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Since Zenimax has destroyed DKs to the point of unplayability....
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pecheckler✭✭✭✭✭DK still too powerful. Templar still sucks.End the tedious inventory management game.4 -
dafraorb16_ESO✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »
This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"
They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class
lmfao
We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.
DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).
What?
I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!
My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an execute
which does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
WTF are you serious?
Why are you talking about a class that you NEVER play?
L2P GodModeKnight
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Gwarok✭✭✭Point being with all the raging is...
try, just try questing in Stormhaven (Note: mobs are marked as VR-2) as a DK or even a NB AT VR-5 and see how far you get. IF you can get through 3 sets of mobs that are chained together in groups of 2 or even 3, then you are either cheating or you're a friggen GOD.
THE MOBS HIT RETARDEDLY-STUPID HARD AND ARE NOT FIT TO BE IN THAT ZONE They should be sitting in CRAGLORN with as hard as they are hitting.
NOT A VR-2 ZONE.Edited by Gwarok on 4 June 2014 03:14"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
"I am ALWAYS very busy, so I KNOW what's best. You need to stay away from the waterfall. TRUST ME, you're better off keeping busy than playing in the stream....Do you know how to swim, Little Scrib?"
"I am but a simple farmer". -Rags'nar LodesBroke
#SKOOMA!
(Juliet):
...it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man.
O, be some other name!
What's in a name?
That which we call a rose?
By any other name would smell as sweet.
Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
(Act II, Scene II -William Shakespeare's: Romeo & Juliet -1595 A.D.)1 -
Mortosk✭✭✭✭Do anyone see what are ALL, i repeat ALL COMMENTS doing here?
They're all competing to see who has the worst class.
When someone says DK is bad, four people response "Oh you should try templar" "Oh, NB is ***, you should be happy".
In other case, a templar post for example.
"Oh, templar isn't ***, you should try DK, that's ***"
in other terms, people are just like.
-All the classes are OP except mine. So i'm gonna throw *** about my class and say that every other class is OP in every nerf thread i see.
Grow the *** up.
Also, excuse my english.
No, you don't understand. Templars are the worst class. NB's are firmly in 2nd place for worst class, I'll grant them that! You can't haz our trophy, NB's.
And, you should read a few of the reactions to people posting about Templar's and NB's plight in this thread, and the laughing out loud at DK's who say they will be underpowered now. This might shed some light on your confusion.
"Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)3 -
aeroch✭✭✭ITT staff/LA DKs are OP coming from broken Nightblades and Templars who demand balance based on their broken subpar classes
ITT ZOS obliges rather than fix Nightblades and Templars0 -
TwoClips✭✭OP.
Wait till you see the proposed changes on the PTS.
This day has been ridiculously fubared in regards to this game.1 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »
your doing it wrong lol i have a dk sword and board and can hit 400 plus dps with no problems at vet5.0 -
Blackwidow wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »
That would take actually thinking about your abilities, much harder than typing a well-thought-out post on a forum. I guess they don't actually do either though
, being Trolls themselves.
I think it is unfair to call him a troll, just because he has a hard time killing stuff.
i'll have to agree. labeling someone a troll is harsh. its entirely possible that he is only capable of playing by verbally directing a semi trained monkey to input his commands.
standard and magma armor are still 2 of the best ultimates. you can randomly pick skills from ardent flame and draconic power and kill stuff effectively mashing 1-5 on the keyboard. if you cant kill stuff as a dk then perhaps something less challenging is in order, like competitive napping.
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Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an execute which does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
Come on man, I knew you would bring up Ambush. It's a decent gap closer, but that's it. You can't kite with it, you can't escape with it, it's only useful as a gap closer. That's all. You could just as easily replace it with shield charge. The only movement buff NBs have is in stealth IF we have Concealed Weapon slotted and only boosts STEALTH movement by 22%. I'm surprised you brought up the shades teleport to be honest. I had pretty much forgotten about that skill as no one uses it. If we had an ability like Bolt Escape, then you might have a point.
