Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR

fizzybeef · September 22

Yes you read right.
On PS EU the war is over! I can explain why. Because there is nobody left to play.

Im sure there are people enjoying this game mode, im not here to argue with you. But on the insanely low population PS EU (specially PVP) has anyway, this is just the nail in the coffin.

I was so free to made some screenshots from PS EU Primetime which is now, about 7.30 uk wich is 8.30 eu (pm).

Then i thought, well lets have a look into the leaderboard - how many players are online now, when the whole cyrodiil pvp is BUNDLED in one campaign. Lets have a look:

AD 31 players listed in the leaderboard hours after the servers came online again

DC a whole 25 players listed in the leaderboard hours after the servers came online again

EP 58 players listed in the leaderboard hours after the servers came online again

The people on this server dont want Vengeance. Pvp was never full populated in weeks on this server anyway.
With vengeance you just ended pvp and i dont know how you want to recover the population without a midyear mayhem wich isnt coming before January i believe.

And with all respect zos, the last vengeance the data must of shown you this. Because after the first 3 days last vengeance the bars were all zero aswell.

I just dont understand why this is done to the server and i will not support this and not play this till its over.

Æthërnüm · September 22

best PvP game mode, they said, we'd love to play it again, they said.
nobody playing it without pursuit

it's just KEKW

Radiate77 · September 22

The time to kill is just too long and the AP isn’t proportional to that, why waste your time after testing the ruleset when you’re not actually progressing anything.

fizzybeef · September 22

Just to clarify and express my anger lol;

The servers are up since 3 pm eu and 2 pm uk time.
This is 5 hours ago.

And this is PLAYSTATION. Playstation is NOT a unpopular gaming plattform.
Also this is the whole EUROPEAN ESO server who are all forced to play in the same campaign, no blackreach no ravenwatch no nothing.

And the whole PLAYSTATION EUROPEAN SERVER can just throw like 118 people in total into the stress test in FIVE HOURS?!

This is a pure desaster.

mocap · September 22

I also don't see the point of ZOS pushing this campaign. Its popularity clearly short-lived, driven by players with little to no PvP interest.

fizzybeef · September 22

mocap wrote: »

I also don't see the point of ZOS pushing this campaign. Its popularity clearly short-lived, driven by players with little to no PvP interest.

Even if there are a lot vengeance lovers who play pvp.

The quiet majority just quits.

Its outragous

The_Meathead · September 22

It feels even worse this time, for some reason. The novelty is long gone and now it's just slow, boring, but also has some insanely powerful outliers in damage (NB's Grim Focus chunking 2/3 of your Hps, for example.) I gave it twenty minutes, but I think I'm done till next week.

All I really want is regular Cyrodiil with some problematic sets trimmed or nerfed and a limit on Cross-Heals/Shields, but they keep pushing Vengeance like there's a planned agenda.

They need to stop trying to make Fetch happen.

tomofhyrule · September 22

It’s ok, I’m sure it’s not like the Combat Team will focus 100% of their effort for the next patch on making Vengeance into a brand new game mode. We’ll probably see them table Vengeance for a bit so they can focus on balancing the Classes first.

…right?

😬

Ilumia · September 22

I am not informed enough to have an opinion on this, so I'm not saying for or against or anything of that sort. I am just interested in knowing what the expected numbers on ps would have been, or what the comparison is, because I don't have a perspective to put it in, and therefore I don't understand the magnitude of the problem.

Iriidius · September 22

On PC EU every Alliance has 3 bars despite no Vengeance golden pursuit but undaunted golden pursuit and event keeping player busy elsewhere so everyone there chose to play Vengeance PvP to play Vengeance not to finish golden pursuit.
With Vengeance cap being 3 times normal cap that is like 3 bars GreyHost, Blackreach and Ravenwatch which even last MYM barely managed.
Like you said yourself PvP on PC NA wasn’t full populated for weeks so it seems more like a general PvP problem.

Panthermic · September 22

Since nobody but ZOS knows the exact numbers, 58 players on the regular Gray Host could easily mean 3 bars. While 3 bars right now, 21:30 CEST, on PC EU in Vengeance could mean 300.

I don't want to be mean, but I think consoles weren't originally designed for MMOs. PC players don't keep begging for crossplay either.

MISTFORMBZZZ · September 22

3 of 100 in cyrodiil 🫣
PS EU

Stamicka · September 22

There’s no Golden Pursuit for it and it’s running during the Undaunted event. It could’ve been planned better IMO..

Anyway despite being 0 bars I found more action than I would find in Gray Host at this time of day. If Vengeance is showing 0 bars, it could still very well be more populated than a Gray Host with 2 bars.

colossalvoids · September 22

Idk about PS as both consoles constantly report low engagement all year long but overall even apart from the undaunted event occupying people's time recent Devs engagement with the community left a lot of people pretty bitter and in personal observation quite reserved from playing lot (or at all) recently.

alternatelder · September 22

There is the Undaunted event going on right now, probably a big reason the pop is low. I don't understand why they would push this event at the same time. Anyway, these threads are getting tiring when there are many obvious variables you ignore when claiming the game is dead.

