Since Zenimax has destroyed DKs to the point of unplayability....

Devlinne

The day your dragon blood stops healing you from the brink of death to the brink of FULL LIFE. Then i will say DK is finally balanced.
Cool right? Watching an opponent blow more than half his resource, then u press ONE button and all his work was for naught.

Yeah. DK unplayable. Huehuehueheuhuehuehue!-___-

anakaki

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

canghai wrote: »

by unplayable u mean on par with other classes right?

typical DK, now that u cant own everyone and everything and things require more skill and thought its "unplayable"

typical dk is typical

LOL not even, they're still ahead of the pack, which is why this is so hilarious.

This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"

They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class

lmfao

We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.

DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).

What?

I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!

My NB has ambush for in-combat teleporting and initiation with stealth damage bonus, dot stacking, 50 cost high-burst-dmg ult + heal debuff, concealed weapon spam for low resource cost, and ranged specs that are good for DPS'ing, all make those three statements true. Oh, and we also get shadow image if you really want another teleport for some reason. Add in dark cloak letting us move at high speed in-combat (we gain stealth speed from concealed weapons and vampire passive) while invisible and auto-stopping any casts against us, and we have amazing mobility and burst damage in pvp. EDIT: Forgot to mention that we have an execute which does huge damage (850-950 + can crit upwards of 1500+ with killer's blade) as NB's. DK has none.

WTF are you serious?
Why are you talking about a class that you NEVER play?
L2P GodModeKnight

He does this. The posts are all over. He says templars and NB need L2P and many times OP due to the fact he has played them in beta/PTS. Smell the smoke anyone?

Oh yeah, and hes a DK on top of this on live.

Lorkhan

op is a troll

ErykGrimm

Devlinne wrote: »

The day your dragon blood stops healing you from the brink of death to the brink of FULL LIFE. Then i will say DK is finally balanced.
Cool right? Watching an opponent blow more than half his resource, then u press ONE button and all his work was for naught.

Yeah. DK unplayable. Huehuehueheuhuehuehue!-___-

Dragon blood heals for 33% of missing health. Your math skills are lacking.

Kililin

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

I think all the LOL downvoters here are forgetting without LA + staff the DK class line is actually weak especially at melee, it's that niche cookie cutter armor/weapon use that makes the DK seem more overpowered than it is. And it's not only DK that benefit hugely from the LA + staff combo, both NB and sorc have the capability to solo most of Craglorn using similar sets of builds.

I don't see how making one class line weaker is going to fix the imbalances as they are still going to exist with other classes, light armor and staff skills/passives are the real issues with this game at the moment. Why even bother equipping anything else?

You can not downvote with lol, it levels you and provides badges

Stratti

Honestly levelling in this game was a waste of my time . I enjoy it but I fear it will be a failure and I will have to go to another.

Play the way you want was the tag line. As if.

babylon

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about a free class change? Its clear through all your patch choices that you want to kill off DKs in favor of light armor wearing, staff using sorcs. Long live Everbody's Sorcerers Online

What is this...is this a LOL farming thread? OP has 25 LOLs right now (and nothing else).

KerinKor

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Since Zenimax has destroyed DKs to the point of unplayability

Posting gross over-exaggerations isn't good for one's credibility I find.

Ohioastro

Rule 1 of MMOs: If class rebalancing upsets you, you shouldn't be playing. Because if there is anything that you can guarantee in a MMO, especially a PvP one, it's that the relative power of different classes will be continually adjusted. That ability that seems too good to last, is.

Wifeaggro13

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

canghai wrote: »

by unplayable u mean on par with other classes right?

typical DK, now that u cant own everyone and everything and things require more skill and thought its "unplayable"

typical dk is typical

LOL not even, they're still ahead of the pack, which is why this is so hilarious.

This so much. It's funny because theyre like "WTF WHY CAN'T I SOLO 10+ PEOPLE ANYMORE? WE SUCK"

They don't realize just how ridiculous they really were before this. Funniest part is that they're STILL the best class

lmfao

We do the same dmg as sorcs can at 28 meters but have to be in melee range with no mobility skills like sorcs or templars have. Yay? Just saying... DK are about even with everyone else now but night blade veil of blades s a superior ultimate hitting harder, providing three times the damage mitigation, and 1.5x the mitigation to their allies.

