the devs point of view. But it is also quite some work (depending where you get your feedback from). I see it as a hobby, to talk with the people about classes, exchanging ideas, making suggestions, etc. The devs are open for all that stuff, but that doesnt mean it will get in the game.

So yes, I recommend joining the team, if you have enough time to do so, if you have fun talking about the game, if you can handle some drama and critics....and if you really want to do something for the game.

I dont think anyone of us has ever been blamed for changes no seriously, it is a very cool experience, but as Check said, as soon as you start becoming one of us, be careful where to voice your opinion. You have to behave sort of like a Dev. Say things that are commonly agreed on (like nerf sorc or let's remove everything but NB dds) and then you're fine.

Other than that, we have a pretty nice group going right now, it's a very open-minded environment, so yes i'd recommend it.

It sounds like that may be part of the problem. Too much butt kissing to keep the peace and not enough challenging of decisions, or going against the status quo, so that things that truly need to be changed, never get changed when it matters most. If you can't voice your opinions in a safe environment, knowing not everyone or anyone may agree, there there is a major issue with the program from the get go.

But if this "You have to behave sort of like a Dev. Say things that are commonly agreed on (like nerf sorc or let's remove everything but NB dds) and then you're fine." is what ZOS is wanting out of the Class Rep program, then it's a failure from the start. They are just looking for people to agree with their decisions not challenge them nor enlighten them to a direction they haven't considered, or what the community may want.

Oh we do challenge their decisions, every single one. If there's something questionable, we're gonna tell them. I could tell you a few very specific examples of that, but I'm under NDA so I can't

Us telling them its questionable just doesnt mean they're always gonna do something about it.

Masel · March 2019

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Sure there's a portion of the playerbase that scapegoats us and blames us for things they dont like, but there's also a larger part that appreciates what we do.

The portion where I said that you have to say things that are commonly agreed on was obviously a joke (hence the stupid stuff in the brackets). We are there to challenge their decisions, and we do that all the time.

On the communication part: we have more than enough communication with the right people of ZOS. They can't reply to everything, but in the last 10 months, we have 8433 posts made by the devs in our discord, that's an average of ~843 posts per month, or 27 per day with 30 days per month. If that's not enough, then I dont know what you expect.

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Casdha · March 2019

Auldjohn wrote: »

One of my guild mates @Casdha, who is a Co-founder of The Elder Sages' Guild submitted his application. I strongly recommend approval. He's played ESO since early Closed Beta.

I appreciate the vote and I'd do it but I don't think they are looking for that type of input. I also don't have the following they are looking for. I'm not sure if there are any Solo players out there that do, if so they would be a better choice.

It would be hard to get input from this site alone.

Ashamray · March 2019

Lore rep? Don't want to know where Dwemers went, but some Q - A thing about teso lore would be appreciated.

VaranisArano · March 2019

Masel wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords? https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedback-channels
@Masel I hope this is still accurate! If not, is there a better source to point people to?

The information is those links are not up to date and the links to the Discord discussions are no longer valid. I have emailed Gina about them and even a couple of the class reps in addition to noting it in a few different forum posts and there has been no change, which leads me to believe the Class Reps don't want the "Community Feedback"

We want feedback, but that thread has been closed and I can't edit it anymore due to that

@Masel Any chance we can get an updated thread, perhaps a stickied one or one that the forum moderators can keep updated?

Because if I'm bluntly honest, I'm very disappointed to learn that the only clear and obvious place I can find where I can learn where to leave feedback with the class reps (beyond the forums) is not up to date. That strikes me as a very serious problem with the communication lines between players and Class Reps .

Truth is, I've seen several posters complain about not being able to give feedback to class reps or not feeling like they were able to make their opinion known, and I've pointed them to that thread. I'm very disappointed to learn that we as a community apparently don't have as clear line of communication to the Class Reps as I had believed due to that post. How are players who want to express their thoughts and opinions actually supposed to do so, especially if they are relatively new to the class rep program and just now want to offer their thoughts on recent changes?

Please, do look into clarifying your lines of communication. If you want feedback, it needs to be obvious how players can give their feedback, and those methods need to be kept up to date.

If the Class Reps cannot do that themselves - I understand why that original thread was closed - then something needs to be done with the help of forum moderators to ensure that there are always clear lines of communication between players and class reps. Anything less does a disservice to the players you represent who may want to leave feedback but don't know how.

