Last'One wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage in PvP in Elder Scrolls, as it’s not something I enjoy. In my opinion, and I want to stress that this is just my perspective, the current setup leaves both communities a little unsatisfied. PvP players don’t get the full, dedicated PvP experience they might want, and PvE players, who often play Elder Scrolls primarily for its rich story and world, also don’t get a fully PvE-focused game. It feels like both groups only receive half of what they could have.

I don’t mean this as criticism of PvP or PvE players, I respect both communities. I also don’t claim to know what ZOS should or could do to improve PvP. But from my own point of view, I believe the best way to strengthen the game would be to focus more on PvE, because that’s what has always made Elder Scrolls truly amazing.

PvE makes Elder Scrolls amazing. Not PvP!

Urzigurumash wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage with the above comment. Other comments make this forum amazing. Not the one above this one!

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage in PvP in Elder Scrolls, as it’s not something I enjoy. In my opinion, and I want to stress that this is just my perspective, the current setup leaves both communities a little unsatisfied. PvP players don’t get the full, dedicated PvP experience they might want, and PvE players, who often play Elder Scrolls primarily for its rich story and world, also don’t get a fully PvE-focused game. It feels like both groups only receive half of what they could have.

I don’t mean this as criticism of PvP or PvE players, I respect both communities. I also don’t claim to know what ZOS should or could do to improve PvP. But from my own point of view, I believe the best way to strengthen the game would be to focus more on PvE, because that’s what has always made Elder Scrolls truly amazing.

PvE makes Elder Scrolls amazing. Not PvP!

I don't understand why you're posting that in a thread about the Vengeance campaign. It has nothing to do with this topic.

I think this comment shows very good what a real PvE player with no interest in PvP looks like and how he differs from Vengeance PvP „PvE“ players.

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

exiars10 wrote: »

From the yesterday's (Friday) evening.

This is all fake news, right? It can't be real?
According to some forum members here, server has 80 pop cap, no?

120+ AD players at siege.


80+ AD players at castle defense.


110+ AD players at castle defense.

Nobody said it was. The whole point of my thread was to make the argument that the pops seen during V1, V2, and during primetime weekend V3 is not sustainable over a full week and over months.

At least not for PC NA. Maybe for PC EU it will be. But from my experience logging in all week all I saw on other factions not named EP was to log out due to being flat out zerged down.

ToddIngram wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

There wasnt a queue because Vengeance has 3 times the capacity of GreyHost and would barely reach 3 bars when it has same number of players than GreyHost with 50 queue.

ToddIngram wrote: »

Iriidius wrote: »

ToddIngram wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

There wasnt a queue because Vengeance has 3 times the capacity of GreyHost and would barely reach 3 bars when it has same number of players than GreyHost with 50 queue.

You don't know that. It's an assumption on your part.

Sure I have Source: It was stated by ZOS.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/675548

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

• We were able to hit triple the amount of players that is currently possible in a single Cyrodiil campaign.

• We had three times the number of players in a single Cyrodiil campaign with little to no performance problems.

The event is probably drawing people away. That and the capstone reward is pretty good.

That said, uh I'm tired and sitting this one out. I did participate in Vengeance I and II, those were great. Also having some issues with which faction to support as Vengeance requires a greater amount of 'caring' and having people not want you around just because they think everything belongs to them, makes me not care. I've heard similar things from others who wanted to participate but one faction has the numbers and everyone else is under water.

Nah, I just don't have time for that. Getting more done with the event and exploring subclassing a bit more. Really producing good results on this end. I still think Vengeance is a great campaign but sometimes I wish ZOS would take a page out of New World's playbook on how to manage faction pop. New World's approach there is also good because it forces people to think before they make faction changes, among other things. I hated New World's combat system though but factions they got right.

Here it really feels like nothing matters and it matters even less when you have PvP Guild leaders telling people to leave the faction/server, threatening to report you just for riding with them to a siege. PvP has alot of issues and as good as Vengeance has been its inheriting some of these and it shows.

This is Saturday, 9/27/25 AT 10:47pm est... prime time on the PC/NA server.



from the past Vengeance campaign event that managed to get all POP locks on ALL factions. The results from this event is dreadful..This is subpar at best.

Perhaps it was NOT a very good idea to initiate Vengeance while there is an ongoing undaunted event involving tickets.

When you drop the next vengeance event please consider not adding it on Xbox EU at all. Cyrodiil is literally empty at this point (was already bad but this is a new low).

Ostonoha wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

From the yesterday's (Friday) evening.

This is all fake news, right? It can't be real?
According to some forum members here, server has 80 pop cap, no?

120+ AD players at siege.


80+ AD players at castle defense.


110+ AD players at castle defense.

The whole point of my thread was to make the argument that the pops seen during V1, V2, and during primetime weekend V3 is not sustainable over a full week and over months.

It's definitely not sustainable in v3, apart from all current issues from major event going to general disappointment with the dev team, current update state, next update's possible state etc. but that's only a test, not a game mode. Most people are there just farming doors most probably in the third one, only know one person who's there and they're just farming also despite all others who like the general idea or direction for the possible mode, but aren't there because there's nothing yet, also so insignificant changes between the tests doesn't really brings any interest, most complaints weren't yet heard, might never be.

There's nothing really to compare, we have people who coped for long time and new ones who populate current day Cyro barely occupying 60 slots per corner. And the way higher pop-capped test which has no real audience yet, just some checking it out when it picks their interest or one's who left Cyro years ago, with hopes of past greatness returning at least in some form, even that limited, doesn't really matter.