Think bolt escape will be nerfed?

bantad87

Oblongship wrote: »

345zac_ESO wrote: »

I am thinking of rolling a sorc simply because of bolt escape in PVP. It would be a waste of time and effort if I leveled him and bolt escape just got nerfed, So, you guys think it will be nerfed?

I can say with 100% certainty it is being nerfed.

Your source, please?

Ltownatrain

Zaldoras wrote: »

The only nerf I can see coming is that using it causes you to drop the scroll, and it should.

^ This. I also think that the cloak ability with NB should make them drop the scroll (and I am a NB and yes I know you can still see it on the compass) because it allows for too much abuse.

Thechemicals

It wont be nerfed but the scroll will drop when you spam it.

Oblongship

bantad87 wrote: »

Oblongship wrote: »

345zac_ESO wrote: »

I am thinking of rolling a sorc simply because of bolt escape in PVP. It would be a waste of time and effort if I leveled him and bolt escape just got nerfed, So, you guys think it will be nerfed?

I can say with 100% certainty it is being nerfed.

Your source, please?

I laugh when people try this.

mcatchlovb16_ESO

It's already been nerfed a couple times. You should have seen it before

crislevin

Lets nerf dragon blood, and gap closer, shall we?

Kaskako

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

beravinprb19_ESO

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

False. As has been pointed out a number of times, Bolt Escape can be used offensively as well as defensively. That, and only a bad or underleveled player will die during the duration of a single stun. Besides, breaking out of a stun is not all that difficult to do...

drwoody44b14_ESO

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

False. As has been pointed out a number of times, Bolt Escape can be used offensively as well as defensively. That, and only a bad or underleveled player will die during the duration of a single stun. Besides, breaking out of a stun is not all that difficult to do...

It is when you can only do it once or twice before you're out of stam

Niffo

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

xDonMega

IF WE CRY LOUD ENOUGH ANYTHING CAN GET NERFED

NordJitsu

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application.

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

You continually show how little you know about this game, this skill, or mechanics in general. You are wrong. Bolting through a blocking target will not stun them.

Go test it.

Learn to play and stop speaking out of ignorance. Do yourself a favor, just learn the game. Please. It will make thing more enjoyable for you.

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application.

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

You continually show how little you know about this game, this skill, or mechanics in general. You are wrong. Bolting through a blocking target will not stun them.

Go test it.

Learn to play and stop speaking out of ignorance. Do yourself a favor, just learn the game. Please. It will make thing more enjoyable for you.

So what you're saying is, the guild member that bolts through blocking targets stunning them, is not doing it with Bolt Escape? So hes a liar and hes somehow faking what is happening in game. Keep the insults rolling.

NordJitsu

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

What I'm telling you is that what you've written is factually and demonstrably untrue.

Blocking will stop the stun from being applied as long as the opponent has sufficient stamina to perform the block.

I'm not insulting you. You're literally speaking out of ignorance. That's not intended to be mean.

ig·no·rance noun \ˈig-n(ə-)rən(t)s\
: a lack of knowledge, understanding, or education : the state of being ignorant

You simply lack knowledge about the game. Its why I've been trying to explain things to you.

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

What I'm telling you is that what you've written is factually and demonstrably untrue.

Blocking will stop the stun from being applied as long as the opponent has sufficient stamina to perform the block.

I'm not insulting you. You're literally speaking out of ignorance. That's not intended to be mean.

ig·no·rance noun \ˈig-n(ə-)rən(t)s\
: a lack of knowledge, understanding, or education : the state of being ignorant

You simply lack knowledge about the game. Its why I've been trying to explain things to you.

I'm not ignorant, you're saying my guild members that have been playing Sorcerer from beta up to now, is not doing what hes doing with Bolt Escape? I don't have to have direct experience with the class, since I have plenty of people in the guild playing the class that are doing exactly what you say they can't do? You are trying so hard to defend your broken ability, its incredibly sad how many people want to keep their overpowered skills just so they can have things easier.

Aimelin

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

Lickyo

funny, i could say the same thing about mist form but it was still nerfed^

NordJitsu

Aimelin wrote: »

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

QFT.

This is really all that needs to be said.

Bad players are crying because they failed to kill someone.

Good players are trying to explain the game to them.

Bad players continue to cry because they're stubborn and unwilling to learn.

Niffo

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

NordJitsu

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

In my continued effort to help you learn the game, you should know that the Templar ability Channeling Focus is bugged on live but has been fixed on the 1.1 patch on the PTS.

It is now the Templar's best source of magicka sustain and also gives you great sustain (through armor and spell resistance buffs.)

