ESO: BC of VAMP, You've caused more than 100 in my guild to QUIT

Utherix

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

LadyChaos

Utherix wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

Because of the whole repeatable quest thing I kinda chalked first 90 days up to experimentation, I haven't expected it to be fair until next iteration TBH, but it's notable.

Karius_Imalthar

I understand there are always going to be really good players out there but it's starting to feel like you have to be vamp to be good in Cyrodiil. I watched someone scold people in zone chat for picking up the elder scroll who weren't vampires. Vampire/werewolf should add some interesting abilities but not become the defining "must-have" spec.

Phoenix99

Also I think that ZoS generally dropped a ball on vampires in general. they should be more of a "night hunter" type of character with SEVERE drawbacks during the day time, in lore they are not even seen outside during the day time.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

Simple as this. PvP needs to be fairly equal among the classes and variants.

Until Vamp is nerfed into a curiosity I will not bother to pvp. Anything that makes a character into effective "god mode" needs nerfing big time.

Shame to see it in this state.

AshTal

I have never seem a wolf in PvP and I am sure if they were any good people would be using them in PvP, I have seen a lot of Vamps and would agree Vampires being OP is a major issue, don't have an idea on Wolves but guess not so much.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

Effective vampire god mode is only true if you have broken gear synergy. Vampire as a fact got a cost of 80 at stage 4 wich is actualy all right... the issue is the ability of player to reduce this ulti cost to non existence.

How to fix? by nerfing all those cost reduction items wich makes all ultimate broken of course!

Stop putting blame on something that works as intended... save for mist form healing vampire would be all right if not for the existence of those ridiculus out of spec synergy!

rdfarley89

I don't pvp but I really wish the NPCs would not talk to and even chase and attempt to kill vampire players. I also wish we players who do not want a bunch of vampires around could make an attempt to kill the vampire players we see in town and out adventuring.

Ravinsild

Tandara wrote: »

You don't use Silver bolts EVER against a vamp/ww player who knows how to counter them. Only if you feel lucky and trust that 5% chance.

Actually for Werewolves this is instant death because they have no CC breaker. At all. Just keep pinning them down and nothing they can do until they transform back to normal.

skarvika

I don't know if I've ever been hit with one of these, but sorry to hear that's happened. I'd hate if my guild fell apart.

Armitas wrote: »

From another thread.

Goldie wrote: »

I have watched as these players take keeps by themselves, with 0 team members, or in some cases a healer in tow.

In what possible world, other than Sheogoraths plane of oblivion, is this working as intended? You cannot defend this type of game play. There is no excuse adequate enough to make this acceptable!

Sure there is. The vamp players will tell you
"U SUK!!! LERN 2 PLAY!! UR NOT GOOD @ GAME "

dontfoolme

Pressing R - Vamp 5-10 Mins of advantage every 10 seconds.
Pressing R - as any other class 5-10 seconds advantage every 1-2 minutes.

Problem? Guess not, ban more gold spammers. Fix the game in both PVP and PVE, by cutting the bat swarm skill reduction set/AOE life steal vampire nonsense.

Get it together you are losing subscribers. It isn't from Gold spammers, gold botters, Gold anything. It is from overpowered skill sets mixed with overpowered ultimate abilities in PVP and PVE dungeons.

Regards.

Gisgo

I think more than half of the players i met in AvA today were vampires.
There is definately something... odd.

Its not even a big deal because most of them are bandwagoners and suck, but its stupid... this is becoming Twilight online, and im not a teen anymore ffs!

Sariias

"100 people quit" doesn't equal "100 people quit PvP"

Great way to sensationalize with a thread title, though.

I'm sure ESO is looking at options and alternatives. People are being incredibly impatient. I agree it must be changed, but rage isn't going to get you anywhere.

RaZaddha

Sariiasb14_ESO wrote: »

"100 people quit" doesn't equal "100 people quit PvP"

Great way to sensationalize with a thread title, though.

