Does anyone else get an issue with skills not firing?

Mathius_Mordred · November 28

Running a parse for the 100th time and I'm lucky if I can get 1 parse in 10 where all skills fire off every time I hit the button. Engulfing flame is the worst, I swap bars, hit EF and my character just stands there like a lemon. Also, skills sometimes refuse to queue; other times, they queue fine. I get this with both my gaming PCs, and I'm on a very fast fibre internet. It never used to be this bad. Sometimes, I have to press the skill 4 times before it actually does anything. I watch youtubers with very similar builds and perfect rotations, nothing ever misses. I have light attacks failing to fire, skills not firing or queuing, it's really becoming a joke now, I'm losing 10-20K because of this. Is it just me?

MorallyBipolar · November 28

Does anyone NOT have issues with skills not firing and bar swap not working properly?

Gabriel_H · November 28

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Does anyone NOT have issues with skills not firing and bar swap not working properly?

Me, for 10 minutes earlier. True story.

Sluggy · November 28

Gabriel_H wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Does anyone NOT have issues with skills not firing and bar swap not working properly?

Me, for 10 minutes earlier. True story.

People on the internet will say anything.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · November 28

I’ve been having lag issues with everything for the last week or so.

Last'One · November 28

Heavy Attack says hi.

C_Inside · November 28

Yeah this is mostly caused by the new and improved garbage and broken animations they introduced last patch. It's particularly bad on Necro. Not only will Detonating Syphon not fire randomly because it's buggy by itself but now you also get the double RNG with the new animations sometimes also causing it to not fire.

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

Last'One · November 28

C_Inside wrote: »

"....

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

oO We actually have another builds?!

Mathius_Mordred · November 29

C_Inside wrote: »

Yeah this is mostly caused by the new and improved garbage and broken animations they introduced last patch. It's particularly bad on Necro. Not only will Detonating Syphon not fire randomly because it's buggy by itself but now you also get the double RNG with the new animations sometimes also causing it to not fire.

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

Definitely got worse since they changed the animations.

cyclonus11 · November 29

Yes. I did have some problems with it before, but since update 47, it got ridiculous - particularly noticeable casting Dark Deal. I have to mash the key a bunch of times before it works sometimes, which the game seems to love making me do when I'm out of stam. Removing Minor Force from this skill makes it extra bad.

Soarora · November 29

C_Inside wrote: »

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

It actually doesn't. People complain that sometimes their beam doesn't fire and that scholarship isn't generating their extra crux when they flail with 0 crux. I don't know what's up with the second one but in my experience, the beam actually is happening but the visuals don't work at all. I can see the damage on the enemy, my weaving addon shows me that I'm currently casting a channel, and my ability bar also shows that I'm currently casting a channel. The damage isn't a solid way to see what's happening since... well... other things also make damage numbers show up. So, without my addons, I'd probably have no idea that my beam is even happening because my character looks like they're doing nothing. This started happening before the animation update.

I suspect that the same thing could be the cause of some skills not firing... where either they do and it's completely impossible to tell because it's not a channel or beam still does damage because it's a channel and otherwise wouldn't do anything.

ShutUpitsRed · November 29

Yeah, it's been tedious to say the least. I went and played something else (gasp!) for a while just to make sure it wasn't my PC or something lol.

Mathius_Mordred · November 29

Just done another hour of parsing. I was paying particular attention to what didn't work. I hit my potion button, I hear the sound effect but the potion wasn't used, I had to hit it again. Sometimes I hit engulfing flame and the counter starts to count in small numbers, not the usual large text (Fancy Action Bar), I thought I saw the flames, then when I swap to the front bar the engulfing flame no longer has any counter as if it's never been hit. Problems also with barbed trap, deadly cloak, standard of might not queuing or even sometimes not firing. I also noticed lag when riding through Hollow city to see the luxury furnisher (what a dull collection this week).

