Defending a keep when they break through the wall currently costs you a LOT of AP points. I say this because the best way I've seen to stop a vamp when they mist in through the wall is by placing sorcery mercs in front of you. Get a few people to drop a few each and then stand above them on stairs with ranged weapons/spells. I dropped a vr3 vamp last night with the help of mercs, NO chance outside of that.

PvP should be about balance, Bat Swarm is not balanced and there is no real counter for that with each class. There is no balance when it comes to vamps, there just isn't nerf or no nerf.

I've seen comments on this board where even some of the vamps here have said they feel sorry for the insta deaths they give and WW... I feel sorry for anyone that decided to become a WW as that class is nerfed to begin with.

I don't think the vamp nerf is going to solve the vamp issue either. Yeah it's a start but balance to me means that any class at the same level 'should' have the path's and skill lines to combat any other class. This isn't the case.

More balance is required.

Oh, and this isn't about me either. I chose a NB with a bow, and while I might be handy in PvE it's a hard slog in PvP and not really effective, my top tiers are pretty awful compared to other builds, but that's okay. I know this and I live with it, it just means I die a lot. LOL!

What annoys me is vamps coming into a keep, misting through and killing single handedly 20-30 players, and then bat swarming any stragglers, usually the templar tanks are the last to die.

smokes wrote: »

however, i believe that the fighters guild ability circle of protection morphed into turn undead should put an end to this vampire feeding frenzy - however i have not tested it yet.

this evening, i will be setting forth into cyrodiil with turn undead on my action bar (it's supposed to fear undead and daedra for 4 seconds instantly on cast) if that doesn't break this crazy ultimate spam of batswarm, i honestly have no idea what will

I tested this tonight - and it did not appear to do anything to them- I did not see a single vamp player feared when I dropped the circle. Whether that's by design, or whether it's a bug and in fact, it should be fearing them, I can't say.

About the werewolf thing they are are aware its under performing and are looking into it, in the meantime they are planning on reducing the ultimate cost apparently.

Though they didn't give the time like the start of the vampire fixing.

Thats called skill... 100 bats no cooldown totally intended by Zenimax.. I want 7 days play time reimbursed. PVP has and will be broken until Zenimax gives a crap. First off, it takes 15 seconds to disable a skill. Bat swarm should be disabled JUST LIKE GUILD BANK until it is fixed.

Not very hard devs, even the *** pressing R could do it... but maybe pressing R for batswarm is more difficult.

Stop disagreeing with leewells... Seriously, stop going into a 360.. He has the votes of agree's..he has the majority on his side... Get lost Edward.

AshTal wrote: »

My guess is the only people who don't think Vampire is OP are the Vampires who spam bat swarm 10 times in a battle (stacking it) escapre everything in mist form because its not like have needed magic in the battle thanks to bat swarm - or the person behind them collecting 40-100 kills every battle.
Currently none of the PvE bugs or other issues have done as much damage to this game than the Vampire exploit in PvP I am sure all the other MMO's designers are laughing their heads off at this screw up and the angry customers this has generated.

I really don't think the current change (can't even call it a nerf) will be sufficient. All I can say is if you see a Vamp exploiting report him. Maybe when they get 1000's of reports on these guys they might do something about it... I doubt it but we can only hope.

/Report? Sorry that doesn't work.. I report all of these people and I see them night in and night out. I stopped PVPing because of this nonsense.

The developers who made bat swarm without checks and balances should go back to their other jobs.

I am convinced that someone from the vamp development team is either A. an EMO or B. really likes twilight.

In my business, if I received this many complaints about a group of individuals their asses would be fired long ago.

terrible, terrible design and imbalance. FIX THIS!!!! NOW!!!

leewells wrote: »

I've also mentioned a few times that FG abilities do not work as described. All the newbs here say use bolts, when in fact any vamp with reflect up will return every bolt you fire and the 2% proc isn't worth the stamina when they're spamming talons on you.

One of the biggest issues is bat swarm stacking and invisibility while casting still -- it is full ***. I saw yesterday one vamp (which I've reported) one-shot an entire 40 man (organized) raid -- one... shot... Looking at combatlog, everyone, whithin one second is hit some 100 times by bats.

I still find Silver Bolts useful - it's not 100%, but I probably knock down vampire PCs more often than not, including v10s.

Fortunately, today's patch takes care of the bat swarm stacking (along with a couple other tweaks). We'll see how things play out soon!

Gervis wrote: »

So you show a horrible video with *** music, expect people to watch the first 11 mins then all it is is a 1hd and shield vamp just blocking while dum asses try and fight him in mele and then he just waffle pawns them. If you leave after this then you I think you have made the game better because you suck ***. and qq about anything you cant 1 button win.

^ Clown

Gervis wrote: »

So you show a horrible video with *** music, expect people to watch the first 11 mins then all it is is a 1hd and shield vamp just blocking while dum asses try and fight him in mele and then he just waffle pawns them. If you leave after this then you I think you have made the game better because you suck ***. and qq about anything you cant 1 button win.

Well lookie there, seems like we're complaining about the same thing, "1 button win"... LOL 1 button win... Like vamps one button win with ult?

Napkins wrote: »

Let me get this straight. You're guild is leaving a game because everything isn't balanced right out of the gate?
You guys must not ever make it past the first 1-2 months of all nw mmo's. Seriously though, some games it takes YEARS for pvp to be somewhat balanced.
Sounds like you guys should avoid mmo's all together imo.

Balanced... no, I don't think balance is an issue -- broken is a better word. Thankfully this patch today seems to have fixed a LOT of issues, which means we should get 100+ people back into PVP

lol because of major nerf to vamp I think they will cause more then several thousand people to quit

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

lol because of major nerf to vamp I think they will cause more then several thousand people to quit

Another clown.

leewells wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

There was so much clutter on that screen. How do people tell what is going on?

Besides... what about using fire against these Vamps?


nvmd... I was so distracted by that video and all the junk flashing up on the HUD, I forgot what topic I was in.

LadyChaos wrote: »

Utherix wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

Because of the whole repeatable quest thing I kinda chalked first 90 days up to experimentation, I haven't expected it to be fair until next iteration TBH, but it's notable.

Right, so who cares about leaderboards in the first matchup? Games new, not everyone is max level, and tons of exploiters. There's no way to make it accurate so close to launch. I'd bet money that you won't see most of these people even in the top 100 in the next matchup. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw all support players topping the leadboards next reset.