As for our so called burst, all you did was list a few of our damage abilities... Where's the burst DPS you speak of? Concealed Weapon and Death Stroke are two of our best low cost damage abilities sure, but they don't compare to what a Sorc or DK can pull off. I was hoping you had some secret build to show me... The best DPS build NBs have right now uses non of the specific skills you mentioned.Edited by Loco_Mofo on 4 June 2014 03:480 -
Attorneyatlawl wrote: »My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an execute which does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.
Come on man, I knew you would bring up Ambush. It's a decent gap closer, but that's it. You can't kite with it, you can't escape with it, it's only useful as a gap closer. That's all. You could just as easily replace it with shield charge. The only movement buff NBs have is in stealth IF we have Concealed Weapon slotted and only boosts STEALTH movement by 22%. I'm surprised you brought up the shades teleport to be honest. I had pretty much forgotten about that skill as no one uses it. If we had an ability like Bolt Escape, then you might have a point.
As for our so called burst, all you did was list a few of our damage abilities... Where's the burst DPS you speak of? Concealed Weapon and Death Stroke are two of our best low cost damage abilities sure, but they don't compare to what a Sorc or DK can pull off. I was hoping you had some secret build to show me... The best DPS build NBs have right now uses non of the specific skills you mentioned.
but its fun playing leap frog with ambush/wrecking blow. at least until the 1.2 leeching strikes nerf.0 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭
That cause templar don't have any magicka regen skills unlike all other classes. In beta we had the best, but just before go live, the killed it into the ground. But we just used lots of potions and healing staff to get by.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I just hope they wont nerf the magicka regen that the healing staff charge atk got.
Being a templar that does come in handy.
Fix our resource management skills and that will fix 90% of the templars issues.
All other classes can have endless mana for long fights if they use the right skills. Templars HAVE to use healing staffs and potions
I actually believe all other classes are going to lose their "endless mana" and be brought into line with Templars as this would fix the balance between Magicka and Stamina that people want so desperately.
I guess we can only wait and see after NightBlades get "fixed".0 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why do I read this crap?
How do you keep luring me in?"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?3 -
moXrox✭✭✭.....lol DK destroyed.
Seriously, maybe you should check out a different DK build.Music Channel:
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Mortosk✭✭✭✭ITT staff/LA DKs are OP coming from broken Nightblades and Templars who demand balance based on their broken subpar classes
ITT ZOS obliges rather than fix Nightblades and Templars
I suppose this is one way to fix Templars and Nightblades. Make everyone suck equally."Now I stand, the lion before the lambs and they do not fear. They can not fear." --Arthas Menethil (aka, The Lich King)2 -
Zenzu✭✭
Rephrased OP for people who don't understand internet crying:
"Now that DKs are slightly less overpowered I want to quit the game because my class is no longer as privileged as I am in real life"5 -
concobar✭✭✭And yet even tonight in crag people were looking for DK dps specifically.I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.1 -
I really would like to hear the general consensus on the definition of this word : unplayable2 -
Sallakat✭✭✭How many DK whine- threads does this forum really need...?Rebuilt - Aldmeri Dominion
Kaia Linnea - templar
Ruusu - sorcerer
Aino - nightblade3 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭I dont feel even the nerf on the ultimate of the dk in pve i can still take down 5-6 mob with the stendard of might down with a dps around 750 the real fact is the reset of the ultimate on pvp yesterday i've played 4 hours and i never used it...Signature1 -
tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those who even DARE to call balance to DKs, which I am one, for NERFS.....you are not just wrong, you are insulting Zenimax for doing exactly what all of us wants them to do. BALANCING!
Stop thinking about only YOU. Open your mind and look at the whole. Balancing will never be 100%, ever. But these comments about NERFS for DKs are just embarresing for us DKs.
There are 4 classes in the game, but the BASE idea is that the class itself does not define your "class". You build do. And skills are always up for balancing.
I FAIL to understand these comments when something gets changed that some feels makes them less powerful, that they would quit!?!?!?!
Are these people such bad players that they cant adapt and play good unless their character skills are better then others?
Common!!
STOP IT! Play the game!
"Play it your way" is ***. The game doesn't work that way because each class has been designed with unique roles to fill, and each class performs better or poorly in said areas of the game. Which means you will have x amount of builds that works great, and then other builds that are not worth taking because they suck.Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on 4 June 2014 06:262 -
ForTheRealm✭✭✭
DKs are still better and more desired in endgame groups than NBs or Temps.
