ESO I cheated on you and I'm sorry.

RagePlug

Well, my Sorc is VR 12 and i haven't logged for 1 week now, i don't even feel the need to log anymore. There's nothing left for me to do... Oh leveling an Alt? NEVER again!

RedTalon

born2beagator wrote: »

RedTalon wrote: »

Welcome back from Cartoon Star.

Thats what it really should be called. I have no desire to play that game just because of its art style

Strikes me has aim towards kids more then anything, but yeah Cartoon Star Online would fit more then anything.

Sendarya

AngryWolf wrote: »

I'd try a free MMO, but most that I have seen have the same cartoony graphics as WOW(barf) so couldn't play them without my eyes bleeding. I've played Age of Conan who graphics were amazing at the time, getting dated now. Any free MMO's out there that have somewhat realistic graphics?

@AngryWolf ....The Secret World

Happens to be made by the same people that made Conan. I highly recommend you give it a try. I think its 15 to buy the box, but free after that (so technically b2p). There is a TON of content in the box alone. You won't need to even look at the 10 buck content issues for months.

And it really IS play the way you want, far more than this game. All skills are open, you can mix and match 2 weapons, and none of them are gimped! Magic and guns? yes! Sword with an assault rifle? Absolutely!

And character customization rocks. The amount of in game clothing is phenomenal, everyone looks unique.

Also, combat is amazingly hard but fun. Story and immersion are the best I have ever experienced. Modern Horror done right.

Anyway. I agree with the op. I just went back to TSW, and may try Windstar once I finish playing around with the new Tokyo content. I want my game play to feel meaningful. Game play and meaning > graphics. Anyway, if cartoon graphics are done well, I don't mind them.

Housing is really important, especially if your game is lacking any other fun (working) end-game content like ESO is.

I love ESO, but after 50.....I am sorry. I will check you out again in 3 to 6 months and see if you have fixed classes, vet zones, crafting and pvp. I really hope you succeed!

Vlaxitov

I'm trying wildstar right now and don't be fooled by the fanboys, right out the gate its leaps and bounds more fun to play than eso. It almost plays like an arcade game I think puts it best.

I've only experienced a couple of minor issues so far, nothing near what I've experienced here. The UI isn't clunky, its actually customizable and game play is fluid.

Yes, if graphics are super important and you don't appreciate Ren & Stimpy styled humor, its probably not for you, but eso plays in slow motion in comparison. I'd personally rather it be cartoony and actually enjoy how it plays than it be visually impressive yet lulls me to sleep as I'm playing it. Lets be honest too, you can get better graphics out of skyrim than eso.

I had really low expectations of wildstar it coming from ncfail and all but it has surprised me a lot so far. Unlike the OP, I'm not in it for the long haul because I'm addicted to fun rather than addicted to mmos.

GreySix

Vlaxitov wrote: »

I'm trying wildstar right now and don't be fooled by the fanboys, right out the gate its leaps and bounds more fun to play than eso. It almost plays like an arcade game I think puts it best.

I've only experienced a couple of minor issues so far, nothing near what I've experienced here. The UI isn't clunky, its actually customizable and game play is fluid.

Yes, if graphics are super important and you don't appreciate Ren & Stimpy styled humor, its probably not for you, but eso plays in slow motion in comparison. I'd personally rather it be cartoony and actually enjoy how it plays than it be visually impressive yet lulls me to sleep as I'm playing it. Lets be honest too, you can get better graphics out of skyrim than eso.

I had really low expectations of wildstar it coming from ncfail and all but it has surprised me a lot so far. Unlike the OP, I'm not in it for the long haul because I'm addicted to fun rather than addicted to mmos.

Cool story.

When I want Elves in Space with cartoonish graphics, I'll check it out

... after it goes F2P.

Makkir

I cant believe anyone outside an 11 yr old is playing WildStar

RedTalon

@Vlaxitov The fact you needed to insult people right off says a lot, but have fun kido.

Vlaxitov

Look at all that white knighting..

Sorry but its just the way I see it when someone basically says something along the lines of "it doesn't matter what you do I will always pay you." Insult? maybe if its true. If not it would be a good laugh.

I was a huge fan of this franchise up to now so its not like it doesn't pain me to say what I have.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Not enough Hotfixing
Not enough coming in 1.2 patch
Stuff is being held off too long





Oh, and then there's Nightblades....

CosmicChaos

I've found the combat in it really underwhelming so far. I am going to give it to level 15 to sway me since some friends from ESO gave me a Guest pass. But to be honest it has a few interesting gimmicks, but it's more up the casual gamers alley. I have no real hope that I will want to pay $60 for something like that. The controls and UI are horrible.

methjester

Wildstar may be more cartoony, but I'm pretty sure there is more to do at max level than play follow the zerg and do a timed dungeon.

magickats242cub18_ESO

Vlaxitov wrote: »

I'm trying wildstar right now and don't be fooled by the fanboys, right out the gate its leaps and bounds more fun to play than eso. It almost plays like an arcade game I think puts it best.

