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PoveusRonin · April 22

JeroenB wrote: »

TheSherryOnTop wrote: »

[...] but I'm happy that at least the seals can be achieved by doing stuff solo.

Are you sure about that? As I understand it only seven pursuits are completeable solo, not eight. Am I missing something?

Technically I think you can solo the Undaunted pledges which would bring you over the 8 needed.

If you want to do it easy, go to Gold Coast and join a group for the arena boss. It doesn't take too long and knocks out the boss and kill mobs while grouped. On PC US servers, there was people forming groups, you only have to type X to get an invite.

shadyjane62 · April 22

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

I can't even tell you what content is anymore at least as far as this new season stuff is here. Just a lot of fetch quests which I'll do and a lot of other stuff I won't.

If I were to buy a season exactly what would that be? What content, I know there won't be any other zone chapters but what will I be doing in A NEW SEASON?

metheglyn · April 23

shadyjane62 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

I can't even tell you what content is anymore at least as far as this new season stuff is here. Just a lot of fetch quests which I'll do and a lot of other stuff I won't.

If I were to buy a season exactly what would that be? What content, I know there won't be any other zone chapters but what will I be doing in A NEW SEASON?

The only thing to buy in a season is the Tamriel Tome upgrades, and if you bought those, you'd be buying cosmetics. The actual content--like quests and zones--will be free going forward. So if chasing tome rewards isn't to your liking, no need to purchase the tome upgrade or bother with the tomes at all.

As far as this season's content, it'll be Night Market in a week. I'm not sure when the Thieves Guild and Sheogorath quest lines come out, but I believe they'll be in this season, too.

shadyjane62 · April 23

metheglyn wrote: »

shadyjane62 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

I can't even tell you what content is anymore at least as far as this new season stuff is here. Just a lot of fetch quests which I'll do and a lot of other stuff I won't.

If I were to buy a season exactly what would that be? What content, I know there won't be any other zone chapters but what will I be doing in A NEW SEASON?

The only thing to buy in a season is the Tamriel Tome upgrades, and if you bought those, you'd be buying cosmetics. The actual content--like quests and zones--will be free going forward. So if chasing tome rewards isn't to your liking, no need to purchase the tome upgrade or bother with the tomes at all.

As far as this season's content, it'll be Night Market in a week. I'm not sure when the Thieves Guild and Sheogorath quest lines come out, but I believe they'll be in this season, too.

Thank you very much for your reply. I have been scratching the hair off my head trying to figure out all the new stuff. I don't want any of the cosmetic stuff.

Still not sure what the Night Market is but I guess I will find out next week.

Thank you again Metheglyn, see you next Christmas!

tomofhyrule · April 23

metheglyn wrote: »

I'm not sure when the Thieves Guild and Sheogorath quest lines come out, but I believe they'll be in this season, too.

Next season.

U50 will drop in June with Class Mastery, but the TG line won’t pop until Season One in July. I think there’s also a delay for the Sheo line until August. U51 with Warden’s rework an likely the High Seas event should round that out in September before Season Two around October.

metheglyn · April 23

tomofhyrule wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

I'm not sure when the Thieves Guild and Sheogorath quest lines come out, but I believe they'll be in this season, too.

Next season.

U50 will drop in June with Class Mastery, but the TG line won’t pop until Season One in July. I think there’s also a delay for the Sheo line until August. U51 with Warden’s rework an likely the High Seas event should round that out in September before Season Two around October.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the information!

majulook · April 23

Night Market is mostly group content, not solo content. If I remember correctly it was stated that the 2nd tier and higher bosses was going to get more and more difficult.

BretonMage · April 23

majulook wrote: »

Night Market is mostly group content, not solo content. If I remember correctly it was stated that the 2nd tier and higher bosses was going to get more and more difficult.

Do we need to be formally grouped? Can't we just show up like we do for dragons?

tomofhyrule · April 23

BretonMage wrote: »

majulook wrote: »

Night Market is mostly group content, not solo content. If I remember correctly it was stated that the 2nd tier and higher bosses was going to get more and more difficult.

Do we need to be formally grouped? Can't we just show up like we do for dragons?

You can pretty well zerg surf for most of the Night Market.

There are a few instanced boss fights, but most of the Market is zerging.

kip_silverwolf · April 23

For anyone unsure about grouping, (or even those who have yet to try dungeons) feel free to friend me and if I'm online, I'll gladly group with you for some quick FG & other basic dungeon runs to get those Golden Endeavours done. I'm happy to go at your pace and do the quests if needed. I'm also happy to talk or not talk, whatever you're comfortable with

Or if you prefer, we can group then go off and do our own thing

Renato90085 · April 23

you can ask someone who want log out or swap toon and group them,when you at a group,the teammate offline still can finish group daily too,you really dont need other player do real content.

