Last'One wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage in PvP in Elder Scrolls, as it’s not something I enjoy. In my opinion, and I want to stress that this is just my perspective, the current setup leaves both communities a little unsatisfied. PvP players don’t get the full, dedicated PvP experience they might want, and PvE players, who often play Elder Scrolls primarily for its rich story and world, also don’t get a fully PvE-focused game. It feels like both groups only receive half of what they could have.

I don’t mean this as criticism of PvP or PvE players, I respect both communities. I also don’t claim to know what ZOS should or could do to improve PvP. But from my own point of view, I believe the best way to strengthen the game would be to focus more on PvE, because that’s what has always made Elder Scrolls truly amazing.

PvE makes Elder Scrolls amazing. Not PvP!

Urzigurumash wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage with the above comment. Other comments make this forum amazing. Not the one above this one!

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

Last'One wrote: »

I personally choose not to engage in PvP in Elder Scrolls, as it’s not something I enjoy. In my opinion, and I want to stress that this is just my perspective, the current setup leaves both communities a little unsatisfied. PvP players don’t get the full, dedicated PvP experience they might want, and PvE players, who often play Elder Scrolls primarily for its rich story and world, also don’t get a fully PvE-focused game. It feels like both groups only receive half of what they could have.

I don’t mean this as criticism of PvP or PvE players, I respect both communities. I also don’t claim to know what ZOS should or could do to improve PvP. But from my own point of view, I believe the best way to strengthen the game would be to focus more on PvE, because that’s what has always made Elder Scrolls truly amazing.

PvE makes Elder Scrolls amazing. Not PvP!

I don't understand why you're posting that in a thread about the Vengeance campaign. It has nothing to do with this topic.

I think this comment shows very good what a real PvE player with no interest in PvP looks like and how he differs from Vengeance PvP „PvE“ players.

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

exiars10 wrote: »

From the yesterday's (Friday) evening.

This is all fake news, right? It can't be real?
According to some forum members here, server has 80 pop cap, no?

120+ AD players at siege.


80+ AD players at castle defense.


110+ AD players at castle defense.

Nobody said it was. The whole point of my thread was to make the argument that the pops seen during V1, V2, and during primetime weekend V3 is not sustainable over a full week and over months.

At least not for PC NA. Maybe for PC EU it will be. But from my experience logging in all week all I saw on other factions not named EP was to log out due to being flat out zerged down.

ToddIngram wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

There wasnt a queue because Vengeance has 3 times the capacity of GreyHost and would barely reach 3 bars when it has same number of players than GreyHost with 50 queue.

ToddIngram wrote: »

Iriidius wrote: »

ToddIngram wrote: »

StihlReign wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

You can tell yourself that its not that many people and they will accept a different version of the game that has all the things you dont like disabled and everyone will just accept it. But you know thats not true and the developers do too.

Think what you wish. You can tell yourself everyone wants to play Grey Host while the zone's population continues to drop until you're the last one left. Play the test. Contribute to the data, or don't.

Grey Host live has a more stable and higher population than vengeance has. There wasn't even a queue last night during prime time on a weekend. There would have been a queue of at least 50 if it weren't for vengeance.

There wasnt a queue because Vengeance has 3 times the capacity of GreyHost and would barely reach 3 bars when it has same number of players than GreyHost with 50 queue.

You don't know that. It's an assumption on your part.

Sure I have Source: It was stated by ZOS.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/675548

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

• We were able to hit triple the amount of players that is currently possible in a single Cyrodiil campaign.

• We had three times the number of players in a single Cyrodiil campaign with little to no performance problems.

The event is probably drawing people away. That and the capstone reward is pretty good.

That said, uh I'm tired and sitting this one out. I did participate in Vengeance I and II, those were great. Also having some issues with which faction to support as Vengeance requires a greater amount of 'caring' and having people not want you around just because they think everything belongs to them, makes me not care. I've heard similar things from others who wanted to participate but one faction has the numbers and everyone else is under water.

Nah, I just don't have time for that. Getting more done with the event and exploring subclassing a bit more. Really producing good results on this end. I still think Vengeance is a great campaign but sometimes I wish ZOS would take a page out of New World's playbook on how to manage faction pop. New World's approach there is also good because it forces people to think before they make faction changes, among other things. I hated New World's combat system though but factions they got right.

Here it really feels like nothing matters and it matters even less when you have PvP Guild leaders telling people to leave the faction/server, threatening to report you just for riding with them to a siege. PvP has alot of issues and as good as Vengeance has been its inheriting some of these and it shows.

This is Saturday, 9/27/25 AT 10:47pm est... prime time on the PC/NA server.



from the past Vengeance campaign event that managed to get all POP locks on ALL factions. The results from this event is dreadful..This is subpar at best.

Perhaps it was NOT a very good idea to initiate Vengeance while there is an ongoing undaunted event involving tickets.