AlMcFly

345zac_ESO wrote: »

THINK BOLT ESCAPE WILL BE NERFED?

Yep.

Kypho

since so many asked for it, im sure it will be adjusted in negative way. i dont really care if anyone escaping, just dont come back lol. Its just so lame that 3+ ppl trying to kill a poor one guy. no point in cyrodill exept the lame kill quest. There are higher priorities. And i love how sorcs escaping lame 3+ ganksquads and failing in chase. Ganksquads are the worst ppl in game(not the worst. worst are ppl who abusing broken bash and broken reduction stacking). They never engage in 1:1 odds, only killing 1 and going to hide. What a great players.....
So imo, dont change bolt escape....

Aimelin

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

Yep a new sorc enters ..... hiiiiiiiii

Templars have 0 magicka management? maybe you're clueless about this, most templars, despite being full healer or not, run resto staff & sword/shield.
ok so resto staff, at the end of heavy attack you gain 10% magicka, omg magicka management ! then theres MP potions, hi management, then theres the mix of light & heavy armor, again passive magicka management !!! omg

and you haven't seen a NB 100-1 someone in mere seconds? ill deem you lucky then, caus it is possible, again if you actually read the skills & morphs, and no they don't need mark target

*Edit*

this is a pvp game where you have to decide what skills & synergies you take with you on the battlefield, resulting in you not always being able to counter something..... though luck? adapt? take some other skills? why should we suffer your QQ and nerf cries when you can just take a couple other skills with you ....

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

In my continued effort to help you learn the game, you should know that the Templar ability Channeling Focus is bugged on live but has been fixed on the 1.1 patch on the PTS.

It is now the Templar's best source of magicka sustain and also gives you great sustain (through armor and spell resistance buffs.)

Wonderful, so an ability that pretty much requires me to stand in place in a game where mobility is absolutey crucial is now working properly, oh joy. Unless it restores a significant amount of magicka which it probably doesn't since its a Templar ability not a Sorc or DK one, it will not be worth using outside of PvE. Were you in the CBT? If you were it would explain so much.

LadyChaos

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

If you want sorcerers to build your bar for you, determine what armor you wear.. by all means tell us what we SHOULD slot for defenses. WE are fine with our builds, YOU are not. Who slots bound + lightning for starters... It's usually one or the other. If you think that's a great build I think you understand game mechanics even less than before.

It is a shame the other necessary points you made for fixing other issues are completely lost because of all the tears over a -working as intended- ability.

How about more energy into fixing the stuff that's broken, less into nerf things I can't/don't want to counter.

You want us to be countered with what you already have on your bar. He hit it on the head. YOU don't want to adapt, so you want the game to adapt for you.

NordJitsu

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

Yup. Psjic Order tester here. Which is why I understand the game so much better than you do.

Aimelin

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

If you want sorcerers to build your bar for you, determine what armor you wear.. by all means tell us what we SHOULD slot for defenses. WE are fine with our builds, YOU are not. Who slots bound + lightning for starters... It's usually one or the other. If you think that's a great build I think you understand game mechanics even less than before.

It is a shame the other necessary points you made for fixing other issues are completely lost because of all the tears over a -working as intended- ability.

How about more energy into fixing the stuff that's broken, less into nerf things I can't/don't want to counter.

You want us to be countered with what you already have on your bar. He hit it on the head. YOU don't want to adapt, so you want the game to adapt for you.

I love this guy / girl !

Exactly what everyone is trying to say here, but they don't want to listen or learn or adapt, so qq nerf option goes into tunnel vision

Niffo

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

If you want sorcerers to build your bar for you, determine what armor you wear.. by all means tell us what we SHOULD slot for defenses. WE are fine with our builds, YOU are not. Who slots bound + lightning for starters... It's usually one or the other. If you think that's a great build I think you understand game mechanics even less than before.

It is a shame the other necessary points you made for fixing other issues are completely lost because of all the tears over a -working as intended- ability.

How about more energy into fixing the stuff that's broken, less into nerf things I can't/don't want to counter.

You want us to be countered with what you already have on your bar. He hit it on the head. YOU don't want to adapt, so you want the game to adapt for you.

I'm perfectly fine with adapting, what I am not fine with is having to sacrifice gear/passives/ability slots and still not be comparable to 1 ability on a class. You can make it out to L2P issue, a lack of knowledge issue, or just general laziness, it won't change that Bolt Escape is too powerful in its current state.

LadyChaos

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

Aimelin wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Kaskako wrote: »

The way bolt escape works is just stupid. There really is no way people can defend against this fact. Either increase the cost with each use or something, its ridiculous that after using it infinitely sorcerers are still able to fight normally like nothing happened, while those that attempt to chase them end up out of stamina, magicka or both.