Agree.
My DK alt is hurt a lot because of two last patches and it is not as desired for trials as Sorcs, but it still can fill a place there... I can't wait for the time when my Temp will have a chance to be equally effective.
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Kililin✭✭✭✭My advice would be, after the patch hits live, check your game.
Can you live with the changes done to your char? If not just quit.
And please don't get this wrong. I would do the same, my main is a sorcerer, i don't really mind the bolt escape change. But if they would change my damage output in a way that would impede my current gameplay, i would quit.
The state of the game is so bad, they really should have other things to do than nerfing things. Like buffing templars and NB's in usefull ways, fixing bugs and so on.
After they operate a working game, they can start to do balancing nerfs if it is still needed.
At the moment they have no right to *** people off, it is not like the game is working as intended.0 -
AinGeal✭✭✭My lvl 24 DK in lvl 16 greens (I crafted it myself and haven't replaced any pieces yet) just solo'ed Mabrigash tonight but please do tell how useless DK are.4
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No, you don't understand. Templars are the worst class. NB's are firmly in 2nd place for worst class, I'll grant them that! You can't haz our trophy, NB's.
And, you should read a few of the reactions to people posting about Templar's and NB's plight in this thread, and the laughing out loud at DK's who say they will be underpowered now. This might shed some light on your confusion.
You just... you just confirmed my message.
what do you want? a boohoo from all the classes to make you feel better that you're a templar?
you're clearly doing what i said people are doing.
You just acted like i said people act.
you're confused.
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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »
This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"
They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class
lmfao
We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.
DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).
What?
I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!
He's obviously never played a NB. I always bring up the fact that: NB (and templars to some extent) are literally being ignored for trials because of how bad we are compared to everyone else.
read: We're so bad we're not even a candidate for trials (Obviously for most groups. I know some guilds and blah blah, but as a whole)
edit: Forgot to mention something. We literally have a topic just for NB and it's future fixes. We are so bad we're getting special attention so that we have hope.
LOL. My just-shy-of-VR10 live NB (that did all up until VR8 inside of normal vet zones before Crag hit) would like to talk to you in PVP. So would my VR6 PTS NB that I played for about 4 months before launch. You talk of not playing an NB, well you may have one too but you haven't ever played it beyond begging for buffs apparently.
NB is the only class I play mate (vr12, tested/respeced tons of times to test various builds as I'm sure you have), and I know what you mean, we do quiet well in pvp (I got a KD counter and it gets pretty high ). I have virtually 0 problems with NBs in pvp, its pve that I have an issue with.
Like I said, some people are taking NB's, and it's usually guilds. Most groups are not, and templars to some extent as well.
p.s Who doesn't want buffs for their class? I mostly just want my skills fixed 1 -
Covyn✭✭✭It's not the class....DK's are still fine....in one build (light armor + staff). The Problem is ZoS has done nothing to improve any of the STA builds rendering all weapons beyond a staff severely lackluster. You can't "play the way you want" like they told everyone you could. Regardless of what class you are, if you are not wearing a dress and using a walking stick, you will suffer....and if you already were suffering with another weapon build, you will feel it even more now.
ZoS needs to address the other weapons and Armor builds, and bring them in-line. I parked my DK just due to the simple fact I am sick of wearing a dress and forced into being a mage.Gyxx (VR1) Templar
Quidd (VR5) Nightblade
Kadzien (15) Sorc
Covyn (VR12) DragonKnight (now spends his days crafting)2 -
I think all the LOL downvoters here are forgetting without LA + staff the DK class line is actually weak especially at melee, it's that niche cookie cutter armor/weapon use that makes the DK seem more overpowered than it is. And it's not only DK that benefit hugely from the LA + staff combo, both NB and sorc have the capability to solo most of Craglorn using similar sets of builds.
I don't see how making one class line weaker is going to fix the imbalances as they are still going to exist with other classes, light armor and staff skills/passives are the real issues with this game at the moment. Why even bother equipping anything else?8