I've only experienced a couple of minor issues so far, nothing near what I've experienced here. The UI isn't clunky, its actually customizable and game play is fluid.

Yes, if graphics are super important and you don't appreciate Ren & Stimpy styled humor, its probably not for you, but eso plays in slow motion in comparison. I'd personally rather it be cartoony and actually enjoy how it plays than it be visually impressive yet lulls me to sleep as I'm playing it. Lets be honest too, you can get better graphics out of skyrim than eso.

I had really low expectations of wildstar it coming from ncfail and all but it has surprised me a lot so far. Unlike the OP, I'm not in it for the long haul because I'm addicted to fun rather than addicted to mmos.

This reminds me of several posts that people you call "Fanbois" say about ESO. It only proves that people will like what they like, and there are no accounting for tastes. Let the ESO fans enjoy their game, and you go and enjoy yours. It's after all, opinions, and people are entitled to them.

tordr86b16_ESO

Trying to level up skills at veteran ranks are silly, millions upon millions of exp. I'm sorry but your system is ***.

Lynx7386

Any game that releases new content less than two months after release (at least in the mmo market) is hurting for funds.

The first few months of any MMO's life should not include new content, they should include final bug fixes and quality of life improvements that were missed in beta. If you didnt release your game with enough content to keep people occupied for a few months, that's a serious shortcoming.

Though, we all know the real issue here isnt that ESO released with too little content, it's that ESO released with so many exploits, bugs, and hacks that people were able to reach v10 in a matter of days rather than the months it should have taken.

methjester

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Any game that releases new content less than two months after release (at least in the mmo market) is hurting for funds.

The first few months of any MMO's life should not include new content, they should include final bug fixes and quality of life improvements that were missed in beta. If you didnt release your game with enough content to keep people occupied for a few months, that's a serious shortcoming.

Though, we all know the real issue here isnt that ESO released with too little content, it's that ESO released with so many exploits, bugs, and hacks that people were able to reach v10 in a matter of days rather than the months it should have taken.

Even if you were able to reach max level fast... what are you going to do? A level 37 can hit Emperor so there's no challenge there. There is no distinct armor related to being max level. There is nothing at max level that screams "HEY!! I'm max level, look at me!". In an MMO that pretty much is the point.

Now all you can do is follow a zerg, lurk in a perma crouch, or do a timed 12 man. That's... totally underwhelming in an MMO. NO collecting cool things, no real achievement hunting, no title grabs, no mount collecting.

Anyways, nothing to do but... Collect light armor pieces and wait 25 days?

Dusty5

This thread reads like a daytime soap. Where is spiderman when you need him?

MaxBat

Wait a minute: if you cheated on TESO by playing Wildstar, then what sin did I commit tonight by playing Skyrim?

Something that's illegal in 48 states ...

Murmeltier

Sandmanninja wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

Agree... most people are leaving after VR 12 because well.. they have nothing left to do.

Wait. Are these (mostly) the same people that group with other like-minded individuals and (fully exercising their right to play the game how they want to play it), RUSH to VR12?

Just asking...

Because I'm almost VR3 and I'm not just hitting the Caldwell's Quests - I'm doing all I come across. Why? Gives me something to do and I'm enjoying the experience of new content (gasp!). Also, I'm not 12 years old and I don't demand instant satisfaction of being max level cap because I know it's not the destination - it's the journey.

Ah, that hits the Point, nice Post. It is really funny to see, that this Art of Playstyle adds an Art of Blindness to the own Behaviour.

I have played all the large MMORPGs outthere and it is everytime the same. SOME People starts the Games as fast as they can, to reach the Maxlevel sooner then others. This People use Information from the Betaplayer and Internetsites. They start and know the fastest Way , best Build and the best Skills. Then as they hit the Maxlevel they call a Game broken because it has no ENDCONTENT.

The other Players enjoy the normal Way, have Tons to do in this Game and dont reach the Maxlevel soon. Those People who yell at Maxlevel are not the important Playerbase but they are the loudest. See, i am Maxlevel now, i am cool and can explain you how it should work. See, i am here and you have to listen to my Words because i am Maxlevel, and so on and on.

Then a new MMORPG comes out and they jump over to the new Train and do the same Thing there. It is a boring Story, like i go into a Bookstore , buy a new Bestseller and read only the last Site. Then i go and cry this is a f**** Book because i have read it and there isnt a next Book in Line. It is the Journey as the Poster above says, that counts.

I plan to play the most MMORPGs and look what Game is Fun to me. I have no Time for all of them but i want to see how they works and choose one to play a lot, maybe second one as a backup. Wildstar and Teso i was heading for.