DK Talons are now unable to catch a dodge roller without pre - chasing where you think they'll go as they are melee range, too. Not necessarily a bad thing but people are kidding themselves to be demanding more dk nerfs from here. Sorcerers and night blades both are superior at this point, sorcerer for range dmg and mobility, night blade for veil, mobility, and burst dps (they can match a dk easily with proper dot spec for sustained in raids).

What?

I can accept that we have a good ult in Veil of Blades, but I have no idea where you're getting this superior mobility & burst damage. Please explain, as I'd love these things on my NB!

He's obviously never played a NB. I always bring up the fact that: NB (and templars to some extent) are literally being ignored for trials because of how bad we are compared to everyone else.

read: We're so bad we're not even a candidate for trials (Obviously for most groups. I know some guilds and blah blah, but as a whole)

edit: Forgot to mention something. We literally have a topic just for NB and it's future fixes. We are so bad we're getting special attention so that we have hope.

LOL. My just-shy-of-VR10 live NB (that did all up until VR8 inside of normal vet zones before Crag hit) would like to talk to you in PVP. So would my VR6 PTS NB that I played for about 4 months before launch. You talk of not playing an NB, well you may have one too but you haven't ever played it beyond begging for buffs apparently .

Most here know who you are and were working out these builds far before launch on PTS. And yes many of the complainers are simply people who have not figured out the optimal builds for their CHR's in their perspective class.

I think what the main issue roadblocking people is heavy stamina builds in night blade , it really transcends across all classes as well. Stamina builds and stamina in general is pretty wonky . armor passives for heavy and medium do not pan out as well in end game as does light. Primarily the hundings increase was a cheap way to increase melee with out having to address the issues of each individual ability or passive. you have made great videos showing what creativity and skill can accomplish with the DK. but unfortunately it spawned a complete outrage and many believed there was no skill involved with doing those VR 4 mans solo. the truth is any class in light armor with resto destro combo with the right build will have certain strengths another class will not have. Sure DK needed a DPS adjustment but they chose to destroy its utility as well to balance the PVP side.

The basic group will now really struggle with some of these VR dungeons with these changes. trash is just ridiculous now Utility and CC just sucks for managing 16 mob piles of garbage its VR spam and AOE no real strategy there. And the game will suffer as Zos will have no choice but to scale back diffculty to a eye drooping drooling pace of non sense , it happens at every post launch 4 to 6 month point. but in all honesty Lawl you can not really say stamina and night blades are completely functioning. right now my Fav class and top performer is the sorc over my DK anyhow. though ive not tried to tank with it. honestly i see things getting way worse before it even remotely looks better in the balance department.

Mortosk

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

How about a free class change? Its clear through all your patch choices that you want to kill off DKs in favor of light armor wearing, staff using sorcs. Long live Everbody's Sorcerers Online

I kinda liked Elder Staff Online better, more catchy.

Mortosk

Findécano wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

No, you don't understand. Templars are the worst class. NB's are firmly in 2nd place for worst class, I'll grant them that! You can't haz our trophy, NB's.

And, you should read a few of the reactions to people posting about Templar's and NB's plight in this thread, and the laughing out loud at DK's who say they will be underpowered now. This might shed some light on your confusion.

You just... you just confirmed my message.
what do you want? a boohoo from all the classes to make you feel better that you're a templar?

you're clearly doing what i said people are doing.
You just acted like i said people act.
you're confused.

Yea, I did. That was kinda the point. Lighten up a little

hk11

I used to feel sort of bad for Templars, but now view them as spiteful nerfmongers.

Reykice

The class that could eat a 2k hit from a boss and only take 3% of their hp damage... or the class that did double or more DPS compared to any other build/class... that class did not see nerfs coming?

Well get some new glasses son...

Funny thing is DK`s are still No. 1 even with the nerfs... if you can`t do it with a DK there is no point in a class change, no other class can do it better.

ShedsHisTail

Does "unplayable" mean something different than I've been led to believe?
I see it getting used a lot around here, but I've played all the classes, and they're all plenty playable.

bg22

DK isn't broken.

