Think bolt escape will be nerfed?

NordJitsu · May 2014

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

The point is that the Counters exist. They can easily be specced into and they're good for a lot more than just stopping Bolt Escapers.

If you're hard headed and refuse to change your build, then don't catch Bolt Escapers.

Again, them running way is doing you no harm. Running away is not OP. You've won at that point. They've left the battle.

Niffo · May 2014

LadyChaos wrote: »

Then YOU cannot counter if YOU are not willing to change as you just said. I adapted to be able to use it at the level I do and still be able to kill things. You get 5 abilities + 1 ult. You're not supposed to be able to counter everything as 1 player.

The things that kick my ass work very effectively and apparently plenty of people are willing to work those things into their build otherwise I've never die. I die just as much as everyone else in every group I join, more so in a lot of cases because of some of my bolt techniques. You're just not willing to see them more than the payer that gets away from you.

I specifically have my entire primary bar just to counter things that like to kill me, specifically for DKs & Vamps. That's my choice, yours is you refuse to counter my type of build. No problem stop blaming 1 spell for that failing, be happy you counter other builds well and leave those who counter mine to handle me.

Not one of those counters actually stops Bolt Escape, they're a minor inconvenience. Every ability needs a hard counter, something that stops it cold, stun does not slow them down, it makes it easier for them to get away since they're now immune to all control. Abilities that make you run faster do not compare in the least bit to Bolt Escape, you can say they're on the same level all you want but they aren't.

This is only repetitive because you guys are bringing the same crap counters that don't stop anything. You can run just Bolt Escape and be completely combat effective.

LadyChaos · May 2014

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

Then YOU cannot counter if YOU are not willing to change as you just said. I adapted to be able to use it at the level I do and still be able to kill things. You get 5 abilities + 1 ult. You're not supposed to be able to counter everything as 1 player.

The things that kick my ass work very effectively and apparently plenty of people are willing to work those things into their build otherwise I've never die. I die just as much as everyone else in every group I join, more so in a lot of cases because of some of my bolt techniques. You're just not willing to see them more than the payer that gets away from you.

I specifically have my entire primary bar just to counter things that like to kill me, specifically for DKs & Vamps. That's my choice, yours is you refuse to counter my type of build. No problem stop blaming 1 spell for that failing, be happy you counter other builds well and leave those who counter mine to handle me.

Not one of those counters actually stops Bolt Escape, they're a minor inconvenience. Every ability needs a hard counter, something that stops it cold, stun does not slow them down, it makes it easier for them to get away since they're now immune to all control. Abilities that make you run faster do not compare in the least bit to Bolt Escape, you can say they're on the same level all you want but they aren't.

This is only repetitive because you guys are bringing the same crap counters that don't stop anything. You can run just Bolt Escape and be completely combat effective.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf. It is an open line available to all and it's faster than bolt and more reliable and untargetable with other bonuses. Until you can't catch me with mist you cannot say bolt is OP for it's speed/spam ability. It's like claiming Templars are OP for their heals, when you can heal with a resto.

and if we are talking about inconveniences... a bolt is just an inconvenience if you are just trying to catch them. They are just fleeing, inconvenient. There you have it. We inconvenience you, and the counters in your mind are just inconveniences for us. Guess were done.

SilverWF · May 2014

bolt escape must be nerfed with increased cost in 2 times.

Niffo · May 2014

LadyChaos wrote: »

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf. It is an open line available to all and it's faster than bolt and more reliable and untargetable with other bonuses. Until you can't catch me with mist you cannot say bolt is OP for it's speed/spam ability. It's like claiming Templars are OP for their heals, when you can heal with a resto.

and if we are talking about inconveniences... a bolt is just an inconvenience if you are just trying to catch them. They are just fleeing, inconvenient. There you have it. We inconvenience you, and the counters in your mind are just inconveniences for us. Guess were done.

You probably aren't playing properly if an ability with 30% movement speed increase is catching up to you moving 15 meters every half second or so, are you stopping to go afk inbetween casts of bolt? If you are seriously being caught by people that are using mist then the problem is with you, bolt moves significantly faster and having access to mist form means you get a 50% increase to the most prevalent damage type in the game. So you have huge downsides to yet another counter, that doesn't even counter the ability.

Being able to engage and disengage from fights at your choosing does not inconvenience me, it creates an imbalance with the game as a whole.

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

Probably - there are a lot of people calling for Bolt Escape to be nerfed such that it can't be used to escape a battle at all.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf.

I'm calling shenanigans!

Considering the 1.0.7 nerf broke the speed increase for Mist Form so that it doesn't increase your speed at all you're almost certainly lying.

