ESO I cheated on you and I'm sorry.
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Vlaxitov✭✭✭methjester wrote: »methjester wrote: »Any game that releases new content less than two months after release (at least in the mmo market) is hurting for funds.
The first few months of any MMO's life should not include new content, they should include final bug fixes and quality of life improvements that were missed in beta. If you didnt release your game with enough content to keep people occupied for a few months, that's a serious shortcoming.
Though, we all know the real issue here isnt that ESO released with too little content, it's that ESO released with so many exploits, bugs, and hacks that people were able to reach v10 in a matter of days rather than the months it should have taken.
Even if you were able to reach max level fast... what are you going to do? A level 37 can hit Emperor so there's no challenge there. There is no distinct armor related to being max level. There is nothing at max level that screams "HEY!! I'm max level, look at me!". In an MMO that pretty much is the point.
Now all you can do is follow a zerg, lurk in a perma crouch, or do a timed 12 man. That's... totally underwhelming in an MMO. NO collecting cool things, no real achievement hunting, no title grabs, no mount collecting.
Anyways, nothing to do but... Collect light armor pieces and wait 25 days?
Did you ever play pre-CU starwars: galaxies?
That game had zero pve endgame content, no pvp "missions" outside of bounty hunting, and completely open terrain worlds (If you thought cyrodiil was big and empty, you should've seen tattooine).
Despite all this, players still played (and paid subscriptions for) that game for years - I was one of them. What did we "do" at endgame? We socialized, we built cities, we had clan feuds and random, open world pvp. We set up RP events, we raided the enemy's towns.
There wasnt even a pvp reward system for that game, so you got -nothing- for participating in pvp: no titles, no gear, no fancy costumes, NOTHING to show the effort you put into the game.
Why then, you ask, did people pay to play that game? Why did they even do pvp?
The answer: for FUN.
Yes, people used to actually play games, especially MMO's, for -fun-. Not for pointless e-peen flaunting rewards, not so they could strut around some city showing off an armor set that might as well be labelled in bright neon letters "I have no life", not so they could find some asinine sense of accomplisment where non existed... they played for -fun-.
Why doesnt anyone do that anymore, I wonder?
I don't recall Galaxies being very popular. I believe that's why it went out of business ultimately and had no content released in the second half of it's duration. So far though I will say ESO is making Galaxies look good.
SWG wasn't nearly as popular as a lot of people remember it looking through their rose colored glasses. It topped out at 350k subs, pretty sad for the star wars name IMO.
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Vlaxitov✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »So pressing 1 for 12 hours straight was a challenge ? Yeah no Wildstar for me.
You don't mash the same button combos in ESO pretty much the whole time? Its exciting and challenging? You really did only use the resource building attack when you played wildstar? You play mmos in 12 hour shifts? It takes playing a good 12 hour shift to determine you don't like a mmo? If not, how many hours in did you realize you didn't like it and continued playing for 12 hours straight? It kills me to see people willing to be blatantly dishonest in defense of a video game.
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Aenra✭✭✭✭Nice post Laura, agree 100%
Could have added yet more, but if what you highlight yourself gets to become a priority, i'd be happy enough.Pride, honour and purity1 -
Ifthir_ESO✭✭✭✭✭thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »blah blah blah wildstar *** by thom
You sure frequent these forums a lot for a guy who advocates for wildstar at every chance he gets. Do us all a favor and go play that POS with the graphics from 1998. You sure talk it up a lot for a guy constantly bitching on these forums.
Life as an astro-turfer must be fun.
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ShinChuck✭✭✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »blah blah blah wildstar *** by thom
You sure frequent these forums a lot for a guy who advocates for wildstar at every chance he gets. Do us all a favor and go play that POS with the graphics from 1998. You sure talk it up a lot for a guy constantly bitching on these forums.
Life as an astro-turfer must be fun.
Cartoony graphics = / = 1998. There's no way you'd see something like WildStar in '98. To put it into perspective: big games of the year included stuff like Starcraft, Fallout 2 and Baldur's Gate, with the pinnacle of graphics at the time maybe being the first Half-Life or Virtua Fighter 3. And Daggerfall was the most recent Elder Scrolls.
I greatly prefer ESO's graphics and style, but we gotta be reasonable here. It just hurts our position if we're not.Edited by ShinChuck on 8 June 2014 18:42"It's morally wrong to suggest gameplay changes for an MMO."
...seriously, someone told me that once here. The things people will do to win their internet arguments!0 -
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✭Ifthir_ESO wrote: »thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »blah blah blah wildstar *** by thom
You sure frequent these forums a lot for a guy who advocates for wildstar at every chance he gets. Do us all a favor and go play that POS with the graphics from 1998. You sure talk it up a lot for a guy constantly bitching on these forums.
Life as an astro-turfer must be fun.
Cartoony graphics = / = 1998. There's no way you'd see something like WildStar in '98. To put it into perspective: big games of the year included stuff like Starcraft, Fallout 2 and Baldur's Gate, with the pinnacle of graphics at the time maybe being the first Half-Life or Virtua Fighter 3. And Daggerfall was the most recent Elder Scrolls.
I greatly prefer ESO's graphics and style, but we gotta be reasonable here. It just hurts our position if we're not.
Everquest came out late 98 too.
(I still play it too sometimes ><)
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Did you ever play pre-CU starwars: galaxies?
That game had zero pve endgame content, no pvp "missions" outside of bounty hunting, and completely open terrain worlds (If you thought cyrodiil was big and empty, you should've seen tattooine).
Despite all this, players still played (and paid subscriptions for) that game for years - I was one of them. What did we "do" at endgame? We socialized, we built cities, we had clan feuds and random, open world pvp. We set up RP events, we raided the enemy's towns.
There wasnt even a pvp reward system for that game, so you got -nothing- for participating in pvp: no titles, no gear, no fancy costumes, NOTHING to show the effort you put into the game.
Why then, you ask, did people pay to play that game? Why did they even do pvp?
The answer: for FUN.
Yes, people used to actually play games, especially MMO's, for -fun-. Not for pointless e-peen flaunting rewards, not so they could strut around some city showing off an armor set that might as well be labelled in bright neon letters "I have no life", not so they could find some asinine sense of accomplisment where non existed... they played for -fun-.
Why doesnt anyone do that anymore, I wonder?
Brother I hear you...but your comparison is broken. ESO doesn't offer world PvP like SWG did. And our crafters here in ESO cannot set up their own shops.
If I could point you to this site, since I think you will LOVE it: https://www.therepopulation.com/
Sign up there. The old school SWG are behind this game. You'll notice it's almost the same game in a different skin.0 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Good post, pretty much sums up how most of us feel.
So now you talk for most of us that play ESO i don't think so you never say thing like "how most of us feel" for you are not talk for everyone else so stop use word like that.
For it is really stupid to think that everyone feel like you are doing about the game for truth be told you don't know who everyone else feel about the game.
OP sure WS look nice but deep down it is just how WoW was back in day for what it is come down to with WS is just new version of WoW with a space theme instead of a fantasy theme for if WoW was made today it would look like WS when come to gfx. I was beta to WS and honest it did not feel any different
then WoW same interface same button click like WoW only thing that was now it was a space theme and you use gun on some of class other then it did not rock my boat at all.If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0