Your skills as a player are.

Kingslayer

The class is fine honestly.

Loco_Mofo

Kingslayer wrote: »

The class is fine honestly.

Better than fine, it's still the king.

Kingslayer

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Kingslayer wrote: »

The class is fine honestly.

Better than fine, it's still the king.

Indeed, For me this is how i see the base classes Dks are tanks/sustained dps Sorcs are traditional casters, Nbs should be number 1 single target burst class but not so much sustained. And templars are top heals but should be ok dps to its just their dps sucks to so i am told.

AinGeal

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

I think all the LOL downvoters here are forgetting without LA + staff the DK class line is actually weak especially at melee, it's that niche cookie cutter armor/weapon use that makes the DK seem more overpowered than it is. And it's not only DK that benefit hugely from the LA + staff combo, both NB and sorc have the capability to solo most of Craglorn using similar sets of builds.

I don't see how making one class line weaker is going to fix the imbalances as they are still going to exist with other classes, light armor and staff skills/passives are the real issues with this game at the moment. Why even bother equipping anything else?

Define "staff". Destro or resto?

ShedsHisTail

AinGeal wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

I think all the LOL downvoters here are forgetting without LA + staff the DK class line is actually weak especially at melee, it's that niche cookie cutter armor/weapon use that makes the DK seem more overpowered than it is. And it's not only DK that benefit hugely from the LA + staff combo, both NB and sorc have the capability to solo most of Craglorn using similar sets of builds.

I don't see how making one class line weaker is going to fix the imbalances as they are still going to exist with other classes, light armor and staff skills/passives are the real issues with this game at the moment. Why even bother equipping anything else?

Define "staff". Destro or resto?

It doesn't matter. In the right hands, either one is way too powerful.

Kingslayer

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

AinGeal wrote: »

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

I think all the LOL downvoters here are forgetting without LA + staff the DK class line is actually weak especially at melee, it's that niche cookie cutter armor/weapon use that makes the DK seem more overpowered than it is. And it's not only DK that benefit hugely from the LA + staff combo, both NB and sorc have the capability to solo most of Craglorn using similar sets of builds.

I don't see how making one class line weaker is going to fix the imbalances as they are still going to exist with other classes, light armor and staff skills/passives are the real issues with this game at the moment. Why even bother equipping anything else?

Define "staff". Destro or resto?

It doesn't matter. In the right hands, either one is way too powerful.

Resto is the 10% dps boost if i am not mistaken?. What on the dstaff passivies wise?. I would think its also a combination of racials/light and maybe the odd dstaff passive wouldn't you?. I am a sorc and i have three weapons levelled bow/reso/dstaff and i must admit having reso equipped with different high dmg class abilities works a treat.

Jimm_ay

I thought destro was better because you can spam the attacks with block up and moving?? Plus a dark elf gets 7% boost on spell damage with fire effects right?

Jimm_ay

doh! nvm I confused weapon dmg with spell dmg -

Cogo

DKs are just fine. I am glad they keep balancing.

TwoClips

bg22 wrote: »

DK isn't broken.

Your skills as a player are.

Yah right...
Go join the elitist club moron.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

TwoClips wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

DK isn't broken.

Your skills as a player are.

Yah right...
Go join the elitist club moron.

Just ignore the troll posters who want to see a broken class

Liquid_Time

This one time at band camp..

Anyways.. I still see them 1v5ing often. Guess that is suppose to be normal in OPs eyes?

bg22

TwoClips wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

DK isn't broken.

Your skills as a player are.

Yah right...
Go join the elitist club moron.

@TwoClips‌
Weird, I rolled a DK on the PTS, played it for literally 5 minutes with a "single target skill setup" and still managed to take down groups of VR 11 mobs in Craglorn...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/960500#Comment_960500

Ragnar_Lodbrok

bg22 wrote: »

TwoClips wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

DK isn't broken.

Your skills as a player are.

Yah right...
Go join the elitist club moron.

@TwoClips‌
Weird, I rolled a DK on the PTS, played it for literally 5 minutes with a "single target skill setup" and still managed to take down groups of VR 11 mobs in Craglorn...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/960500#Comment_960500

Let me guess, in a dress with a stick?