Teso offers me a really longtime Motivation because of all the Stuff like Crafting and collecting Skyshards or do some Questing at Veteran-Ranks and PvP. I am Level 46 now and i have much to do yet and i have Fun.

You rush, you read the last Site before you use the Book like it was planned for, then do it but dont Cry. You have cheat yourself through use the fastest Way, dont throw the Dirt that you have produced at others who play the Things right.

And for Wildstar, i have played (Key/Gamestop) this Game for 5 Min and thought:*Holly Hell this is WoW 2 in Space, they copy the Style from WoW for sure. And holly Hell, it lags or slows down my PC and i have a good one. The Graphics in Wildstar isnt good enough to slow down a Highend PC, Teso runs smooth with all the Settings to high/ultrahigh.

I play Teso for sure and have Wildstar as a Backup Game for sure because i am curious how both evolve. My Wildstar Deluxe Edition stays untouched in his Box with a Gamecard next to it because i have too much Fun in Teso and cant offer more Time for Wildstar soon.

Teso have a very good Base and much Volume for the Start. Dont listen at the People who tells you that the Game is sh** because it has no Endcontent, they are Targets of their own Playstyle. Dont copy this and you will have much more Fun and Time ingame.

MFG Murmeltier.

Necronomicon

I feel your pain OP, I'm so close to going to wildstar, maybe I'll play both since you can buy subs with ingame gold

Fuzzylumpkins

Have to add that aside from the wildstar part, most of the experienced (this is not their first mmo) players can agree with the OPs post.

Drasn

I started Wildstar during early access, (had no intention of buying it until ESO let me down) and I'm having a blast.

Yes, the graphics are awkward at first, especially after having played ESO for the last couple months. But they do grow on you. To me it feels like 3D Earthworm Jim art style.

It has a welcome humor that isn't overbearing, just there bringing a smile to your face every once in a while.

It does have a larger UI than ESO, that's for sure. But everything is fully customizable.

Those who compare the Wildstar's gameplay to WoW's obviously have only seen videos or screenshots. The game is action oriented like ESO, the primary difference being that you have 8 skills to use rather than 5(6). Dodge rolls(dashes) consume their own resourse, sprinting consumes it's own resource. Like ESO, it's a run and gun type game, (you aren't rooted while casting) unless you play an Esper(it's part of that classes mechanic).

PVP in Wildstar is much more accessible than AvA in ESO. When you first unlock PVP you get access to 2 10V10 battlegrounds, later you gain access to Arena's and Warplots(40v40). And you also have access to rated PvP which IMO is a plus.

kasain

Wildstar is a kid and famy game. Eso adult only. And its nit cheat8ng if you see 5h8ngs you like and tell your girl to change, shape up or ship out.

nudel

Vlaxitov wrote: »

I'm trying wildstar right now and don't be fooled by the fanboys, right out the gate its leaps and bounds more fun to play than eso. It almost plays like an arcade game I think puts it best.

I've only experienced a couple of minor issues so far, nothing near what I've experienced here. The UI isn't clunky, its actually customizable and game play is fluid.

Yes, if graphics are super important and you don't appreciate Ren & Stimpy styled humor, its probably not for you, but eso plays in slow motion in comparison. I'd personally rather it be cartoony and actually enjoy how it plays than it be visually impressive yet lulls me to sleep as I'm playing it. Lets be honest too, you can get better graphics out of skyrim than eso.

I had really low expectations of wildstar it coming from ncfail and all but it has surprised me a lot so far. Unlike the OP, I'm not in it for the long haul because I'm addicted to fun rather than addicted to mmos.

As soon as 'fanboy' enters your sentence, everything after is rendered invalid.

methjester

kasain wrote: »

Wildstar is a kid and famy game. Eso adult only. And its nit cheat8ng if you see 5h8ngs you like and tell your girl to change, shape up or ship out.

Adults only? Why exactly is that? I don't see how more realist graphics make a game better or adult oriented. There still isn't anything to do in ESO except quests intended to level. No end game content. At all.

kasain

Angry joe gave it a high rating. Wildstar. The fact so many people left, maybe his reviews are truth. Those who dont believe are in denial

ers101284b14_ESO

I tried Wildstar also because everyone raving about it. After twelve hours of pressing 1 and beating everything I came back to ESO since it actually gives me a challenge.

Drasn

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I tried Wildstar also because everyone raving about it. After twelve hours of pressing 1 and beating everything I came back to ESO since it actually gives me a challenge.

You shouldn't have to self gimp yourself for a challenge. Because that's the only way ESO was challenging.

kasain

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

I tried Wildstar also because everyone raving about it. After twelve hours of pressing 1 and beating everything I came back to ESO since it actually gives me a challenge.

You shouldn't have to self gimp yourself for a challenge. Because that's the only way ESO was challenging.

Story, great, phazing great.