I'm sure ESO is looking at options and alternatives. People are being incredibly impatient. I agree it must be changed, but rage isn't going to get you anywhere.

Many people play pvp to be competitive, to test your skill against others, to have fun winning or losing and improving yourself, theres no point in playing pvp if you are going to get roflstomped by a single guy everytime you try to fight. I'm actually playing something else to satisfy my pvp needs until this BS gets fixed.

mielgatorwb17_ESO

Really ? Batswarm is BS ? What about those countless players who rush head first into this very same swarm ? Or those countless player who don't know how to roll? Immovable + Talon + batswarm combo is easy to stall, just seem peoples play without their brain.

Gosh, because someone with this build had them, doesn't mean his build is overpowered. It most likely mean you don't know how to counter it yet...

Plus AOE spells have max target cap set at 6 peoples, plus a focus of 2 ranged DD is enough to get him down in a few seconds if noone slacked in his swarm.

Want to kill it in 1v1 ? Be smarter, immovable definitly don't render you immune to all form of CC in the game, it does prevent :

-Knockdown
-Knockback
-Stun
-Disorient
-Off balance
-Fear

But does not prevent from Snares and Root, neither the Mist form is. (discussed over TamrielFoundry : http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/aoe-stuns-and-roots-etc/ )

What you want is to make him waste his ressources (at least the ultimate), not to kill him right away, that's called : Strategy.

And please, get the difference between hardcc and softcc before saying something about those Vampire being non controlable.

This is the kind of build who roll over melee, but are useless against ranged. What does it remind me... Ah yeah, rock paper scissor

Maybe you will want a bow the next time you're going rvr with your melee. You know, this curved piece of wood, really usefull to keep foes at distances before finishing them off with your great piece of forged iron that serve you as sword. This way you'll be the rock and scissor at the same time and maybe you won't get rolled over by another batman.

(Oh, I can kill anyone in less than 4seconds, you know velocious curse, mage's wrath & soulassault combo, if i'm lucky I can even launch an instant crystal fragment, ultimate is avaible at nearly every fight I have, should we nerf this as well ?)

I really wonder who's at fault here, but maybe you want some cheese with your whine ?

Soban

Utherix wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

Yep, that's gonna be a problem for people who were aiming for emp.

leewells

skarvika wrote: »

I don't know if I've ever been hit with one of these, but sorry to hear that's happened. I'd hate if my guild fell apart.

Armitas wrote: »

From another thread.

Goldie wrote: »

I have watched as these players take keeps by themselves, with 0 team members, or in some cases a healer in tow.

In what possible world, other than Sheogoraths plane of oblivion, is this working as intended? You cannot defend this type of game play. There is no excuse adequate enough to make this acceptable!

Sure there is. The vamp players will tell you
"U SUK!!! LERN 2 PLAY!! UR NOT GOOD @ GAME "

You mean, something like this:

mielgatorwb17_ESO wrote: »

Really ? Batswarm is BS ? What about those countless players who rush head first into this very same swarm ? Or those countless player who don't know how to roll? Immovable + Talon + batswarm combo is easy to stall, just seem peoples play without their brain.

Gosh, because someone with this build had them, doesn't mean his build is overpowered. It most likely mean you don't know how to counter it yet...

Plus AOE spells have max target cap set at 6 peoples, plus a focus of 2 ranged DD is enough to get him down in a few seconds if noone slacked in his swarm.

Want to kill it in 1v1 ? Be smarter, immovable definitly don't render you immune to all form of CC in the game, it does prevent :

-Knockdown
-Knockback
-Stun
-Disorient
-Off balance
-Fear

But does not prevent from Snares and Root, neither the Mist form is. (discussed over TamrielFoundry : http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/aoe-stuns-and-roots-etc/ )

What you want is to make him waste his ressources (at least the ultimate), not to kill him right away, that's called : Strategy.