Androconium · March 2019

templesus wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords?

no, not at all what i am asking the developers.
let me be as clear as possible.

i am asking the developers to send us (each account on the elderscrolls online database) a personal email that has all the questions about upcoming changes and ideas that are in the future patches, as well as a small space to write changes we personally have about our desires for changes. instead of having a class rep do it for us, and not a discord.
im talking about an email.
the reason is as i listed earlier:

"that the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist."

i hope that answered your question and made it more clear what i was asking the developers for.

Except that the majority of the community truthfully does not know what’s best for the game. How can someone who’s never completed a vet trial give feedback on the state of DPS class wise?

The only way I would agree to something like what you’re saying is if people were categorized into distinct fields, ie if you’ve completed 10+ total Vet DLC trials you qualify for the PvE feedback, if you’ve spent 100+ Hours in a 4 person or less group in cyrodiil you qualify for the PvP feedback, etc.

The best thing about the Class Rep system is the current class reps are very knowledgeable about the game as per their respective roles, and thus can sort feedback from various players into levels of experience. Someone with an hour of experience on this game should have nowhere near the vocal status of someone who has 1000s of hours.

I have 1000s of hours. Possibly 20.
I have never done most of the things that you consider are important.

If attempt any vet activity, I would likely get kicked. I understand no boss mehanics.

I use overland sets. I don't do dailies. I don't follow the meta.

What percentage of players play like me?

VaranisArano · March 2019

Androconium wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords?

no, not at all what i am asking the developers.
let me be as clear as possible.

i am asking the developers to send us (each account on the elderscrolls online database) a personal email that has all the questions about upcoming changes and ideas that are in the future patches, as well as a small space to write changes we personally have about our desires for changes. instead of having a class rep do it for us, and not a discord.
im talking about an email.
the reason is as i listed earlier:

"that the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist."

i hope that answered your question and made it more clear what i was asking the developers for.

Except that the majority of the community truthfully does not know what’s best for the game. How can someone who’s never completed a vet trial give feedback on the state of DPS class wise?

The only way I would agree to something like what you’re saying is if people were categorized into distinct fields, ie if you’ve completed 10+ total Vet DLC trials you qualify for the PvE feedback, if you’ve spent 100+ Hours in a 4 person or less group in cyrodiil you qualify for the PvP feedback, etc.

The best thing about the Class Rep system is the current class reps are very knowledgeable about the game as per their respective roles, and thus can sort feedback from various players into levels of experience. Someone with an hour of experience on this game should have nowhere near the vocal status of someone who has 1000s of hours.

I have 1000s of hours. Possibly 20.
I have never done most of the things that you consider are important.

If attempt any vet activity, I would likely get kicked. I understand no boss mehanics.

I use overland sets. I don't do dailies. I don't follow the meta.

What percentage of players play like me?

Probably plenty.

So...what input do players like that really have to offer about how their classes ought to play in the variety of PVP and PVE situations present in ESO?

I mean no offense, because I'd consider myself in that category. 1000s of hours and all that.

I play a MagDK Healer and a Stam Warden in organized raids in PVP and rarely an ice mage in Battlegrounds. What do I really bring to the table in a discussion of classes in ESO's PVP beyond my own perspective and experience, which is rather narrow in the wide scheme of ESO' PVP?

I play stam sorc DDs and a MagDK tank in PVE, and I don't do vet trials. Again, what can I really bring to the table beyond my own perspective and experiences, which again is rather narrow in the wide scheme of ESO' PVE?

Players who don't understand how the meta and how classes work together at a high level of PVE play aren't going to be able to advise the Devolpers on how to continue developing Vet content (4 DLC dugneons and at least one Trial/Arena per year)

Players who don't understand how classes and a huge variety of combat styles play in No CP Cyrodiil, CP Cyrodiil, and the different Battlegrounds matches aren't going to be able to effectively advise the Developers on what's actually needing to be changed, nerfed, buffed, or reworked.

I hate to say this, because the feedback of every player is important, but if ZOS wants a group of widely experienced players to advise them about the development of the game, then most "average players" who just play the game as they like, even for 1000s of hours are just NOT going to have the breadth and depth of experience to offer substantive feedback on how to develop their class in PVP and PVE and future content.