Tra_Lalan · April 23

I was a solo player too. But this game "forced me" to group couple of years ago.

This got me to meeting new friends, and having the best gaming expieriences of my life.

so.. how about trying it out?

Just join a more social oriented guild, ask for company or join when someone asks for it.

Its an opportunity for good fun and new expieriences.

CalamityCat · April 23

I've seen groups in the group finder that were literally set up so players who didn't want a formal group could join, do their activities and quit without engaging.

The last time there were quite a few group activities in a GP, I had a guild mate ask if it was ok to group while they did their group stuff, so we both did what we needed and disbanded the group. Zero hassle, no drama. I think it's possible for anyone to find others like them in ESO and do something similar. Most guilds probably have players who just want a reliable silent group to complete any content that really needs multiple players.

There's also another option - if you get a random dungeon group and they don't give you trouble, you can ask if they want to do the undaunted pledges together. Get several done whenever the group is okay and you'll have the pursuit done in very little time. It saves time queuing, so you could get lucky this week while others are doing the pursuit.

maxjam · April 23

I've recently returned to ESO and am slowly getting back up to speed. TBH I enjoy playing MMOs cos I enjoy seeing other people running around - I generally like playing on my own.

That said, I've done 13 of the Golden Pursuits without talking to anyone. About half of those I've done solo, a few more by simply typing +dolmen in Alik'r and joining the train, the rest typing +boss in Bangkorai and killing the world bosses at Telesubi Ruins. Did everything in well under an hour.

Sure, if I want the pet I'd actually have to join a group to do dungeons or whatever but imo its a bit naff so I'll probably leave it there.

Just a quick FYI that you can get most of the challenge done without speaking to anyone at pretty much your own pace.

ADarklore · April 23

imPDA wrote: »

Sorry if you find it rude, but why you picked MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then? I would say, it is rare case you can do something solo in MMO, in pretty much all games you will one way or another play with or against others. ZOS needs to create a new game and separate solo questing to The Elder Scrolls Offline. It would resolve another problem - it would mean you are going to have PvE IC and Cyrodiil

Funny, considering that even the devs stated the launch version of ESO absolutely FAILED as a traditional MMO because they discovered that the majority wanted 'Skyrim with friends'. And if you haven't noticed, almost all traditional MMOs have started changing their game to accommodate solo players. In fact, the majority of players in ESO are solo players; there was a poll awhile back on the forums and people were shocked that the overwhelming majority either played completely solo or mostly solo- which is something I've been saying for years.

So no, MMO no longer means 'group', it now means a massive amount of players playing the same online game at the same time.

twisttop138 · April 23

tomofhyrule wrote: »

I knew this thread was coming.

Look, when I started this game, I came from the previous Elder Scrolls games. I even waited a long time since the original concept - Elder Scrolls MMO - just sounded horrible. I did. not. want. Other People in my game. Ew.

I finally started playing in 2019 since we still had no TES mainline game after Skyrim in 2011. And only because I could do the main questlines alone.

But then I saw some of the rewards that needed groups. And my desire to get them started to outweigh how much I didn’t want to play with others.

So I joined a social guild. I stuck with UESP since I was already in the site every day, so it would be a good place to start. And then something magical happened: I started to not hate it. I got more comfortable. People were actually nice. I got invited to things. I learned more about playing. I got better. And I started to love the game more.

There are so many social guilds out there. Every social guild is going to set up WB runs or pledge runs this week because all of them want to get these Pursuits done too. All you need to do is break out of your shell.

I know “just find friends lmao” is an unsatisfying answer, but it literally is the truth. The number one thing preventing most people from finding groups or guilds is… themselves. But it is not a betrayal for an MMO - which survives on having an active population - to act like an MMO. Having people join guilds is something they’ve been actively pushing since the addition of Guild Herald Amsaad in Markarth back in 2020, and there’s a reason: if people are used to playing with friends, then they have more reasons to keep logging back in, even if another game takes their attention for a time.

I said in a different thread on this same topic, cause of course there's multiple and will keep coming (wait for night market), that we are setting this up in guild this week. We are doing WBs tonight and probably a couple days of dungeons. Having a guild is one of the fantastic things about MMOs. It's part of what is missing from fallout 76.