And please, get the difference between hardcc and softcc before saying something about those Vampire being non controlable.

This is the kind of build who roll over melee, but are useless against ranged. What does it remind me... Ah yeah, rock paper scissor

Maybe you will want a bow the next time you're going rvr with your melee. You know, this curved piece of wood, really usefull to keep foes at distances before finishing them off with your great piece of forged iron that serve you as sword. This way you'll be the rock and scissor at the same time and maybe you won't get rolled over by another batman.

(Oh, I can kill anyone in less than 4seconds, you know velocious curse, mage's wrath & soulassault combo, if i'm lucky I can even launch an instant crystal fragment, ultimate is avaible at nearly every fight I have, should we nerf this as well ?)

I really wonder who's at fault here, but maybe you want some cheese with your whine ?

Alexandrious

AshTal wrote: »

I have never seem a wolf in PvP and I am sure if they were any good people would be using them in PvP, I have seen a lot of Vamps and would agree Vampires being OP is a major issue, don't have an idea on Wolves but guess not so much.

I saw one, soon as he transformed every single friggen bow user turned on em, he didnt last 5 seconds, much less manage to take a single step. Heh...

mielgatorwb17_ESO

leewells wrote: »

You mean, something like this: mielgato's post

It does not worth the pain posting on this forum, bad faith really have it hard here.

I'm mostly talking about my experience AGAINST, I never said I was a vampire so the only thing your post has made in my guild was a great laugher over the mumble

As I said those guys are not gods, far from there. Plenty have tried to gank me, plenty have died. Plenty tried to gank my 4man, plenty have died again.

The emperor is a god, a vampire emperor would be even more than a god, a vampire is a simple an easy to kill peon.

Why you have troubles then ? Maybe because you're not aware of the tools needed to kite the batswarm, and if you used your brain and eyes to read my post thoroughly, you should have seen that kiting those batman isn't really an issue.

Well, as I am a nice guy, i'll give you some :

Snipe ability morphed to have healing reduction debuff (47%)
Any snare or root ability
Assault skill Retreating manoeuver
Magnum shot to *** yourself back from the swarm
Ball of lightning
Stampede (over the user, then over someone afar to leave the direct surrounding if possible)

And I can easily add more to the list, but I'll let you find by yourself, and believe me, once everyone has fled from the swarm, killing the batman is a piece of cake. I have played dark age of camelot, and I have seen players killing countless peoples by themselves with one skill during siege action, I have seen countless whining thread over the PBAoE even before you certainly play your first MMO. it's certainly not a batman with a roflmaofaceroll build that will scare me.

the *** up leaderboard is a real issue, batswarm isn't. I give you it might need a little balancing with the ultimate cost, but it's certainly not as game breaking as you want to mean.

Please if someone else can kill those vampire, manifest yourself from the depth of oblivion, or maybe me and my buddies are the only ones who figured how to ?

Troll your heart content, you won't see me soon here, i'm done with bad faith and stupidity all over the internet. I had quit the /zone for this very reason, i'm going to quit the forum for this very same reason, and if I ever quit ESO, it would be for this reason especially, not because of some overpowered spells, not because of bugs, and not because of aoe max target cap.

then again, I wonder who's at fault here, but maybe you want MORE cheese with your whine ?

Zershar_Vemod

I just love how everyone posts like EVERY vamp are like these vids.

*** about DK, Sorc and Emperors having ult reduction stacks that allow this, not Vamp passives.

But yeah, thanks to whining, now everyone, not just the very few cases, is getting punished if they are a Vampire. It's the PvP level "exploit" nonsense all over again.

dexfmb16_ESO

mielgatorwb17_ESO wrote: »

Really ? Batswarm is BS ? What about those countless players who rush head first into this very same swarm ? Or those countless player who don't know how to roll? Immovable + Talon + batswarm combo is easy to stall, just seem peoples play without their brain.

