How do you feel "no self healing DPS" as healer?

AvalonRanger · September 7

No offence, just curiosity. If you're experienced healer, then tell your impression against
no self healing DPS.

Ph1p · September 7

DD #1: "Why are you voting to kick me?"
Healer: "You're not healing yourself."
DD #1: "Isn't that your job as the healer?"
Healer: "I only heal good DDs."
DD #1: "But I do all mechanics and only die during the heal check."
Healer: "I only heal elite-level super cannons."
DD #1: "But I'll do even less damage if I slot a heal."
DD #2: "And how do you even select who to ..."
Tank: "I always kick DDs who don't debuff enemies."
DD #1: "What is going on here?"
Healer: "Get rekt, tiny gun DPS!"
Cut to DD #1 waking up from their nightmare

fizl101 · September 7

I had an accidental click there, my option isnt in your list, which isheal all of them and not put constraints on it

LunaFlora · September 7

i still heal them,
but if i die due to fake tanks or mechanics not being followed by the group then the Damage Dealers without heals might die before they can resurrect me (which they sometimes neglect to do anyways) and then the whole group dies one by one.

it has happened a lot

TybaltKaine · September 7

I don't care if a DD doesn't have a self-heal. It's my job as a healer to heal them, regardless of how much damage they are doing or not doing.

Are there times when I have to slot a few damage skills to help out? Yeah, it happens, but not everyone is doing insane numbers, and you don't know who is running a dungeon for the first time.

I try to treat every run like it's a Vet hard mode Trial and heal as if I'm going for a no death run, cause that's my job, not to judge people or make them feel bad for not hitting certain numbers or having certain skills.

We all start somewhere, and if I have the privilege of being the first healer a person ever runs with, I want them to have a good run and a good time.

AvalonRanger · September 7

Ph1p wrote: »

DD #1: "Why are you voting to kick me?"
Healer: "You're not healing yourself."
DD #1: "Isn't that your job as the healer?"
Healer: "I only heal good DDs."
DD #1: "But I do all mechanics and only die during the heal check."
Healer: "I only heal elite-level super cannons."
DD #1: "But I'll do even less damage if I slot a heal."
DD #2: "And how do you even select who to ..."
Tank: "I always kick DDs who don't debuff enemies."
DD #1: "What is going on here?"
Healer: "Get rekt, tiny gun DPS!"
Cut to DD #1 waking up from their nightmare

Well....no offense（LoL), but this is the best answer.

the1andonlyskwex · September 7

I may have misunderstood the options. I prefer when DDs don't have heals. I've had far too many situations where the DDs in my party are built like healers (and spamming radiating regeneration) and we fail DPS checks as a result.

Soarora · September 7

I don’t see an option for “I prefer them to not self heal”. Its your job as a healer to heal them, they don’t need to have a self heal. They usually shouldn’t.

That said, I hate healing and one of the signs that I ignored is that I would get frustrated DPS wouldn’t just heal themselves.

AvalonRanger · September 7

Honestly say, most of skillful DD know about best position to take effective healing.

So they keep positioning opposite side of the tank, and can do emergency escape
If they find dangerous AoE...

But most of wrong DD keep standing too much far from team member, and
keep kiting dangerous foe by "alone"(you're not tank, right?).

I can't do such a super wide range healing by solo healer.

Each time I join 12men trial group with another healer, then I notice other healer
was doing lazy job...

AvalonRanger · September 7

Ph1p wrote: »

DD #1: "Why are you voting to kick me?"
Healer: "You're not healing yourself."
DD #1: "Isn't that your job as the healer?"
Healer: "I only heal good DDs."
DD #1: "But I do all mechanics and only die during the heal check."
Healer: "I only heal elite-level super cannons."
DD #1: "But I'll do even less damage if I slot a heal."
DD #2: "And how do you even select who to ..."
Tank: "I always kick DDs who don't debuff enemies."
DD #1: "What is going on here?"
Healer: "Get rekt, tiny gun DPS!"
Cut to DD #1 waking up from their nightmare

DD #1: "But I do all mechanics and only die during the heal check."

Tank: "But you couldn't deal effective damage also....right?".
"Why tank should do damage job also?"
Healer: "My magika is not only your health potion. But I'm doing it for all my team."

So...kicked

Araneae6537 · September 8

That’s my job! Of course, there are mechanics that DPS need to mind as there are many things that can’t be healed through, but so long as they’re where they need to be (not in stupid but also not far far away), I’ve got them covered! Rather, I expect DPS to not have a self-heal unless they need to do an independent mechanic (shelve books in Scriveners’ Hall, portals in trials, etc.), although I certainly don’t fault PUGs for slotting a heal just in case.

Katzenzunge · September 8

Did I get frustrated sometimes with DD's in a pug? Yes.
Would I ever even think about initating a kick for...one of the reasons you posted?
Absolutely not.