It's funny. I typed this yesterday and forgot to post it because I got busy. Sitting here before work this morning I discovered it. After my crafting writs and some dailies, I had gotten both of the (bad imo) face markings. There were some solo players in guild when I got on, typing in chat that they didn't know what to do, had never done dungeons before. So I grabbed them and got on my tank and took them through the pledges. Bedlam viel, the dlc pledge, was short work for them and we even got them the puzzle achievement. It's funny. They were so unfamiliar, they didn't know how to travel to me in the first dungeon and I had to get them in voice chat to explain how to change their role so we could que up for bedlam. Then we finished out most of the pursuit in a WB daily quest group. I would recommend looking to your guilds for help. We're here to help you.

frogthroat · April 23

How about?

Short term: open a new Group Finder post. Something like
"Group for completing group related golden pursuits. Join, do your own thing and then leave. No talking required."

Long term: found a new guild that has a sole purpose of finding people to group with when grouping is necessary, but with no aim to actually play together. People who don't want to play with other will most definitely have an empty guild slot.

twisttop138 · April 23

shadyjane62 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

I can't even tell you what content is anymore at least as far as this new season stuff is here. Just a lot of fetch quests which I'll do and a lot of other stuff I won't.

If I were to buy a season exactly what would that be? What content, I know there won't be any other zone chapters but what will I be doing in A NEW SEASON?

I got in an argument last night in our wb group, with a guild member who's position was that the game had changed and there was no content except grinding the battle pass. While I don't particularly enjoy the battle pass and argued very much against its inclusion in this game, there is something to keep in mind. In a normal chapter year, we're in April. We would be diligently waiting right now, for June. For the chapter. There would be nothing going on.

As to your question, what will you be doing in a new season. Well, we know what that is, overall. This season we will be doing the night market. I cannot stand temporary content, and they promised last year they wouldn't be doing that, right before the once and done wall event, but I digress. That will end right at season 1. Why they are not releasing the seasonal content at the start of the season is a mystery, but in season 1 we have dynamic events, thieves guild, Sheogorath, favors and I'm not sure what else. I think also the new trial should release at some point. We also know this year will be sages vault, some event on the seas, rumors, and the new dynamic whatevers in Skyrim to lead us into the next zone release. Look I'm a chapter guy. But I'm trying to look at this like all the stuff that would be in a chapter but released over the year to keep busy. Is it better? I know I keep saying this, but we will have to see, engage with the content and find out.

spartaxoxo · April 23

You cannot expect every reward if you don't do every activity. If you were blocked out of the seals, I'd get it. But small cosmetics rewards for different activities shouldn't be contentious.

No single type of player should get all the rewards for themselves.

spartaxoxo · April 23

DenverRalphy wrote: »

robertlabrie wrote: »

A 6 day pursuit and 6 days to complete 6 tomes? I'M DROWNING IN FOMO HERE!

What tome challenges need to be completed within the next 6 days?

None.

twisttop138 · April 23

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You cannot expect every reward if you don't do every activity. If you were blocked out of the seals, I'd get it. But small cosmetics rewards for different activities shouldn't be contentious.

No single type of player should get all the rewards for themselves.

I also see most pursuits as very accessible. This one just happens to be for folks that group and the rewards are very forgettable.

spartaxoxo · April 23

twisttop138 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You cannot expect every reward if you don't do every activity. If you were blocked out of the seals, I'd get it. But small cosmetics rewards for different activities shouldn't be contentious.

No single type of player should get all the rewards for themselves.

I also see most pursuits as very accessible. This one just happens to be for folks that group and the rewards are very forgettable.

There's a lot of them that are themed around whatever big event is going on. This one is not different except the rewards are actually kinda meh imo.

Thalmar · April 23

You can not please everyone in an mmo. Definition of an MMO is diffrent for many. I like to see people around, sometimes little chat with them or help somoene if in trouble. But, noone can force me to group with players and even like they do and put a reward behind it.

There is nothing for me in the current golden pursuit or in the upcoming night market group content. I will enjoy a couple days what remains from vangeance and then I will take a long break till update 50 and see if anything will change on developers parenting ideas. I am not convinced or maybe I will regret but current season rewards and this challange mentality is insane to me. Kill 1000 critters? Come on developers get creative please.

The more group content puts and we force (encourage) to participate, the less content remains for solo players, for me. It is nearly an insult puting crafting and questing into golden pursuit and put the endovour reward behind "ONE" group content. I need one developer make a statement about what was the aim behind these crafting and questing part in the golden pursuit?

You should aswell make a GP just for group content. I really hope coming seasons will be about solo play styles. For me discriminating solo players, just because they have bad experiences about grouping, from getting better gear is just so early MMO mentality and which encourage elitist seperation.