Iluvrien · March 2019

Checkmath wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

If I didn’t have a potato laptop i would apply

Why should a laptop prevent you from doing so?
I played for a rather long time on a laptop too

Also I am excited to learn about all those people interested in joining us.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can we please have an email letter that we fill out that answers the questions and gives our opinions sent to us instead of this class rep program?
that way the actual feelings of the entire community could be seen rather than a few peoples personal opinions be seen.

Something like the Class Rep Feedback Form? Or their Discords?

no, not at all what i am asking the developers.
let me be as clear as possible.

i am asking the developers to send us (each account on the elderscrolls online database) a personal email that has all the questions about upcoming changes and ideas that are in the future patches, as well as a small space to write changes we personally have about our desires for changes. instead of having a class rep do it for us, and not a discord.
im talking about an email.
the reason is as i listed earlier:

"that the ability for a person to inject their own opinion to developers, and claim it is the wishes of the community, encourages me to believe that the program shouldn't exist."

i hope that answered your question and made it more clear what i was asking the developers for.

That method sounds like the Devs would have to wade through an enormous amount of trolling, junk, useless feedback and just plain inexperienced players' opinions on L2Play issues. Sturgeon's Law is a thing. The Class Reps generally match ZOS' vision for players that are experienced with all levels of content and the two gameplay modes that ZOS balances together: PVE and PVP. The majority of players in ESO do not fit that bill in one way or another, nor do we have any knowledge of ZOS' direction for development so even more of our survey feedback would be useless to the Devs.

I mean, if you want a place to express your opinion where the Devs can see it if they want, you've got the forums, right here. (Which, I love the forums, but we get a lot of trolliing, junk, useless feedback, and just plain inexperienced players' opinions on L2Play issues mixed in with the good stuff.)

The Class Rep program is clearly in addition to the forums, allowing the Reps to take community feedback and relay it to the Devs with the two-way communication between them and Devs in mind.

There's always a trade-off between having a group large enough to not form an echo chamber and a group small enough to actually get quality feedback and get stuff done. Its nice to see the Class Rep program expanding. But I don't think we need to flip it around and overwhelm the Devs with a playerbase-wide survey that's going to provide an awful lot of proof that Sturgeon's Law is a thing.

The Market Research industry* (my previous career before the current one) has spent decades working on how to handle hundreds of thousands of survey responses with as little direct time/energy/money input as possible while producing business insight/intelligence.

This problem already has reasonable solutions.

Now, if people are wanting to discuss whether ZOS has the interest or resources to pursue such things... that is a different question entirely.

[*and government, but ZOS does not, as yet, run a country]

templesus · March 2019

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Anyone who’s serious about this game and giving feedback has long since joined the Class Rep Discords. The communication channels are very alive. These Discords are currently where the majority of feedback is given and I can personally confirm at least on the Templar discord that @Checkmath and @Joy_Division are both active and engaged in getting feedback from the rest of us, even actively asking us questions in regards to how we would like certain abilities adjusted (such as Power of the Light being that it’s been bugged for years).

We’ve actually built a fairly good non-toxic community on the Templar discord that I’m pretty proud of based off of the grapevine of things I’ve heard regarding the other Discords bar DKs...part of it is because the people with little experience in the game are not present and giving feedback, it is a group of experienced like minded individuals who know the mechanics of the game fairly well. Inexperienced players often pop in with general questions and looking for help with the game and myself as well as several others are always willing to help them out.

ZOS_RikardD · March 2019

Greetings,

As part of this discussion has derailed, we have had to edit or remove several posts for baiting, bashing, or otherwise nonconstructive commentary.

Please remember to keep discussions constructive and civil and please take the time to review our Community Rules here.

Thank you for your understanding.

valeriiya · March 2019

@Koolio you should apply

Koolio · March 2019

valeriiya wrote: »

@Koolio you should apply

Between a 50 hr. Work week and running my PvP guild my time is fairly tight.

Maybe if there was a Bug Rep Program that would be my niche.

Plus I think I’ve done VHRC one time and that’s about the extent of my PVE knowledge. Enough to do all hard mode dungeons when we want gear/monster helms but that’s about it lol.

