SilverBride wrote: »

frogthroat wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Another issue I see is what would players expect regarding rewards? There should not be infinite rewards given for repeating the same quests over and over.

Like trials? Small amount of xp and what is it, something like 100g? It's not something anyone would farm, but it would signify success.

No rewards for repeating quests that were already done and already rewarded the player.

The code gives you something when you complete a quest. Quickly, without checking: what are the rewards for completing a trial quest the second time?

Don't know because it's so small you never paid any attention, right?

Yeah, that reward, for example.

I would like this so i can collect the lorebooks inside the quest instanced areas.
I do not need a reward at all, at the end of the quest. Just being able to experience them again, and having an access to the instances is enough for me.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I still don't like the idea. It invalidates the progress already made and ruins immersion.

Then turn the markers off and don't take any. Problem solved for you.

Edit: Re "ruins immersion" - but killing the same WB over and over doesn't? Or the crag quests? Or the trial quests? Or the holiday quests?

Those quests are not the story like the zone quests are. They don't follow a progression through the zone from start to finish. Defeating a world boss that recovers, much as players do after being defeated, isn't the same as a zone story boss that is defeated and it's now over.

found through discoveries that your mind knows it has to focus in on because it can't be repeated?

Lolwut? Not my mind brother. Must be nice.

It should be noted that in the single player games you cant really repeat quests either. In skyrim for example you can move through quest stages via console but it doesn't always work and can sometimes mess up your save.

BUT redoing a character in skyrim for another playthrough is 50 million times less headache and time consuming than in eso, becasue console codes and purpose built mods. Eso doesn't, and probably cant, have that due to its nature as an mmo, so Toggleable repeatable quests that effect no one but those who choose to repeat them are next best thing.

I actually want to make more characters, been contemplating a new character slot, but every time I look at the grind and the whole one time use only thing. Its like ultimate fomo.

Remember, no savegames.

SilverBride wrote: »

I still don't like the idea. It invalidates the progress already made and ruins immersion.

As someone who's wanted repeatable zone quests for years, I had always assumed that the default would be that quests remain non-repeatable, but that the player should be able to make a decision to reset a zone's quests.

So, unlike the OP's suggestion I guess, we wouldn't need quest markers, but just a single option somewhere to activate the reset. Perhaps it could be through an item, an NPC or an altar somewhere.

I don't know if that would be easier or more likely than repeatable quest arrows, but I just really, really want to the ability to redo story quests.

SilverBride wrote: »

BretonMage wrote: »

...I just really, really want to the ability to redo story quests.

I do that... on new characters.

I'm not doing that. Not even to re-experience the stories.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Then turn the markers off and don't take any. Problem solved for you.

I don't want to turn off markers for quests I haven't done yet. So how would that work?

This sounds like it could be a lot of work and take a lot of Dev time that I'd rather see put to better use. Fixing bugs, broken quests and creating new content would be much better use of that time imo.

Zos have also shown recently that they're not that bothered about us repeating content (leaderboard places are now 1 per account - why repeat the weekly when there's no point?) so this probably isn't even on their radar.

SilverBride wrote: »

Those quests are not the story like the zone quests are. They don't follow a progression through the zone from start to finish.

Which is why some people have suggested a lore friendly idea of a magical scroll that takes you back in time before you even started the zone story.

Magical scrolls are part of TES lore.
Time travel is part of TES lore.
You don't have to read the scroll if you don't like to.
You can read the scroll if you want to.

What's the downside?

BretonMage wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I still don't like the idea. It invalidates the progress already made and ruins immersion.

As someone who's wanted repeatable zone quests for years, I had always assumed that the default would be that quests remain non-repeatable, but that the player should be able to make a decision to reset a zone's quests.

So, unlike the OP's suggestion I guess, we wouldn't need quest markers, but just a single option somewhere to activate the reset. Perhaps it could be through an item, an NPC or an altar somewhere.

I don't know if that would be easier or more likely than repeatable quest arrows, but I just really, really want to the ability to redo story quests.

This would actually be costly enough to ensure the quests still feel like they have stakes without completing cutting off the ability to repeat them.