I think I'm done trying to improve this build for a while until this improves;, no matter what I try, the game sabotages my attempts to improve.

moderatelyfatman · November 29

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Running a parse for the 100th time and I'm lucky if I can get 1 parse in 10 where all skills fire off every time I hit the button. Engulfing flame is the worst, I swap bars, hit EF and my character just stands there like a lemon. Also, skills sometimes refuse to queue; other times, they queue fine. I get this with both my gaming PCs, and I'm on a very fast fibre internet. It never used to be this bad. Sometimes, I have to press the skill 4 times before it actually does anything. I watch youtubers with very similar builds and perfect rotations, nothing ever misses. I have light attacks failing to fire, skills not firing or queuing, it's really becoming a joke now, I'm losing 10-20K because of this. Is it just me?

Have you moved to Australia recently?

What you described is the norm for may PCNA players outside of the USA.

Furyous · November 29

C_Inside wrote: »

Yeah this is mostly caused by the new and improved garbage and broken animations they introduced last patch. It's particularly bad on Necro. Not only will Detonating Syphon not fire randomly because it's buggy by itself but now you also get the double RNG with the new animations sometimes also causing it to not fire.

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

This is untrue, my beams have not been going off when pressed the first time, I have gotten into the habit of just hitting the button 4 or 5 times every time I want to beam after building crux.

Erickson9610 · November 29

Werewolf was also affected by the animation changes. Hircine's Rage into Claws of Anguish usually doesn't show a visual for Claws actually going off, despite the UI telling me otherwise.

It'll definitely take some getting used to. I just can't rely on looking at my character for visual cues anymore, and instead look at my ability bar — which is, ironically, the complete opposite mentality ZOS had when designing the gameplay of Arcanist (they put the Crux around your character and not on the UI for a reason)!

Vulkunne · November 29

Happens on my NB Teleport Strike skills frequently. In fact, it happens so often on the Stam strike and DK leap that I stopped using them and switched to something else.

Mathius_Mordred · November 29

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Running a parse for the 100th time and I'm lucky if I can get 1 parse in 10 where all skills fire off every time I hit the button. Engulfing flame is the worst, I swap bars, hit EF and my character just stands there like a lemon. Also, skills sometimes refuse to queue; other times, they queue fine. I get this with both my gaming PCs, and I'm on a very fast fibre internet. It never used to be this bad. Sometimes, I have to press the skill 4 times before it actually does anything. I watch youtubers with very similar builds and perfect rotations, nothing ever misses. I have light attacks failing to fire, skills not firing or queuing, it's really becoming a joke now, I'm losing 10-20K because of this. Is it just me?

Have you moved to Australia recently?
What you described is the norm for may PCNA players outside of the USA.

No, I am in the UK, my ping is around 60-80ms

wolfie1.0. · November 29

Skills not firing, bars not swapping, heavy attacks not working. Someone broke something.

Last'One · November 29

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Skills not firing, bars not swapping, heavy attacks not working. Someone broke something.

Seems like everything is “working as expected.” No fixes in sight… so…

Kelenan7368 · November 30

Yes Blast bones is the worst offender but I get this problem on all my toons on multiple abilities especially in BG's

Jimbru · November 30

The global cooldown that's twice as long as most other MMOs doesn't help.

Gabriel_H · November 30

Jimbru wrote: »

The global cooldown that's twice as long as most other MMOs doesn't help.

ESO: 1.0s
WoW: 1.5s
Runescape: 1.8s
FFXIV: 2.5s
GW2: Variable
LotRO: Variable

Edit: Forgot to include ESO

SolarRune · November 30

For the first time since starting this game, this issue has made me reduce my playing time for the first time, because it so heavy impacts the areas of the game i enjoy. Please ZoS, for the good of the game, acknowledge this is still an issue and just tell us you're investigating, pretty please.

magnusthorek · 8:41AM

All the time! I have to smash tentacles' skill button while still channelling beam because if I wait until it finishes I lose 1–2 seconds. It doesn't help, but at least alleviates the issue.

Kinda tired of game going down the hill for those playing with high latency

Last'One · 9:25AM

magnusthorek wrote: »

All the time! I have to smash tentacles' skill button while still channelling beam because if I wait until it finishes I lose 1–2 seconds. It doesn't help, but at least alleviates the issue.