When you drop the next vengeance event please consider not adding it on Xbox EU at all. Cyrodiil is literally empty at this point (was already bad but this is a new low).

Ostonoha wrote: »

exiars10 wrote: »

From the yesterday's (Friday) evening.

This is all fake news, right? It can't be real?
According to some forum members here, server has 80 pop cap, no?

120+ AD players at siege.


80+ AD players at castle defense.


110+ AD players at castle defense.

The whole point of my thread was to make the argument that the pops seen during V1, V2, and during primetime weekend V3 is not sustainable over a full week and over months.

It's definitely not sustainable in v3, apart from all current issues from major event going to general disappointment with the dev team, current update state, next update's possible state etc. but that's only a test, not a game mode. Most people are there just farming doors most probably in the third one, only know one person who's there and they're just farming also despite all others who like the general idea or direction for the possible mode, but aren't there because there's nothing yet, also so insignificant changes between the tests doesn't really brings any interest, most complaints weren't yet heard, might never be.

There's nothing really to compare, we have people who coped for long time and new ones who populate current day Cyro barely occupying 60 slots per corner. And the way higher pop-capped test which has no real audience yet, just some checking it out when it picks their interest or one's who left Cyro years ago, with hopes of past greatness returning at least in some form, even that limited, doesn't really matter.

I played between ~20.30 and 23 just like every other day.
Saturday evening prime time "PCMR" EU mega server started with a Blue boycott.
AD - 2 bars
EP - 2 bars
DC - 1 bar

Let me say that our situation was borderline abysmal when I entered.


That caused big AD mobilization, and I saw AD PvP guilds joined to defend our glorious Queen's honour.
This is clearly fake news as Cyrodiil pros are boycotting, right?
Population at 20.40:


At 21.40, Blues decided to stop boycott and join.
I saw some of their guilds, too, which is impossible because Reddit and forum members here told us.


The following next hour was the best ever with multiply open battles, sieges and scroll runs.
There were multiply 3 way battles, too as Blues actually fought.
Map at 22 CET as Blue with their PvP guilds steamrolled into us, and our PvP guilds steamrolled deep into Red territory:


At 22.15, some of ours dropped:
AD - 2 bars
EP - 2 bars
DC - 2 bars

I left Cyrodiil at 23.02, and so did some Blues:
AD - 2 bars
EP - 2 bars
DC - 1 bar

Miat's PVP Alerts under reports players, especially enemy players.
Author explained how reporting works, I understand that, but I still got fooled multiply times by low enemy numbers.
Oh, it's just few a Blues / Reds, no issues, except to encounter whole swarm.


At ~21.10, big beautiful golden eagle wave formed at Sejanus spearheaded by AD PvP guilds.
It went via BRK to Arrius, and then split. 130+ AD players in one place? 120+ record from Friday evening is passed?
No way, those are classic Veiled Heritance fake news...

You can clearly see, sadly, that FPS tanked just like in Friday when there are so many players in the one place ...






EDIT
Fixed some Grammar errors.

exiars10 wrote: »

Ostonoha wrote: »

Nobody said it was. The whole point of my thread was to make the argument that the pops seen during V1, V2, and during primetime weekend V3 is not sustainable over a full week and over months.

At least not for PC NA. Maybe for PC EU it will be. But from my experience logging in all week all I saw on other factions not named EP was to log out due to being flat out zerged down.

I still see posts (see below) that some members here still vehemently deny that Vengeance has increased pop cap.
At least 1 bar in Vengeance = 2x bars GH which I demonstrated, but I still believe in Kevin's statement from V1 test that it's 3x.
Still, 2x can't be denied, and for PC EU, there are more Cyrodiil player in V3 in the Prime time than all campaigns together in regular Cyrodiil.
Population on PC EU mega server which is the biggest population wise is stable whole week despite one the biggest PvE events with attached GP, and ths tme there are zero incentives for normie PvE players to play Vengeance.

I plan to open thread with voting tomorrow dedicated PC EU V3.
There are still things which I can't explain why it's success here in the contrast to underperforming (PC NA) and failing (consoles) on other mega servers.

Anyone saying the pop caps are not higher are 10000% in the wrong.

The pop is higher in many cases this is true. But yet again that was not the point on my entire thread which appears to have been hijacked by people like you arguing a totally different issue.

I am glad you on PC EU are seeing good population. But on PC NA it is a totally different world. As primetime NA last night the pop was 3 bar ep, 1bar dc 2 bar ad

All you are actually saying and showing is that YOU in PC EU have it good. Meanwhile the people of PC NA, Xbox and PS are clearly showing how bad the pop in balance is in their realms. Should the issues of the other servers get ignored?

From my understanding anyways of PC EU which correct me someone from EU if this is not the case. It always has a huge spike during primetime and is dead otherwise. But PC NA has spikes of increased players over the course of the day.

I dunno what it’s like over in pc eu normally but those numbers are still garbage compared to what pvp used to be like on NA, veterans can attest to that