Anyways, maybe i am just one person, but I play games if they entertain me. I am not paying to be humiliated, insulted or being called names with the bad apples in the basket. And the current state and the focus of the developers are not for me, have fun and see you on update 50...

Syldras · April 23

Sure, they can make a chore campaign (doesn't matter what fancy name it has) about one single playstyle - one PvP only, one dungeon only, one ToT only, one solo dungeon only as soon as those are released, etc. What I see is that it always leads to people being unhappy about it - every single time such a thing starts, there's half a dozen of threads filled with complaints about it.

If they wanted, they could create these things with a big variety of tasks every single time so there's always something for everyone.

Or they could make them themed, but give out currency only, for cosmetic rewards that can be bought at any time, so people would feel less of a "need" to participate in specific ones, if they enjoy them or not, because that specific one has a specific cosmetic they want.

They could. Technically, it makes no difference what chores are listed. Or if a chore gives currency or an item when completed. It could all easily be adjusted to everyone gets what they want by the playstyle they personally prefer. No complaints on the forums anymore, everyone happy. It could be like this, easily.

That it isn't this way is a design choice. Don't like that? Draw your consequences.

frogthroat · April 23

Syldras wrote: »

If they wanted, they could create these things with a big variety of tasks every single time so there's always something for everyone.

"These pursuits are all over the place. I hate it when I have to harvest resources, then do a trial, then play ToT, then place furnishings. Just pick a theme already."

twisttop138 · April 23

spartaxoxo wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You cannot expect every reward if you don't do every activity. If you were blocked out of the seals, I'd get it. But small cosmetics rewards for different activities shouldn't be contentious.

No single type of player should get all the rewards for themselves.

I also see most pursuits as very accessible. This one just happens to be for folks that group and the rewards are very forgettable.

There's a lot of them that are themed around whatever big event is going on. This one is not different except the rewards are actually kinda meh imo.

Agreed. I did have to mediate some arguments in PSN among guild mates last night, this is a contentious topic. But we were able to get the entire pursuit finished for many casual or newer players so I still see this as pretty accessible.

Syldras · April 23

frogthroat wrote: »

"These pursuits are all over the place. I hate it when I have to harvest resources, then do a trial, then play ToT, then place furnishings. Just pick a theme already."

It's true that some people seem to love to complain, but I don't think that's realistic. People usually complain about these chore lists requiring tasks they don't enjoy doing to get all rewards. I can't see people complaining about being able to get all clutter for only doing things they like.

Gabriel_H · April 23

barney2525 wrote: »

So.... for people who just want to enjoy the game, playing solo, and avoid the drama that sometimes happens in Groups, we are Not allowed to achieve All 16 Golden pursuits required to obtain the pet. In fact Only 9 can be accomplished on your own. You MUST Group multiple times or you can not attain the rewards.

The Only reason I play these games is for the Enjoyment.

This is not Fun.

The GP is in preperation for the Night Market - a group orientated zone.

PS. Being grouped and working as a group are not the same thing. i.e. Group with someone. One runs nEH1 solo the other runs nFG1 solo.

peacenote · April 23

Gabriel_H wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

So.... for people who just want to enjoy the game, playing solo, and avoid the drama that sometimes happens in Groups, we are Not allowed to achieve All 16 Golden pursuits required to obtain the pet. In fact Only 9 can be accomplished on your own. You MUST Group multiple times or you can not attain the rewards.

The Only reason I play these games is for the Enjoyment.

This is not Fun.

The GP is in preperation for the Night Market - a group orientated zone.

I think this is a good point. It is the same as the PvP ones that existed to encourage Vengeance participation.

Joining a group temporarily if you want the rewards is actually a much smaller and quicker ask than doing PvP, from the perspective of expanding to types of activities one doesn't normally do.

That said, I've always thought ZOS should add dynamic grouping and group merging. It makes joining groups for things like world bosses feel way more casual. I personally experienced that feature in Rift and it was great.

I will also just add to the OP that there also players out there, like me!, who joined ESO because it was an MMO. I'm here for the combat and playing with friends. So this is just your reminder that if you like ESO, what's best for the game is that there is content for all playstyles, not just yours, so the game can be profitable and exist for all of us as long as possible.

You can expand out of your comfort zone, or skip the content, but begrudging others that there's something for their playstyle too isn't the nicest. I spend very little time in arenas because I don't like to spend my game time playing solo, so I don't have the skin or title from Vateshran Hollows, but I don't mind that they are in the game for people like you who prefer solo content.

mdjessup4906 · April 24

Who's getting drama in a world boss group? You gotta to be trying to start something lol.