Forced group

barney2525 · April 22

So.... for people who just want to enjoy the game, playing solo, and avoid the drama that sometimes happens in Groups, we are Not allowed to achieve All 16 Golden pursuits required to obtain the pet. In fact Only 9 can be accomplished on your own. You MUST Group multiple times or you can not attain the rewards.

The Only reason I play these games is for the Enjoyment.

This is not Fun.

AScarlato · April 22

Does the Companion work like it did in other Golden Pursuits, or does it have to be an actual person?

BretonMage · April 22

I guess you could group up temporarily for a boss and then disband immediately after. What does this mean for the Night Market, though, as these GP are supposed to be preparation for the Night Market? Is there forced grouping there?

As for the GP, I'll just aim for the Seals (8 activities needed), I think half of the GPs can be done solo.

AzuraFan · April 22

BretonMage wrote: »

As for the GP, I'll just aim for the Seals (8 activities needed), I think half of the GPs can be done solo.

Same, and I might not even do that because 500 seals isn't much.

With the weekly and seasonal challenges, I just don't have the time to do a golden pursuit. This will be the first one I won't get the capstone for, but I'm okay with that.

Athory · April 22

barney2525 wrote: »

So.... for people who just want to enjoy the game, playing solo, and avoid the drama that sometimes happens in Groups, we are Not allowed to achieve All 16 Golden pursuits required to obtain the pet. In fact Only 9 can be accomplished on your own. You MUST Group multiple times or you can not attain the rewards.

The Only reason I play these games is for the Enjoyment.

This is not Fun.

What about those players who don’t care about Golden Pursuits, or have already completed them, and just want to do quests in the dungeons? Oh boy… those players are so screwed.

SilverBride · April 22

So now we have a new Golden Pursuit along will all these Tome challenges?

This is just too much. Way too much.

imPDA · April 22

Sorry if you find it rude, but why you picked MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then? I would say, it is rare case you can do something solo in MMO, in pretty much all games you will one way or another play with or against others. ZOS needs to create a new game and separate solo questing to The Elder Scrolls Offline. It would resolve another problem - it would mean you are going to have PvE IC and Cyrodiil

robertlabrie · April 22

A 6 day pursuit and 6 days to complete 6 tomes? I'M DROWNING IN FOMO HERE!

SilverBride · April 22

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

Soarora · April 22

I have never seen drama happen from world boss quest shares from zone chat. For the defeat enemies, can join a dark anchor farm group, say nothing, and leave when you’re done. You can solo pledges.

Athory · April 22

Soarora wrote: »

I have never seen drama happen from world boss quest shares from zone chat. For the defeat enemies, can join a dark anchor farm group, say nothing, and leave when you’re done. You can solo pledges.

Unless… he can’t solo. What about that?

Tandor · April 22

SilverBride wrote: »

I don't even recognize this game any more. This is not content.

Agreed.

I've cut my subs from 3 to 2, and am barely logging in these days. That's partly down to the enjoyment I'm having with a couple of other games, but that in turn is relative and relates in part to the fact that there seems little incentive to log into ESO with the changes they've made to it.

Soarora · April 22

Athory wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

I have never seen drama happen from world boss quest shares from zone chat. For the defeat enemies, can join a dark anchor farm group, say nothing, and leave when you’re done. You can solo pledges.

Unless… he can’t solo. What about that?

The pledges? I wouldn’t expect people to casually be able to solo the dlc pledges but nondlc on normal should be feasible. Worth trying, anyway.

twisttop138 · April 22

It's not super fun for everyone dude. I love grouping. I have multiple raid teams and dungeon groups. This still doesn't look fun, especially for the rewards. They kinda missed on the fomo this round.

CameraBeardThePirate · April 22

imPDA wrote: »

Sorry if you find it rude, but why you picked MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then? I would say, it is rare case you can do something solo in MMO, in pretty much all games you will one way or another play with or against others. ZOS needs to create a new game and separate solo questing to The Elder Scrolls Offline. It would resolve another problem - it would mean you are going to have PvE IC and Cyrodiil

Not even that, but the Golden Pursuit is entirely optional. The reward is a cosmetic. It doesn't bar you from completing anything, doesn't award you with gear or anything that actually changes or affects your gameplay, and doesn't really even require interacting with people considering you can just x up for a Dolmen Farm or WB farm. Not even the pledges require you to interact with other people; join the group finder, turn off your chat, and walk through the normal pledge.

JemadarofCaerSalis · April 22

imPDA wrote: »

Sorry if you find it rude, but why you picked MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE game then? I would say, it is rare case you can do something solo in MMO, in pretty much all games you will one way or another play with or against others. ZOS needs to create a new game and separate solo questing to The Elder Scrolls Offline. It would resolve another problem - it would mean you are going to have PvE IC and Cyrodiil

Because some people want to play with friends? Not necessarily in a group but be able to chat in game while both enjoying the game they both love?