Aimelin · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Probably - there are a lot of people calling for Bolt Escape to be nerfed such that it can't be used to escape a battle at all.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf.

I'm calling shenanigans!

MIST FORM SPEED INCREASE IS BROKEN NOW - SO THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTRUN YOU.

the speed increase isn't broken, its been nerfed. welcome to patch 1.0.7

Milky · May 2014

I firmly believe it will be changed so people can't spam it to escape from all their problems. I hope the change will still offer skilled players the opportunity to get out of dodge... but to penalize people who are completely out of position and deserving of their death.

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

Aimelin wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Probably - there are a lot of people calling for Bolt Escape to be nerfed such that it can't be used to escape a battle at all.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf.

I'm calling shenanigans!

MIST FORM SPEED INCREASE IS BROKEN NOW - SO THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTRUN YOU.

the speed increase isn't broken, its been nerfed. welcome to patch 1.0.7

Yes, it is broken. You'll noticed I mentioned that the nerf patch broke it.

It's been confirmed not to give ANY speed increase, i.e., it does not give the 30% speed increase it's supposed to. It was nerfed down from 52% to 30%. Not to 0%.

Therefore, it is broken.

If you'd read what I wrote you'd notice I'm aware of the nerf and that that's not what I'm talking about.

Niffo · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Probably - there are a lot of people calling for Bolt Escape to be nerfed such that it can't be used to escape a battle at all.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf.

I'm calling shenanigans!

MIST FORM SPEED INCREASE IS BROKEN NOW - SO THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTRUN YOU.

the speed increase isn't broken, its been nerfed. welcome to patch 1.0.7

Yes, it is broken. You'll noticed I mentioned that the nerf patch broke it.

It's been confirmed not to give ANY speed increase, i.e., it does not give the 30% speed increase it's supposed to.

Therefore, it is broken.

Good to know that Lady Chaos is actually just terrible, being caught by people moving at normal run speed while she abuses bolt escape.

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Probably - there are a lot of people calling for Bolt Escape to be nerfed such that it can't be used to escape a battle at all.

Mist still outruns me... even after nerf.

I'm calling shenanigans!

MIST FORM SPEED INCREASE IS BROKEN NOW - SO THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTRUN YOU.

the speed increase isn't broken, its been nerfed. welcome to patch 1.0.7

Yes, it is broken. You'll noticed I mentioned that the nerf patch broke it.

It's been confirmed not to give ANY speed increase, i.e., it does not give the 30% speed increase it's supposed to.

Therefore, it is broken.

Good to know that Lady Chaos is actually just terrible, being caught by people moving at normal run speed while she abuses bolt escape.

Bingo.

LadyChaos · May 2014

call shenanigans all you want that ass was yelled at in /zone for outrunning us... ask him what his spec was but when I was in range to receive his maneuvers I saw, maneuvers, mist mist, he lost me on my full speed horse.

You can try turn into being bad all you want... if I'm so bad why I need a nerf ?

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

LadyChaos wrote: »

call shenanigans all you want that ass was yelled at in /zone for outrunning us... ask him what his spec was but when I was in range to receive his maneuvers I saw, maneuvers, mist mist, he lost me on my full speed horse.

You can try turn into being bad all you want... if I'm so bad why I need a nerf ?

Doesn't matter what his spec is. Elusive Mist does not give any speed benefit at all. It's broken as of the 1.0.7 patch.

So stop whining about Mist Form, because that's not what let that guy outrun you.

LadyChaos · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

call shenanigans all you want that ass was yelled at in /zone for outrunning us... ask him what his spec was but when I was in range to receive his maneuvers I saw, maneuvers, mist mist, he lost me on my full speed horse.

You can try turn into being bad all you want... if I'm so bad why I need a nerf ?

Doesn't matter what his spec is. Elusive Mist does not give any speed benefit at all. It's broken as of the 1.0.7 patch.

So stop whining about Mist Form, because that's not what let that guy outrun you.

soooo someone was faster based on synergies... and I made an opinion based on what I saw alone... sound familar... nerf Orcs??

Niffo · May 2014

LadyChaos wrote: »

call shenanigans all you want that ass was yelled at in /zone for outrunning us... ask him what his spec was but when I was in range to receive his maneuvers I saw, maneuvers, mist mist, he lost me on my full speed horse.

You can try turn into being bad all you want... if I'm so bad why I need a nerf ?

You're bad because you rely so heavily on 1 single ability you're defending it like your life is in danger. That is why you're bad. Bolt Escape will get rebalnced, its not a question of if, but when. Not one counter you guys have listed is valid since it can be easily countered without having to use any additional abilities, just Bolt Escape, Dodge, or Stun break.