Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
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colossalvoids✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Love this thin subtext equalising mowing mobs and real human beings some PvP players are having. Also trying to equalise two completely different dimensions of PvE and PvP play that most people want to finally unmarry after all the years kicking each other over patch notes.2 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭colossalvoids wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Love this thin subtext equalising mowing mobs and real human beings some PvP players are having. Also trying to equalise two completely different dimensions of PvE and PvP play that most people want to finally unmarry after all the years kicking each other over patch notes.
I just dont think its okay to mess arround with pvp to make it easier for people when not the same can be same with pve.
I dont ask you to agree with me but thats my opinion4 -
SneaK✭✭✭✭✭I gave Vengeance a shot, I really did. I liked the idea of pure classes.
It was awful.
I’d say if we learned anything from Vengeance, it’s maybe a format for below 50 characters and that’s it."IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)6 -
SneaK✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
This is such a wild take, it’s very clear to anyone that reads this that you are not a part of “the pvp community” you’re trying to speak for.
If you’re getting bombed, you’re likely a part of a Zerg, to which you included in the same complaint.
Wut?"IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)3 -
LadyGP✭✭✭✭✭
✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
I hear you but your overall problem is two fold.
1) ZoS didn't do any balancing (anything worthwhile anyways) for many many years. They knew ball groups were having a power creep and they did nothing about it. They knew heal stacking was an issue and did nothing about it.
So.. doing a full...swing this hard.. to remove ball groups is insane to me. The downstream ramifications of this are huge.. you're not hurting ball groups (they will still be there in some form) you're hurting every single person that has come to love your game.
2) You don't have time to theory craft - that's cool. You can still play PvP. EVERY PvP/MMO game is going to have a delta between most skilled and least skilled. If the goal is to overlay them and put them in a box so there is a 1:1 match up... well... then you've way lost the point in what makes PvP games great and MMOs great and there is no hope for this game anymore.
LadyGP/xCatGuy
PC/NA
Having network issues? Discconects? DM me and I will help you troubleshoot with PingPlotter to figure out what is going on.5 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
This is like saying they fixed stacking heals and overall balance by getting rid of cyrodiil, "fixing" is making adjustments not nuking everything that makes this an rpg.
But I wouldnt expect a different answer when you claimed the map changed because the sky is different.Edited by BardokRedSnow on 2 October 2025 17:06Tes fans hate Ulfric Stormcloak for imagined bigotry but love Dagoth Ur, the Empire, and the Telvanni unironically.4 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
This is such a wild take, it’s very clear to anyone that reads this that you are not a part of “the pvp community” you’re trying to speak for.
If you’re getting bombed, you’re likely a part of a Zerg, to which you included in the same complaint.
Wut?
I agree to an extent, you play long enough and during certain hours, you will get bombed unless you literally make it a point to always be alone, which good for those players but thats not the grand majority. Especially on DC where they're allergic to being tanky lol but will stack on you regardless.
The bombing thing has gotten obnoxious, but thats not an excuse to strip pvp of everything it was.Tes fans hate Ulfric Stormcloak for imagined bigotry but love Dagoth Ur, the Empire, and the Telvanni unironically.4 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
I could make the same argument for pve. Why don't we give pve the vengeance treatment so that "everyone can have fun".
How is taking options away from people having fun for them? How do you know you speak for everyone for that matter?Edited by edward_frigidhands on 2 October 2025 17:294 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Yeah I think it's time for me to get those trifectas and I don't really have the time to study the fights and different builds.5 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭colossalvoids wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Love this thin subtext equalising mowing mobs and real human beings some PvP players are having. Also trying to equalise two completely different dimensions of PvE and PvP play that most people want to finally unmarry after all the years kicking each other over patch notes.
You don't speak for most people. You speak for yourself.
Edited by edward_frigidhands on 2 October 2025 22:403 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Yeah I think it's time for me to get those trifectas and I don't really have the time to study the fights and different builds.
That’s what I mean. I don’t play trials at the moment, and I don’t have any up-to-date trial gear or even know what’s best in slot right now for joining a good trial guild to progress titles and skins, etc.
I don’t have the time to figure it all out, and honestly, I don’t want to — but the titles and skins would still be nice.
So I think it should be made easier for me to get the same rewards as all the people who put years into min-maxing, becoming good, studying the trials for hours, and running the same trial over and over — or just make them and their setups worse so I look better.
Because apparently, that’s fine in PvP now too.