Thanks for the thought though

Gilvoth · March 2019

there are many like myself that are hard of hearing [deaf] and we don't join discord for obvious reasons.

templesus · March 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

there are many like myself that are hard of hearing [deaf] and we don't join discord for obvious reasons.

No actual talking goes on in the Discords, all communication is done via text chat.

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2019

templesus wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

there are many like myself that are hard of hearing [deaf] and we don't join discord for obvious reasons.

No actual talking goes on in the Discords, all communication is done via text chat.

In the community <=> reps Discords, yes. But the devs <=> reps meetings are 100% vocal, as far as I know.

templesus · March 2019

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

there are many like myself that are hard of hearing [deaf] and we don't join discord for obvious reasons.

No actual talking goes on in the Discords, all communication is done via text chat.

In the community <=> reps Discords, yes. But the devs <=> reps meetings are 100% vocal, as far as I know.

I was referring specifically to the players and rep communication, which is what @Gilvoth was talking about.

Checkmath · March 2019

I think if someone is really willed to give feedback to the reps, then it is very easy to do:
- There are specific class threads here in the forum, which contain lots of good discussions and feedback about the classes.
- All reps have a forum account, so come on, if you have a question or want an invite (a valid link to the discords), then just text one of us.
- Most of the reps are very active in the forum and read threads all day long.
- There is another way to give feedback for all forum users already in plan, just stay tuned.

What else do you want?

And please stop with this "the reps have their own agenda" stuff...
We collect lots of feedback and summarize it for the devs, nobody is pushing their own agenda. If you want to get heared by us, then go for the simple ways of contacting us, writing in the treads or joining the discords. It is easy, if you want it.

Minno · March 2019

Checkmath wrote: »

I think if someone is really willed to give feedback to the reps, then it is very easy to do:
- There are specific class threads here in the forum, which contain lots of good discussions and feedback about the classes.
- All reps have a forum account, so come on, if you have a question or want an invite (a valid link to the discords), then just text one of us.
- Most of the reps are very active in the forum and read threads all day long.
- There is another way to give feedback for all forum users already in plan, just stay tuned.

What else do you want?

And please stop with this "the reps have their own agenda" stuff...
We collect lots of feedback and summarize it for the devs, nobody is pushing their own agenda. If you want to get heared by us, then go for the simple ways of contacting us, writing in the treads or joining the discords. It is easy, if you want it.

They are right though, the reps do have an agenda; to get the game to a working place

VaranisArano · March 2019

Checkmath wrote: »

I think if someone is really willed to give feedback to the reps, then it is very easy to do:
- There are specific class threads here in the forum, which contain lots of good discussions and feedback about the classes.
- All reps have a forum account, so come on, if you have a question or want an invite (a valid link to the discords), then just text one of us.
- Most of the reps are very active in the forum and read threads all day long.
- There is another way to give feedback for all forum users already in plan, just stay tuned.

What else do you want?

And please stop with this "the reps have their own agenda" stuff...
We collect lots of feedback and summarize it for the devs, nobody is pushing their own agenda. If you want to get heared by us, then go for the simple ways of contacting us, writing in the treads or joining the discords. It is easy, if you want it.

@Checkmath What else do I want? Apparently, I need an updated post with the current links to the the discords and for that to be kept updated, as the one Google finds is apparently not the most current info.

If this one can't be updated, we need an update thread with current info: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedbacchannels

Edited to add: I'll note that the megathread for class feedback thread also links back to that same outdated post, so its a double whammy for anyone sitting down as I did and searching for how to leave feedback. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416472/megathread-feedback-threads-for-class-reps

Checkmath · March 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

I think if someone is really willed to give feedback to the reps, then it is very easy to do:
- There are specific class threads here in the forum, which contain lots of good discussions and feedback about the classes.
- All reps have a forum account, so come on, if you have a question or want an invite (a valid link to the discords), then just text one of us.
- Most of the reps are very active in the forum and read threads all day long.
- There is another way to give feedback for all forum users already in plan, just stay tuned.

What else do you want?

And please stop with this "the reps have their own agenda" stuff...
We collect lots of feedback and summarize it for the devs, nobody is pushing their own agenda. If you want to get heared by us, then go for the simple ways of contacting us, writing in the treads or joining the discords. It is easy, if you want it.