Defending against something would imply that its offensive in nature. Thats like saying how do I defend myself against someone who is healing themselves.

Bolt Escape is a 100% defensive move for a class that can be killed by a dk/nb before they're able to stand up after being spamming with knockdowns/stuns

You can Bolt Escape through a blocking target and they will be stunned by it, that is offensive application. You can bolt after a runner to catch them, again offensive. Sorcerers have Lightning Armour gives 1750 armour/spell resist, they also have Bound Armour give 800-875 armour. Just because you ignore the defensive buffs you have doesn't mean they don't exist.

Ok, first of all, again as others have stated, it is called ESCAPE for a reason, they didn't name it BOLT CHARGE THE FRICK IN.

Second of all, it is easy to kill sorcs while they bolt escape, hit em with a ranged knockdown the moment they get out of the skill, not that hard to time, use the bow poison skill thats morphed to stun casters, as it is a spell they are casting, use the destructive staff skill Crushing Shock, to stun targets that are casting.
Now you'll say, but i don't want to be forced to have to put those skills on my bar, well thats your choice, too bad, deal with it? we put bolt escape on our bar(s), we also sacrifice a skill slot, for something like a dmg spell or a spell that gives us a shield or armor..... so you're saying sure sacrifice that skills lot but we'll nerf the skill so you wont have any chance of surviving. Besides, and you may not believe it, i only use bolt escape in a strategic, tactical way, but yea, you'll just read im another sorc and start QQ again

Third, why are you bringing up lightning armor & bound armor? Half the sorcs dont even use those skills, and if they do, whats it have to do with every noob in here crying about bolt escape?

if you wanna cry like lil wow lovers to get everything nerfed and handed to you untill you can kill people while you sit on your fat ass in pvp not even trying, then dont just cry about sorcs, or one skill in particular.

Cry about DKs .... green dragon blood spam, talons, dragonknight standard, that other rediculous ult that lets them tank 500 people and take no dmg, Templars healing overpowered, nightblades can 100-1 ppl in seconds if played right, shield bash lovers

cry about it all then or learn to adapt & invent ways to counter things, don't just come in here OMG QQ SORC GOT AWAY FROM ME WAAAAAAA NERF BOLT ESCAPE I WANT TO KILL HIM, caus plenty of people know how to deal with it, if you don't, hmmmmm what does that tell you

too bad, even a good sorc will still own you if you don't learn to adapt to ***.

And a new Sorcerer enters the arena. The Sorcerer I was responding to stated they were incredibly squishy, I listed the class abilities that are available to alleviate the squishiness.

Here we go with more exaggerating posts by Sorcerers, everyone knows DKs are overpowered. Templars have 0 magicka management options, so they can cast a few heals and then they're spent. Nightblades getting someone 100-1 "if played right" is something I have never seen happen, the only way a Nightblade can do enough damage to blow someone up that fast is using Mark Target which telegraphs the entire burst and is countered by casting a cleanse while blocking.

You guys can rage in your posts all you want, it will not make you right.

If you want sorcerers to build your bar for you, determine what armor you wear.. by all means tell us what we SHOULD slot for defenses. WE are fine with our builds, YOU are not. Who slots bound + lightning for starters... It's usually one or the other. If you think that's a great build I think you understand game mechanics even less than before.

It is a shame the other necessary points you made for fixing other issues are completely lost because of all the tears over a -working as intended- ability.

How about more energy into fixing the stuff that's broken, less into nerf things I can't/don't want to counter.

You want us to be countered with what you already have on your bar. He hit it on the head. YOU don't want to adapt, so you want the game to adapt for you.

I'm perfectly fine with adapting, what I am not fine with is having to sacrifice gear/passives/ability slots and still not be comparable to 1 ability on a class. You can make it out to L2P issue, a lack of knowledge issue, or just general laziness, it won't change that Bolt Escape is too powerful in its current state.

Then YOU cannot counter if YOU are not willing to change as you just said. I adapted to be able to use it at the level I do and still be able to kill things. You get 5 abilities + 1 ult. You're not supposed to be able to counter everything as 1 player.

The things that kick my ass work very effectively and apparently plenty of people are willing to work those things into their build otherwise I've never die. I die just as much as everyone else in every group I join, more so in a lot of cases because of some of my bolt techniques. You're just not willing to see them more than the payer that gets away from you.

I specifically have my entire primary bar just to counter things that like to kill me, specifically for DKs & Vamps. That's my choice, yours is you refuse to counter my type of build. No problem stop blaming 1 spell for that failing, be happy you counter other builds well and leave those who counter mine to handle me.