Bosses, a joke zero challange. Bind, curse, collect 20 gold. Talk to npc, repeat.
Eso only challange are a few dungeons or sometimes a pack of mobs. But
repeating that over and over is boring.

As for pvp most players couldnt handle it. Had to cry bolt escape nrrf be ause using their own skill and ja's was to hard vs zerg.
So no eso only challenge was when they screwed up on 1.2 update. At that time eso rocked!

But again players cried........

Thunderchief

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

Its partly your fault though!

I tried Wildstar and it is a well polished game with tons of things to do. You have housing, multiple different ways to pve, cool dungeons.

However its just more of the same, its a clunky UI, eye gouging flashy effects, over use of the telegraph system, extremely cartoonish, cheeky silly humor, and etc. These are all taste oriented and is why I can't stand the game and came back to ESO.


However... at its core Wildstar is a better, more polished, and full experience.

ZoS I love your game or I wouldn't be here, I believe in what you are doing but some serious things need to happen here.

Craglorn is a bust. I'm sorry but it is - the raids aren't fun or challenging at all, no bosses have multiple phases, there are no real surprises.

We need collectibles and things that casual players can do to keep them selves in the game grouping is great i'm ALL about grouping. but sometimes you just want to be left alone and do some solo stuff on the side that still makes you feel like you are benefiting your character.

Mounts for reputation, pets for reputation, gear and etc. there are lots of carrots here for you to use. Some tried and true methods should be used and wont make the game "wowish" trust me that is the LAST thing I want.

Reputation grinds are in games because they work and they keep people invested. As it is now I can log out and come back two weeks later and feel like I have missed absolutely nothing! THAT needs to change.


I really believe in what you are doing ZoS but lets get some things in the game that really keep people invested - the stick is great but you are seriously lacking the carrots.

Make some new skill lines that are extremely difficult (or time consuming) to get and difficult to rank up! (necromancy anyone?)

Maybe an entirely cosmetic skill line (bard) that is just good for playing new songs or flashy parlor tricks in taverns (a bards guild with a heavy grind)

I think you should seriously get on the ball with fixing that collectible thing in the achievements, maybe have droppable pets off mobs to farm or things of that nature.

Also - what is the most popular thing in Wildstar right now? Housing... I think an anniversary or two might be a liiiiitle too long for you to put housing in an elder scrolls game.

I'm here for the long haul but my sub alone isn't going to pay for the game.

I don't know how you are going to get back all the people that lost patience and walked away - but something big will need to happen.

PS. Thank you for allowing everyone to test now. Better late than never I guess but a lot of your lost subs are from bugs that could have been prevented with a higher pool of testers.

sounds like your fling was giving good Bj's might wanna reconsider long term relationship

really? you quoted 17 paragraphs for a one liner?

Lynx7386

methjester wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Any game that releases new content less than two months after release (at least in the mmo market) is hurting for funds.

The first few months of any MMO's life should not include new content, they should include final bug fixes and quality of life improvements that were missed in beta. If you didnt release your game with enough content to keep people occupied for a few months, that's a serious shortcoming.

Though, we all know the real issue here isnt that ESO released with too little content, it's that ESO released with so many exploits, bugs, and hacks that people were able to reach v10 in a matter of days rather than the months it should have taken.

Even if you were able to reach max level fast... what are you going to do? A level 37 can hit Emperor so there's no challenge there. There is no distinct armor related to being max level. There is nothing at max level that screams "HEY!! I'm max level, look at me!". In an MMO that pretty much is the point.

Now all you can do is follow a zerg, lurk in a perma crouch, or do a timed 12 man. That's... totally underwhelming in an MMO. NO collecting cool things, no real achievement hunting, no title grabs, no mount collecting.

Anyways, nothing to do but... Collect light armor pieces and wait 25 days?

Did you ever play pre-CU starwars: galaxies?

That game had zero pve endgame content, no pvp "missions" outside of bounty hunting, and completely open terrain worlds (If you thought cyrodiil was big and empty, you should've seen tattooine).

Despite all this, players still played (and paid subscriptions for) that game for years - I was one of them. What did we "do" at endgame? We socialized, we built cities, we had clan feuds and random, open world pvp. We set up RP events, we raided the enemy's towns.

There wasnt even a pvp reward system for that game, so you got -nothing- for participating in pvp: no titles, no gear, no fancy costumes, NOTHING to show the effort you put into the game.

Why then, you ask, did people pay to play that game? Why did they even do pvp?

The answer: for FUN.

Yes, people used to actually play games, especially MMO's, for -fun-. Not for pointless e-peen flaunting rewards, not so they could strut around some city showing off an armor set that might as well be labelled in bright neon letters "I have no life", not so they could find some asinine sense of accomplisment where non existed... they played for -fun-.

Why doesnt anyone do that anymore, I wonder?