Some people want to have a world that seems to be alive, with other people going about their business.

Some people want a live service game that gets regular updates. While offline games do get updates, they are often sporadic and often break more than they help. Plus, many offline games are 'we released this game, enjoy' and the developers move on to something else.

Some people want to help others occasionally and obtain help occasionally without needing to be grouped.

TL;DR: Massively Multiplayer Online does not mean 'Mandatory groups, Must always be in a group, while Online'.

It just means there are multiple players playing at the same time and can interact with each other. Grouping optional.

DenverRalphy · April 22

robertlabrie wrote: »

A 6 day pursuit and 6 days to complete 6 tomes? I'M DROWNING IN FOMO HERE!

What tome challenges need to be completed within the next 6 days?

tomofhyrule · April 22

I knew this thread was coming.

Look, when I started this game, I came from the previous Elder Scrolls games. I even waited a long time since the original concept - Elder Scrolls MMO - just sounded horrible. I did. not. want. Other People in my game. Ew.

I finally started playing in 2019 since we still had no TES mainline game after Skyrim in 2011. And only because I could do the main questlines alone.

But then I saw some of the rewards that needed groups. And my desire to get them started to outweigh how much I didn’t want to play with others.

So I joined a social guild. I stuck with UESP since I was already in the site every day, so it would be a good place to start. And then something magical happened: I started to not hate it. I got more comfortable. People were actually nice. I got invited to things. I learned more about playing. I got better. And I started to love the game more.

There are so many social guilds out there. Every social guild is going to set up WB runs or pledge runs this week because all of them want to get these Pursuits done too. All you need to do is break out of your shell.

I know “just find friends lmao” is an unsatisfying answer, but it literally is the truth. The number one thing preventing most people from finding groups or guilds is… themselves. But it is not a betrayal for an MMO - which survives on having an active population - to act like an MMO. Having people join guilds is something they’ve been actively pushing since the addition of Guild Herald Amsaad in Markarth back in 2020, and there’s a reason: if people are used to playing with friends, then they have more reasons to keep logging back in, even if another game takes their attention for a time.

TheSherryOnTop · April 22

AScarlato wrote: »

Does the Companion work like it did in other Golden Pursuits, or does it have to be an actual person?

No companion doesn't work. It also states that you have to be grouped up with another player, so that's that.

Easiest way to get this done fast seems to be pledges (gives you pledges, kill x mobs within a group and complete a dungeon in a group all at once).

imPDA · April 22

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

TL;DR: Massively Multiplayer Online does not mean 'Mandatory groups, Must always be in a group, while Online'.

It just means there are multiple players playing at the same time and can interact with each other. Grouping optional.

How excuse me you even finish dungeons or trials? Or you don't at all? Then you can treat these occasional events not mandatory and move forward. You can try Genshin Impact, it perfectly matches all criteria, and while grouping is not needed, you still have this opportunity.

Ye, MMO does not mean you must be in group all the time, and you are not, but for some content group is required. You started this topic because of one event, while 95% of all other content is solo-friendly. So, I can't just understand how people intolerant to things like this and creating forum threads for like this menisques topics. It doesn't require anything super special, just find the <snipped> group, or play with friends as you said, or just skip it.

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DenverRalphy · April 22

If you don't want to participate in a mini event targeted at group actvities.. then don't. Nobody's being forced. It's completely optional.

Some of us enjoy participating in content as a group.

AScarlato · April 22

TheSherryOnTop wrote: »

AScarlato wrote: »

Does the Companion work like it did in other Golden Pursuits, or does it have to be an actual person?

No companion doesn't work. It also states that you have to be grouped up with another player, so that's that.

Easiest way to get this done fast seems to be pledges (gives you pledges, kill x mobs within a group and complete a dungeon in a group all at once).

Thanks for the heads up.

This is fine with me. I already have some Tomes to do dungeons and I'm fine running stuff with other people. I'll just know to rearrange my activities for this week to get that done.

TheSherryOnTop · April 22

AScarlato wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up.

This is fine with me. I already have some Tomes to do dungeons and I'm fine running stuff with other people. I'll just know to rearrange my activities for this week to get that done.

You're welcome!
I too had complete three dungeons for my weekly Tomes but I finished them all yesterday because I have to go on a trip this week-end. Would have been nice to do them today and complete the respective Golden Pursuit missions as well. Not sure if I'll do the group activities once I'm back (since I only have two days left to do them all lol), but I'm happy that at least the seals can be achieved by doing stuff solo.

JeroenB · April 22

TheSherryOnTop wrote: »

[...] but I'm happy that at least the seals can be achieved by doing stuff solo.