I still would prefer they work on new stuff. But something like this would really help with the massive loss of immersion instantly repeatable creates. Great idea.

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.

ESO has magical scrolls.
ESO has time travel.

Both of which are not limited to just ESO, but are part of the whole TES lore.

What is your actual objection?

I would really like this option somehow just simply for moments like the end of solstice when defeating Mannimarco, that animation with Meridia's light was so badass lol. I didnt get enough proper pictures in the moment, the best I got was this:



There's also a number of quests I'd like to remember the details on, and making a whole new character to relive it but with a different context and story of said character is honestly too much effort for me personally. Im just not mmo brained enough for making countless toons. Took me forever to even start calling them toons lol and to make the five I have.

SilverBride wrote: »

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.

Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls

Um...

The Elder Scrolls is a group of single player games that have been very successful. Elder Scrolls Online ìs based off of these but it is multiplayer, which is very different from single player games in how we play. Even though they are using many of the same zones and lore they are separate games.

All of the elder scrolls games are separate games. Yes, ESO is a spin-off. But also none of the games really play the same.

Soarora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.

Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls

Um...

The Elder Scrolls is a group of single player games that have been very successful. Elder Scrolls Online ìs based off of these but it is multiplayer, which is very different from single player games in how we play. Even though they are using many of the same zones and lore they are separate games.

All of the elder scrolls games are separate games. Yes, ESO is a spin-off. But also none of the games really play the same.

The main series generally does. The earlier games are a good deal different because of age mostly but for instance they're all open world, even Arena, they all are first person, I think morrowind was the first without a mod to include third person, but even still theyre all designed with first person perspective in mind. Third never honestly felt right to me.

The first person thing was such a big deal that eso pretty much had to include it for fans to not get upset, but in retrospect honestly its so unfitting for this game that its really not needed, though I appreciate it when tanking at times. There was spellcrafting in Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion, sadly not Skyrim. Things change but there's definitely a lot of overlap especially since the games all were made on the same old ass game engine at least since Morrowind, pretty sure.

But yea, eso is a spinoff and most fans do not want any feature crossovers, what works here would not translate well to the main series in my opinion. I especially dont want "dragon knight" and "templar" or "arcanist" to be a thing in the lore, the combat and concept of magic is so vastly different in the main series its like a different world sometimes, which I never did like about eso but just got used to and dismissed it as "2nd Era magic", which does kind of work. There's abilities and powers from earlier eras closer to the dawn era that are much different from the 3rd and 4th era, but thats lore stuff.

The only thing I can think of that I'd ever want from eso to a very very small extent is better mounts. A Direwolf in skyrim would have been pretty cool. But that is literally it.

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

ESO isn't TES. It's multiplayer which follows different rules than single player games. These games share a lot of the lore but that doesn't mean that if one has a feature they both should.

Elder Scrolls Online
The Elder Scrolls

Um...

The Elder Scrolls is a group of single player games that have been very successful. Elder Scrolls Online ìs based off of these but it is multiplayer, which is very different from single player games in how we play. Even though they are using many of the same zones and lore they are separate games.

All of the elder scrolls games are separate games. Yes, ESO is a spin-off. But also none of the games really play the same.

I especially dont want "dragon knight" and "templar" or "arcanist" to be a thing in the lore, the combat and concept of magic is so vastly different in the main series its like a different world sometimes, which I never did like about eso but just got used to and dismissed it as "2nd Era magic", which does kind of work. There's abilities and powers from earlier eras closer to the dawn era that are much different from the 3rd and 4th era, but thats lore stuff.

The only thing I can think of that I'd ever want from eso to a very very small extent is better mounts. A Direwolf in skyrim would have been pretty cool. But that is literally it.

To be fair, the lore behind the classes don’t all make sense in ESO either. Dragonknight is specifically Tscaesci iirc. Warden is ???? opposite of Vvardenfell?

Sorcerers are how I tend to play skyrim… bound bow, 2 dremora. Miraak is an Arcanist (sans book). It could be argued Vigilants of Stendarr are Templars. Shadowscales are Nightblades. Necromancers are uhhh…… everywhere.

I have a mod I use in every Oldrim playthrough that has a whole lot of immersive mount options. It’s a player house.