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RaikaNA✭✭✭✭✭
✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.1 -
LPapirius✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?10 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is stopping you from looking up builds to start off with in pvp, theorycraft, find a group if playing solo isnt your thing by asking one of the guilds to take you in, practice duels to get better. If you wanna participate in smallscale groups or ballgroups, there's multiple with varying skill requirements, and its actually more accessible to you than getting trifecta trial achievements, by a large margin.
So the logic goes both ways. Difference is, because PvP is more niche and zos doesnt wanna spend effort balancing their game or listen to that part of the community, they'd rather replace it entirely, and people like you pretend to care about it when in reality you just wanna be catered to, whether it kills the game or not.
I don't care if you disagree or not, but at least be honest and not disingenuous. Don't pretend to be a longtime pvper to advocate for what you want.Tes fans hate Ulfric Stormcloak for imagined bigotry but love Dagoth Ur, the Empire, and the Telvanni unironically.6 -
RaikaNA✭✭✭✭✭
✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
Okay... so where do casual players who want to get their feet wet go to find good quality PvP builds? Can they go to ESOLOGS to find out what ball groups are using? Or perhaps find out what the solo players are using these days? Please do not link me to some YouTube channel. Content creators publish out crappy builds... trust me I know from personal experience.Edited by RaikaNA on 3 October 2025 02:181 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
Okay... so where do casual players who want to get their feet wet go to find good quality PvP builds? Can they go to ESOLOGS to find out what ball groups are using? Or perhaps find out what the solo players are using these days? Please do not link me to some YouTube channel. Content creators publish out crappy builds... trust me I know from personal experience.
Join a guild, ask some folk. Lots of knowledgeable folk like to flex and share tech with those willing to learn and listen.
Play a BG. If someone on your team is dominating, ask them what they're running. If you get dominated by someone else, don't be salty in their DMs and instead ask about their build. They probably won't give it to you 100% but will often sketch the outline.
Also, download the ESOLogs client and take a log yourself while you're PvPing. If you're smart you can deconstruct every detail about not only your allies but also your enemies.2 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
🤦♂️StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?BardokRedSnow wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is stopping you from looking up builds to start off with in pvp, theorycraft, find a group if playing solo isnt your thing by asking one of the guilds to take you in, practice duels to get better. If you wanna participate in smallscale groups or ballgroups, there's multiple with varying skill requirements, and its actually more accessible to you than getting trifecta trial achievements, by a large margin.
So the logic goes both ways. Difference is, because PvP is more niche and zos doesnt wanna spend effort balancing their game or listen to that part of the community, they'd rather replace it entirely, and people like you pretend to care about it when in reality you just wanna be catered to, whether it kills the game or not.
I don't care if you disagree or not, but at least be honest and not disingenuous. Don't pretend to be a longtime pvper to advocate for what you want.
Thank you for overtaking 🙏StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
Okay... so where do casual players who want to get their feet wet go to find good quality PvP builds? Can they go to ESOLOGS to find out what ball groups are using? Or perhaps find out what the solo players are using these days? Please do not link me to some YouTube channel. Content creators publish out crappy builds... trust me I know from personal experience.
Okay i didnt know you cant play pvp if you dont know what ball groups run.
Also you cant claim that all content creators post wrong stuff when you can literally see the buffs proccing like rallying cry flashing, null arca stacking, balorgh glowing and the new mythic being worn on everything.
I dont need eso logs for this.
Tell me you are not a pvp player without telling me youre not a pvp player.3 -
SneaK✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
🤦♂️StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?BardokRedSnow wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is stopping you from looking up builds to start off with in pvp, theorycraft, find a group if playing solo isnt your thing by asking one of the guilds to take you in, practice duels to get better. If you wanna participate in smallscale groups or ballgroups, there's multiple with varying skill requirements, and its actually more accessible to you than getting trifecta trial achievements, by a large margin.
So the logic goes both ways. Difference is, because PvP is more niche and zos doesnt wanna spend effort balancing their game or listen to that part of the community, they'd rather replace it entirely, and people like you pretend to care about it when in reality you just wanna be catered to, whether it kills the game or not.
I don't care if you disagree or not, but at least be honest and not disingenuous. Don't pretend to be a longtime pvper to advocate for what you want.
Thank you for overtaking 🙏StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
Okay... so where do casual players who want to get their feet wet go to find good quality PvP builds? Can they go to ESOLOGS to find out what ball groups are using? Or perhaps find out what the solo players are using these days? Please do not link me to some YouTube channel. Content creators publish out crappy builds... trust me I know from personal experience.