I don't think we should think this hard about more potential to gatekeep or exclude people.

No heal? We can manage. Vigor slotted? Cool, same. Some heals slotted? I'd rather you do damage, but whatever.

I did even see one DD use a resto staff, just blasting away with it until i asked wth they're on about. But still didn't try to kick them.

valenwood_vegan · September 8

So much concern about how other people play. If the content in question is so difficult that a dps slotting vigor instead of an extra damage skill is actually a concern, it may be better to find a coordinated group.

peacenote · September 8

fizl101 wrote: »

I had an accidental click there, my option isnt in your list, which isheal all of them and not put constraints on it

This would be my answer as well.

If I am in group content that clearly requires the DPS to have a self-heal due to mechanics and too many of them don't, such that we clearly won't be successful, at some point I may pull the "sorry, last try me for me" card, but I'd keep healing everyone until politely bowing out.

The only thing that truly offends me as an experienced healer is when people go into group content and don't remove the Ring of the Pale Order. I'm a healer, I want to heal you, please be respectful and don't wear something that keeps me from fulfilling my purpose. Obviously sometimes people will forget to take it off by mistake, but I'm talking about folks who do it on purpose.

DocFrost72 · September 8

For me, half the fun of playing a healer is to make my team feel invincible. It always feels good when I can see the difference in confidence while I'm buffing and healing.

-Support main in every game.

El_Borracho · September 9

If I'm running a pug as a DD, I am definitely running a self-heal.

Kappachi · September 9

As healer main the only thing I dislike is when party members are wearing the Ring of the Pale Order. Self-Heal, no self-heal, doesn't matter, but for the love of god do not wear the Ring of the Pale Order, especially against bosses. Most of the times I bring it up someone will take it off which is nice, but there are people who don't remove it even after being notified of it, those people die and then sometimes leave as a result when it's no fault of the healer.

One round I had a tank whose second bar was all healing abilities w/ resto staff though, that irked me a bit since I'm an Oakensoul healer and can't exactly change my build on my fly, was left doing practically nothing, and then that tank ended up randomly leaving at one point too... I don't like if a char is completely suited to using like a full bar of healing abilities, but regular self-heal on a couple or more abilities that also have offensive function or 1-2 pure heal abilities is fine.

Coo_PnT · September 28

If I were a DPS, I would always bring my own heal as insurance.
If the healer or tank spills coffee on the keyboard, there is a chance I can manage.
Of course, if the healer tells me that self-healing is not necessary and to focus on DPS, I will gladly do so.

Jaimeh · September 28

I get offended as a healer if a dps is using heals or a shield, especially in easier content, they are wasting a slot and a GCD. Joking aside, I do get the need for insurance, especially in random groups, but if there's a full fledged healer doing their job well, and a DD is still wasting casts to heal, it's not the most efficient play, imo.

MidniteOwl1913 · September 29

A healer should expect that the DPS doesn't have a self-heal. Else why bother to have a healer at all? It annoys me when I see DPS healing, that's my job.

Also that's a skill slot that not providing damage, hurting the entire group.

Why wasn't "DPS shouldn't have to have a self-heal" included in the poll?

gwenthebard · November 4

This is situational for me as I rarely get in groups with a bad attitude DD, which is generally the only time I'll vote to kick someone.
As far as it goes I'll heal everyone. I tend to have area effect heals on anyway which does not make it an issue.
If it does however get to a point where I have to prioritize a tank during a boss I'll let the DD die if they can't dodge it or get into the "Safety circle".

reazea · November 4

It totally depends on the situation. If pugging easier dungeons, even on vet, then the healer should have one bar of dps and be able to help with dps. If running in a fixed group of known players then it's most likely better if the healer only heals and wears healing only sets.

mdjessup4906 · November 4

If your pugging as a dps, not wearing a self heal is asking for it. If the healer turns out to actually be good/real, then I'll either take it off or just not use it. One wasted skill slot isn't gonna destroy your dps. Or at least, it shouldn't.

preevious · November 7

I seldom play heal ..

But as long as the dd isn't jumping recklessly inside AoEs, a healer's gotta heal.

As a group-content DPS, though, I don't heal myself. Common sense and a competent healer are enough to keep me alive.
It's not that hard to stay between tank and heal.

Orbital78 · November 13

As a dps I almost always try to prepare for the worst when pugging and have some sort of self survival. Some of my builds can pretty much be a healer or backup without the buffs/debuffs.

As a healer, if I blink and they die. It is what it is, lower CP in vet don't have full passives yet and tend to take more damage. Also if they tend to stand behind me or run around in a panic, it kind of is what it is.

AvalonRanger · 00:56

As a healer, I don't like people who are not tank keep kiting dangerous foe far from me in the 12 player trial.
I don't want to lose my magika pool for direct healing of too much distanced ranged target always.

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