Kinda tired of game going down the hill for those playing with high latency

You can always use Oakensoul and HA builds.

Oh wait… they’re completely useless now. Yeah, tough luck, mate.

moderatelyfatman · 11:56AM

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

moderatelyfatman wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Running a parse for the 100th time and I'm lucky if I can get 1 parse in 10 where all skills fire off every time I hit the button. Engulfing flame is the worst, I swap bars, hit EF and my character just stands there like a lemon. Also, skills sometimes refuse to queue; other times, they queue fine. I get this with both my gaming PCs, and I'm on a very fast fibre internet. It never used to be this bad. Sometimes, I have to press the skill 4 times before it actually does anything. I watch youtubers with very similar builds and perfect rotations, nothing ever misses. I have light attacks failing to fire, skills not firing or queuing, it's really becoming a joke now, I'm losing 10-20K because of this. Is it just me?

Have you moved to Australia recently?
What you described is the norm for may PCNA players outside of the USA.

No, I am in the UK, my ping is around 60-80ms

In that case, I'd blame Brexit.

heaven13 · 12:07PM

Soarora wrote: »

C_Inside wrote: »

Of course you can just play a beam build. That works perfectly fine.

It actually doesn't. People complain that sometimes their beam doesn't fire and that scholarship isn't generating their extra crux when they flail with 0 crux. I don't know what's up with the second one but in my experience, the beam actually is happening but the visuals don't work at all. I can see the damage on the enemy, my weaving addon shows me that I'm currently casting a channel, and my ability bar also shows that I'm currently casting a channel. The damage isn't a solid way to see what's happening since... well... other things also make damage numbers show up. So, without my addons, I'd probably have no idea that my beam is even happening because my character looks like they're doing nothing. This started happening before the animation update.

I suspect that the same thing could be the cause of some skills not firing... where either they do and it's completely impossible to tell because it's not a channel or beam still does damage because it's a channel and otherwise wouldn't do anything.

I wonder if this is similar to what I've been experiencing. I noticed while trying to parse that my wall of elements (yes, I still use staves) wasn't firing. Weave Delays said it did but there was no animation and no visual left behind on the ground so I'd cast it again. I've noticed my templar beam also doesn't animate or have a visual even if my ability bar it says it's channeling. Between that and the change in duration of that channel, I truly hate it currently.

Gabriel_H · 12:33PM

heaven13 wrote: »

I wonder if this is similar to what I've been experiencing. I noticed while trying to parse that my wall of elements (yes, I still use staves) wasn't firing. Weave Delays said it did but there was no animation and no visual left behind on the ground so I'd cast it again. I've noticed my templar beam also doesn't animate or have a visual even if my ability bar it says it's channeling. Between that and the change in duration of that channel, I truly hate it currently.

There are delays in the animations. For practised players, this can look like a skill not firing so they press again, which then doesn't fire at all - see: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685935/skills-not-firing-part-of-the-problem - so they press again, at which point the GCD is up and so the skill fires and the animation plays.

Basically, 3 key-presss, 2 skill fires, only 1 animation. I suspect it's a mix of missing animations, optical illusions based on muscle memory perception, all wrapped up in occassional lag.

To get better clarity there would need to be data collected on key-presses to skill fires automatically collected, with notes made on animations shown. The key-presses and skill fires can be tracked via an addon, if someone wrote one.

Edit: The other thing to consider is that skills fire on release, not press.

Ei8htba11 · 1:25PM

I'll add my experience so it stays visible

Skills seemingly not firing (either delayed/no animation or the flat out don't work

Enemies animations not firing (getting hit by a heavy attack with no wind up animation or indication

Enemy ranged attacks affecting my character without visible effect

A general feeling of lagginess, partially excused by higher pop in areas during the event (though there should be some overhead/contingency for that, I would have assumed)

Based on previous experience with the game, it feels sub par in contrast to previous years (and I'm running on a more powerful rig than before)

Four_Fingers · 1:56PM

I notice it in PvE when using a companion, feels like game gives priority to companion skills before mine fire.