Okay i didnt know you cant play pvp if you dont know what ball groups run.
Also you cant claim that all content creators post wrong stuff when you can literally see the buffs proccing like rallying cry flashing, null arca stacking, balorgh glowing and the new mythic being worn on everything.
I dont need eso logs for this.
Tell me you are not a pvp player without telling me youre not a pvp player.
Simplified, this person is mad PvP is hard and at the same time unhappy with his/her participation rewards."IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)1 -
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✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.Enemy to many
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✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
I ran into a ball group once at it lagged me out. Put that into your data.3 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
I ran into a ball group once at it lagged me out. Put that into your data.
I ran into a merchant in Rawl and it lagged me out.Edited by Stridig on 3 October 2025 20:18Enemy to many
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
I ran into a ball group once at it lagged me out. Put that into your data.
I ran into a merchant in Rawl and it lagged me out.
As funny and true as that is, anyone that's played primetime cyrodiil can tell you this is an obvious fact. In fact, the ballgroups know this and take advantage of it.
edit: Its obvious at least on Primetime Greyhost NA.Edited by BardokRedSnow on 3 October 2025 20:45Tes fans hate Ulfric Stormcloak for imagined bigotry but love Dagoth Ur, the Empire, and the Telvanni unironically.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
I ran into a ball group once at it lagged me out. Put that into your data.
I ran into a merchant in Rawl and it lagged me out.
As funny and true as that is, anyone that's played primetime cyrodiil can tell you this is an obvious fact. In fact, the ballgroups know this and take advantage of it.
edit: Its obvious at least on Primetime Greyhost NA.
Same can be said of add-ons and add-on powerusers.
You definitely will notice a difference between the ballgroups that also stack layers of custom add-ons and those that do not.
But most folk want to sweep that under the rug.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Further, most good folk would be scandalized by the degree of highly cheat-adjacent information that can be gleaned from said custom add-ons.
There's a reason why they're not up on ESOUI.2 -
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✭I'm pretty sure there are shady people playing the game. But to say ball groups hope for lag so they can take advantage of people is just ridiculous. Balls groups die fast if the can't cast skills. Just like everyone else.Enemy to many
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✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
How am I supposed to obtain this data you're asking me to get, showing ball groups causing the lag? Only the developers have this data. There is no way that regular players like us can get it unless you can explain to me how, without risking my account being banned. It's simple programming. The server cannot handle the excessive amount of proc'ing and rigorous recasting of skills.
When I get near a ball group, my game starts to lag out. My ability to cast skills becomes limited... swapping bars starts to become difficult for me... which then causes me not to self-heal because Vigors is on my second bar.
And there is PLENTY of proof that ballgroups are causing lag to the server... Just ask around.2 -
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✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
🤦♂️StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?BardokRedSnow wrote: »StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is stopping you from looking up builds to start off with in pvp, theorycraft, find a group if playing solo isnt your thing by asking one of the guilds to take you in, practice duels to get better. If you wanna participate in smallscale groups or ballgroups, there's multiple with varying skill requirements, and its actually more accessible to you than getting trifecta trial achievements, by a large margin.
So the logic goes both ways. Difference is, because PvP is more niche and zos doesnt wanna spend effort balancing their game or listen to that part of the community, they'd rather replace it entirely, and people like you pretend to care about it when in reality you just wanna be catered to, whether it kills the game or not.
I don't care if you disagree or not, but at least be honest and not disingenuous. Don't pretend to be a longtime pvper to advocate for what you want.
Thank you for overtaking 🙏StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Then again lets have the same in pve. I want to participate trials too, but wont be taken by any serious trial guild unless i hit a 140k dps with certain sets.
Fix that
Nothing is stopping you from participating in trials. Get yourself an Arcanist and go to ESOlogs.com and find out what the current meta for gear/skills,etc. And yeah... if you wanna participate in speed runs or no death runs... yeah, these kinds of groups are gonna be looking for the best. Nothing is stopping you from using group finder to find a regular vet trial. I used to do it all the time, and that's how I got most of my trial skins from using the group finder.
Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from being successful in PvP either. Everyone already has the same resources to work with when it comes to both PvE and PvP. So we don't need vengeance because it's a solution in search of a problem, right?
Okay... so where do casual players who want to get their feet wet go to find good quality PvP builds? Can they go to ESOLOGS to find out what ball groups are using? Or perhaps find out what the solo players are using these days? Please do not link me to some YouTube channel. Content creators publish out crappy builds... trust me I know from personal experience.