Rohamad_Ali · September 22

No one wants to test pvp anymore. We are tired. Also, the usual suspects ruin it every time.

valenwood_vegan · September 22

I honestly don't understand what the purpose of this iteration of vengeance is.

There's not really much that's new. It's a low population time of the year to begin with. Vengeance is up against a pve event and a non-pvp golden pursuit. I mean they didn't even bother to include a pvp endeavor today or for the weekly. The lack of a roadmap or a real understanding of what we should be testing at this point doesn't help either.

I popped in and it was a lot like regular cyro - not much happening around the map, pvdoor against mostly undefended keeps, no groups running, toxic zone chat. Why would I participate? Oh well.

Asdara · September 22

Panthermic wrote: »

Since nobody but ZOS knows the exact numbers, 58 players on the regular Gray Host could easily mean 3 bars. While 3 bars right now, 21:30 CEST, on PC EU in Vengeance could mean 300.

I don't want to be mean, but I think consoles weren't originally designed for MMOs. PC players don't keep begging for crossplay either.

that litteraly 1 hours later tho :

Orbital78 · September 22

The Undaunted event is going on, poor timing IMO

aetherix8 · September 22

War still raging PC EU

AllenaNightWood · September 22

well this is going on during undaunted so i dont know what you were expecting

Rkindaleft · September 22

They should have planned this better. If they want people to "test" this meaningfully it should be when there are no other events or give some incentive to try it out like before when they had the pursuit. It's 7pm EST on PSNA and Vengeance currently has no bars, I'm in 3 guilds with 500 members and I approximately have *one* guild member in Vengeance lol.

fizzybeef · September 22

Orbital78 wrote: »

The Undaunted event is going on, poor timing IMO

Undaunted event is a repetive event and its going on some days now already. Im sure it has some impact but im sorry, i doubt its pulling EVERYONE off.

tomofhyrule · September 22

AllenaNightWood wrote: »

well this is going on during undaunted so i dont know what you were expecting

I’m sure the thought is: “Undaunted is an event focusing on the group PvE community, so the PvP community will be completely free to play Vengeance after speedrunning their day’s FG1 for tickets. And the casual players will be inspired to both do a few random dungeons to enjoy the event and then go enjoy the increased AP in Cyrodiil!”

Unfortunately the reality is more “the casuals won’t touch group content or PvP with a 10-foot pole, and since the midgame playerbase is suffering a population deficit lately, that means the major populations doing the Undaunted event and Vengeance overlap significantly and players would rather have expensive motifs than AP they don’t need.”

Poss · September 23

It’s the same on both Xbox servers. NA is usually popping but the leaderboards were all sparse. Nobody wants vengeance and it shouldn’t be up to us to test a gamemode that the devs have had 11 years to perfect. Employ better devs

JohnRingo · September 23

Its prime time on PlayStation NA. NO BARS in Cyrodil Vengeance. I think the PvP player base has spoken. Test all you want but don't force this nonsense upon us.

CaiWenji · September 23

I love Cyrodiil but do NOT like Vengeance. They make it the only campaign option and now I will just not play because it now has no incentives. If I wanted to play a game with no preparation nor creativity required I would play Fortnite or Apex Legends where everything is premade for the player.

blktauna · September 23

WHOA I didn't know it was up. CU in Cyro

propertyOfUndefined · September 23

I've never really enjoyed Cyrodiil -- battlegrounds have always been more my thing. They're fun, organized, and bite-sized. I can step away from conference calls while working from home and squeeze in a match or two.

That said, if Cyrodiil was my thing, I'd definitely be upset at the idea of Vengeance replacing the current mode. One of the reasons I enjoy ESO more than other MMOs is that it feels like it actually lets me 'play the way I want.' I can create builds that are fun, unique, and really feel like me. Vengeance would take that freedom away, and for me, that would ruin what makes ESO special.

Just my 2 cents...

reazea · September 23

CaiWenji wrote: »

I love Cyrodiil but do NOT like Vengeance. They make it the only campaign option and now I will just not play because it now has no incentives. If I wanted to play a game with no preparation nor creativity required I would play Fortnite or Apex Legends where everything is premade for the player.

Same. No Cyrodiil for me until next Tuesday, after vengeance is over.

ZOS isn't even offering any kind of reward for us while forcing vengeance as the only option to play.

(oh right, according to the vengeance lovers ZOS will never force vengeance on us....even though that's exactly what they are doing right now)

moderatelyfatman · September 23

I love how ZOS absolutely refuse to let players know what the pop cap is for Cyrodiil, as if it is some state secret.
We should try to find out by having an entire guild log into Cyrodiil when it is zero bars and see how many get in before there is a queue.