Are you sure about that? As I understand it only seven pursuits are completeable solo, not eight. Am I missing something?

JemadarofCaerSalis · April 22

imPDA wrote: »

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

TL;DR: Massively Multiplayer Online does not mean 'Mandatory groups, Must always be in a group, while Online'.

It just means there are multiple players playing at the same time and can interact with each other. Grouping optional.

How excuse me you even finish dungeons or trials? Or you don't at all? Then you can treat these occasional events not mandatory and move forward. You can try Genshin Impact, it perfectly matches all criteria, and while grouping is not needed, you still have this opportunity.

Ye, MMO does not mean you must be in group all the time, and you are not, but for some content group is required. You started this topic because of one event, while 95% of all other content is solo-friendly. So, I can't just understand how people intolerant to things like this and creating forum threads for like this menisques topics. It doesn't require anything super special, just find the *** group, or play with friends as you said, or just skip it.

I am not the one who started this topic.

I also don't do dungeons or trials, and I do group on occasion.

I just prefer it to be when I feel like it, and not because of FOMO, within a pretty short amount of time (one week to finish it).

I don't mind group content, I have done dungeons with others, but, I want to be able to when to decide to do it, instead of potentially having to do it at times when I just don't want to, IE, I prefer optional group content in content that is sticking around, not temporary content (like the night market seems it will be) or for a golden pursuit.

AzuraFan · April 22

tomofhyrule wrote: »

There are so many social guilds out there. Every social guild is going to set up WB runs or pledge runs this week because all of them want to get these Pursuits done too. All you need to do is break out of your shell.

I don't have a problem at all with grouping. I use the dungeon finder all the time and two of the guilds I belong to regularly run WB events. I simply don't have the time to do the golden pursuit on top of the tome challenges. So which one to do? Well, with the tomes, I can choose what to buy. With the golden pursuit, the only thing that interests me is the seals, but there's only 500, so I can skip it.

The GP is optional. The challenges are optional. But some people will feel they're missing out if they don't do them. I might have too, if the GP had a reward I really wanted.

I'm not complaining because skipping the current GP doesn't bother me, but I think that the tomes should have made golden pursuits obsolete. We only need one, because they're both essentially the same thing - grinding out tasks for shinies or currencies. Sure, the GP can be event-specific, but there's nothing different about it. It just makes some players feel pressured, and not everyone has the time to do both challenges and pursuits.

IOW, I'm not bothered this time around, but I understand why some players are.

Katheriah · April 22

Forced group

Literally nobody is forcing you to do anything.

o_Primate_o · April 22

it isn't like you have to talk with anyone - you're just in a group temporarily to accomplish a task.
six are too easy:

Overland Bosses: ppl farm solstice dailes and will share in zone chat (xbox na) all the time so world bosses should go quickly - that's three of them with extra rewards for turning in quests.
Overland Trash: at the same time you will be killing foes so you'll be working those three at the same time. join Alik'r dolmen group (you don't even have to do anything - just go to active dolmen and read an eidetic library book until next dolmen).
Dungeons: queue as a H in normal dungeon for faster queues and just spam radiating regen and combat prayer (if you get a DLC you might have to work a little harder).

@barney2525 i'm not trying to discount your displeasure with grouping, just trying to make it more tolerable for ya.

Melivar · April 22

This is a large game with many types of players and content. The sooner you let the FOMO go the better your sanity will be.

My game time is likely 80-90% solo and 10-20% grouped but if I want something it's not very hard to find folks to help you get what you want. There will always be some expectations which in my case is hard mode trial rewards, so I just don't look at them past my initial review of a patch.

I am currently enjoying the tome system as I can grind things out as I have time and am ok missing the 15 points or whatever it is for logging in every day on occasion. With some vacations coming up with limited access to be able to play for the first time in years I am not worried I will miss out on something.

Don't fear the grouping you never know could make a friend and if not get your things done and go back to your regularly scheduled entertainment type.

Katheriah · April 22

o_Primate_o wrote: »

Dungeons: queue as a H in normal dungeon for faster queues and just spam radiating regen and combat prayer (if you get a DLC you might have to work a little harder).

They could even preselect nGF1 instead of random normal. The dungeon will most likely be done in a couple of minutes.

Carcamongus · April 22

ESO is a lone-wolf-friendly MMO, so it's hardly surprising an event with rewards in which you need to group with others is going to make some people unhappy. The argument that no one is forcing anyone to do anything is a bit off the mark, as you're indeed forced to group if you want the rewards. It's perfectly valid to dislike having no choice but to partake in a type of activity one doesn't enjoy if one wants the goodies.

My biggest issue with this GP is its short duration. Yes, some of the pursuits complement the tome challenges, but a player shouldn't have to rush to get the former done, especially if forced to group with others, just because the event will be over in less than a week.