Okay i didnt know you cant play pvp if you dont know what ball groups run.
Also you cant claim that all content creators post wrong stuff when you can literally see the buffs proccing like rallying cry flashing, null arca stacking, balorgh glowing and the new mythic being worn on everything.
I dont need eso logs for this.
Tell me you are not a pvp player without telling me youre not a pvp player.
Simplified, this person is mad PvP is hard and at the same time unhappy with his/her participation rewards.
No, PvP is not hard... just extremely ridiculous with the broken sets (people relying on proc sets to get free damage) and the self-heals being too overpowering and the ridiculous tank meta. I remember back when people were running around Cyrodill with 25k HP... now people are running around with 36k+, probably a lot more.... I've seen ball groups with players having 40k HP.2 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭StihlReign wrote: »I have mixed feelings about the video...
First off, vengeance is NOT "The WORST PvP Future of ESO". It is the vanilla version aka GH.
Not even remotely close. Vengeance is an entirely different system no one asked for, being designed and developed by the devs.
PTS Patch Notes v11.2.0
Vengeance
Loadouts are now in Vengeance. A Loadout is essentially a package...
Perks are now in Vengeance. Perks are passives to add...
A new Vengeance Inventory has been created...
Many systems have been turned back on including....
Your standard inventory is now available in Vengeance, however the same item restrictions...
The pvp community for the longest time have been begging the developers to provide new pvp content, and Vengeance is exactly that.. new content. It is an entirely different Cyrodiil map that its worth exploring. It has different set of rules in comparison to the regular GH campaign.
I actually enjoy Vengeance because I don't have to worry about getting bombed and getting zerged down by ball groups.
So you like veng because the devs refused to address pvp balance for 7+ years.. let it get way out of hand.. and then bascially took all skill away from cyro and made it a one size fits all everyone gets a prize style combat loop?
You realize this will continue to have a lower and lower pop to where you're lucky if you get one fight a night... right?
Vengeance actually fixes the PVP balance by removing sets and stack healing. There are no bombers and no ball groups during the Vengeance event. It's actually a refreshing not having to deal with either. Ball groups play a big role in lagging up the server by overloading the server. Ball groups know about this and still exploit the game just so that they can look good on their YouTube channel when they farm pugs and casual groups.
Also, not everyone has the time to test out sets and to theory craft a good PvP build.. so people are coming into Cryodill with sets that are completely garbage that they don't know... How can you have fun with that? So disabling sets gives other people the opportunity to have fun and to have a good PvP experience.
Can you please link the data showing ball groups cause the lag? Also the data showing what their exploit is? We could end vengeance forever if you could provide that data to ZOS since they don't have it. Also, accusing people of exploitation without any proof is dumb.
How am I supposed to obtain this data you're asking me to get, showing ball groups causing the lag? Only the developers have this data. There is no way that regular players like us can get it unless you can explain to me how, without risking my account being banned. It's simple programming. The server cannot handle the excessive amount of proc'ing and rigorous recasting of skills.
When I get near a ball group, my game starts to lag out. My ability to cast skills becomes limited... swapping bars starts to become difficult for me... which then causes me not to self-heal because Vigors is on my second bar.
And there is PLENTY of proof that ballgroups are causing lag to the server... Just ask around.
plenty of proof, source : trust me bro, my friend said the same4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm pretty sure there are shady people playing the game. But to say ball groups hope for lag so they can take advantage of people is just ridiculous. Balls groups die fast if the can't cast skills. Just like everyone else.
I don't think groups are purposefully causing lag, or attempting to cause lag in order to gain some benefit for themselves over their opponents. That's just silly.
But they are 100% undoubtedly the first and foremost cause of prime time PVP lag. Nearly every night I've played over the past few years, it becomes immediately clear when the ball groups log in and begin playing. You can genuinely feel it.
Further, zenimax themselves did firmly confirm that ball groups are the cause of the performance issues. Back during one of their early performance tests maybe 4-6 years ago (I think the AOE cooldown test or perhaps the cross healing test), they did share their "results" after finishing. They cited that the behaviors of certain groups stacking together and rapidly refreshing their buffs and heals was something they had not anticipated when designing ESO, and was the number one thing impacting performance.
While I agree many posters are going overboard with their suggestions that groups are maliciously causing the performance issues for their own gain, they aren't wrong that the groups are in fact the primary cause of the lag.@ReactSlower - PC/NA - 2000+ CP
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