@Checkmath What else do I want? Apparently, I need an updated post with the current links to the the discords and for that to be kept updated, as the one Google finds is apparently not the most current info.

If this one can't be updated, we need an update thread with current info: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedbacchannels

Edited to add: I'll note that the megathread for class feedback thread also links back to that same outdated post, so its a double whammy for anyone sitting down as I did and searching for how to leave feedback. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416472/megathread-feedback-threads-for-class-reps

Well in my recent post you would find an easy way to solve your problem...
But I agree, I will have a look at the thread or if we can get a new one. Still if you want to provide feedback, go for it and dont blame a not working discord link.

Knootewoot · March 2019

I played ESO since beta. Vote for me for magblade rep, and I will get us the finger of death skill.
Finger of death: requires 7 pieces of light armor. If you type /point at an enemy player, he dies instantly exploding into ludicrous gibs.

Checkmath · March 2019

Knootewoot wrote: »

I played ESO since beta. Vote for me for magblade rep, and I will get us the finger of death skill.
Finger of death: requires 7 pieces of light armor. If you type /point at an enemy player, he dies instantly exploding into ludicrous gibs.

Thats OP, nErf niGHtblAdEs.

Gilvoth · March 2019

Checkmath wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I played ESO since beta. Vote for me for magblade rep, and I will get us the finger of death skill.
Finger of death: requires 7 pieces of light armor. If you type /point at an enemy player, he dies instantly exploding into ludicrous gibs.

Thats OP, nErf niGHtblAdEs.

next to your name, it says "Class Representative"

VaranisArano · March 2019

Checkmath wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

I think if someone is really willed to give feedback to the reps, then it is very easy to do:
- There are specific class threads here in the forum, which contain lots of good discussions and feedback about the classes.
- All reps have a forum account, so come on, if you have a question or want an invite (a valid link to the discords), then just text one of us.
- Most of the reps are very active in the forum and read threads all day long.
- There is another way to give feedback for all forum users already in plan, just stay tuned.

What else do you want?

And please stop with this "the reps have their own agenda" stuff...
We collect lots of feedback and summarize it for the devs, nobody is pushing their own agenda. If you want to get heared by us, then go for the simple ways of contacting us, writing in the treads or joining the discords. It is easy, if you want it.

@Checkmath What else do I want? Apparently, I need an updated post with the current links to the the discords and for that to be kept updated, as the one Google finds is apparently not the most current info.

If this one can't be updated, we need an update thread with current info: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416444/eso-class-representative-program-feedbacchannels

Edited to add: I'll note that the megathread for class feedback thread also links back to that same outdated post, so its a double whammy for anyone sitting down as I did and searching for how to leave feedback. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416472/megathread-feedback-threads-for-class-reps

Well in my recent post you would find an easy way to solve your problem...
But I agree, I will have a look at the thread or if we can get a new one. Still if you want to provide feedback, go for it and dont blame a not working discord link.

@Checkmath
I appreciate you taking a look at correcting that thread or working to get an updated one!

My concern is primarily that anyone who is looking for the proper channels to give feedback can find that info quickly and easily. While I am sure that you and the other class reps would be happy to hand out working discord links if asked, that does not consitute the same ease of access as an updated post linked to the megathread. In fact, as we've seen on this thread, the outdated links actually communicate the opposite to some players.

As I stated earlier to Masel, I post that link when I see players complaining they aren't able to give feedback to the reps or don't know how. Its much more accesible to post an updated list of where to leave feedback than it is to tell them "So, you'll need an updated discord link from the Class Rep because their feedback post isnt up to date, so PM them through the forums and ask if you want to do the discords." That method, while technically not difficult, is much more opaque than what we had at the start of the program.

For myself, I'm not concerned about my own opinions not being heard, since I regularly post on the forums in areas I care about (nor do I think all my opinions deserve to be listened to,

) I primarily want that updated post to serve as a clear and updated reference for players who do want to leave feedback or join the discords without uneccessary hoops.

Again, I do greatly appreciate you looking at how to clarify how to find the lines of communcation and channels for feedback. I've been pretty satisfied with the Class Rep program as a player, and so I'm eager to see that communication work as well as it can.

Audens · March 2019

I heavily support Code for class rep. He's a good dude, and would be a nice fit.