Gosh, because someone with this build had them, doesn't mean his build is overpowered. It most likely mean you don't know how to counter it yet...

What you want is to make him waste his ressources (at least the ultimate), not to kill him right away, that's called : Strategy.

And please, get the difference between hardcc and softcc before saying something about those Vampire being non controlable.

Let me get this right, you are talking about strategy and tactics from a group of player versus ONE guy right? Not a raid boss or something ... Jesus, talking about brain ...

krollerupb16_ESO

+1 for this. Lots of people on AD side are starting to talk about what other pvp games they should play since the game is so unbalanced its near to unplayable atm. One thing I dont understand, when a game mechanic is this broken, why the *** don't you remove it?

At least you could rename the game "Twilight Online" so people know what they could expect.

Mddnick

Negate Magic. Ranges snares. Stop melee stacking on the emp.
So many ways to kill the Wabbajack Vamp squads. You know we're talking about you Cheeseybread

nez

didnt read anything here, but will say: "dev are naive, twilight loving sanawabeeechiz"

Chomppa

Please , before you guys quit , give me a bite . That way I wouldn't have to come to this forums complaining about not getting a bite .

leewells

Mddnick wrote: »

Negate Magic. Ranges snares. Stop melee stacking on the emp.
So many ways to kill the Wabbajack Vamp squads. You know we're talking about you Cheeseybread

You must not realize the problem.. Negate magic? They just spam R -- you can't spam negate very long.

chrisub17_ESO104

Kypho wrote: »

all will try and hope for the 5% what lolTESO loldevs gave for us.

Until it procs on a DK with scale up, and that magic based bonus damage flies back and one shots them.

kedz54

Funny enough I rarely use my Vampire powers, except to heal in combat (feeding). I'm probably one of the few that chose to be a Vampire for a few reasons: 1. Played a Vamp in other TES, 2. Passives work well with magicka, 3. Played a similar class in DAOC. I agree things need to be toned down. It's ridiculous. I won't be using powers in PVP.

Swie

mielgatorwb17_ESO wrote: »

Please if someone else can kill those vampire, manifest yourself from the depth of oblivion, or maybe me and my buddies are the only ones who figured how to ?

Just if you happen to be part of the 1% of the elite players who have no problems dealing with the current state of the vampires, does not make it any less wrong being so overpowered to the rest of the player base.

Yes there will always be players who can deal with overpowered things and yes there will always be players who come to forums boosting their ego saying "It's fine, I can deal with them". That does not change the fact that they are still way more overpowered than they should be, for the rest of the 99% of the people. Nice that you're sharing some tips, however unfortunately they will not reach everyone.

The PVP stats are completely screwed up because the 99% matters. Way too many times have I seen one vampire to kill a zerg of 20-30 people alone, using batswarm with invisibility, mist, or what ever the hell makes em nearly immune to everything, or DKs spam healing themselves. Also too many times have I seen Elder Scroll carries being virtually unstoppable with the infinite Elusive Mist form, running faster than mounts and being immune to control mechanisms. Or just being able to evade from every bad situation, if one is near dying.

If something is OP to 99% of the player base, it simply is OP. That's why people whine.

RaZaddha

I can't believe you guys are still defending batswarm. Have you tried to defend or take a castle just to have a group of vampires come in and jump in the middle of your siege? Trying to attack or defend any position that requires stactic siege is so *** hard with those vampires running around, which is supposed to be the most important part about Cyrodiil.

We had an outpost ready to defend with oil, but then some mist passed us by and we didn't even notice in the middle of the fighting because magelight doesn't reveal mist vampires. Result: A perfectly good defense ruined because a single vampire got into our oil pots and we couldn't use them again properly.

It's a broken mechanic, it's getting nerfed because it's broken, but we still have groups of dickheads who keep abusing this over and over again. It certainly becomes a boring game when during one play session you spend as much time fighting a single vampire as you spend trying to kill any other person combined.