ESO: BC of VAMP, You've caused more than 100 in my guild to QUIT

kijima

Defending a keep when they break through the wall currently costs you a LOT of AP points. I say this because the best way I've seen to stop a vamp when they mist in through the wall is by placing sorcery mercs in front of you. Get a few people to drop a few each and then stand above them on stairs with ranged weapons/spells. I dropped a vr3 vamp last night with the help of mercs, NO chance outside of that.

PvP should be about balance, Bat Swarm is not balanced and there is no real counter for that with each class. There is no balance when it comes to vamps, there just isn't nerf or no nerf.

I've seen comments on this board where even some of the vamps here have said they feel sorry for the insta deaths they give and WW... I feel sorry for anyone that decided to become a WW as that class is nerfed to begin with.

I don't think the vamp nerf is going to solve the vamp issue either. Yeah it's a start but balance to me means that any class at the same level 'should' have the path's and skill lines to combat any other class. This isn't the case.

More balance is required.

Oh, and this isn't about me either. I chose a NB with a bow, and while I might be handy in PvE it's a hard slog in PvP and not really effective, my top tiers are pretty awful compared to other builds, but that's okay. I know this and I live with it, it just means I die a lot. LOL!

What annoys me is vamps coming into a keep, misting through and killing single handedly 20-30 players, and then bat swarming any stragglers, usually the templar tanks are the last to die.

kijima

To add, having to spend 10K on AP just for one vamp (that isn't emperor) is just stupid. Forget to add that in. One of my friends last night went from 250K to about 10K of AP just to slow down DC vamps.

Starshadw

smokes wrote: »

however, i believe that the fighters guild ability circle of protection morphed into turn undead should put an end to this vampire feeding frenzy - however i have not tested it yet.

this evening, i will be setting forth into cyrodiil with turn undead on my action bar (it's supposed to fear undead and daedra for 4 seconds instantly on cast) if that doesn't break this crazy ultimate spam of batswarm, i honestly have no idea what will

I tested this tonight - and it did not appear to do anything to them- I did not see a single vamp player feared when I dropped the circle. Whether that's by design, or whether it's a bug and in fact, it should be fearing them, I can't say.

Raggok

Tandara wrote: »

Just a quick hint if a dk uses chains he pays like 20% of his mana for it.(for one person) Talons? Another 20%.. Are you trolling or you just didn't find the roll button until now? (hint roll releases you from talons)

And then it gets reapplied because roots are spammed in PVP and the cost to get out of roots is very high.

You are a clown if you defend what is going on right now with respect to vampires, DKs, and Sorcs.

RedTalon

About the werewolf thing they are are aware its under performing and are looking into it, in the meantime they are planning on reducing the ultimate cost apparently.

Though they didn't give the time like the start of the vampire fixing.

leewells

Starshadw wrote: »

smokes wrote: »

however, i believe that the fighters guild ability circle of protection morphed into turn undead should put an end to this vampire feeding frenzy - however i have not tested it yet.

this evening, i will be setting forth into cyrodiil with turn undead on my action bar (it's supposed to fear undead and daedra for 4 seconds instantly on cast) if that doesn't break this crazy ultimate spam of batswarm, i honestly have no idea what will

I tested this tonight - and it did not appear to do anything to them- I did not see a single vamp player feared when I dropped the circle. Whether that's by design, or whether it's a bug and in fact, it should be fearing them, I can't say.

I've also mentioned a few times that FG abilities do not work as described. All the newbs here say use bolts, when in fact any vamp with reflect up will return every bolt you fire and the 2% proc isn't worth the stamina when they're spamming talons on you.

One of the biggest issues is bat swarm stacking and invisibility while casting still -- it is full ***. I saw yesterday one vamp (which I've reported) one-shot an entire 40 man (organized) raid -- one... shot... Looking at combatlog, everyone, whithin one second is hit some 100 times by bats.

dontfoolme

Thats called skill... 100 bats no cooldown totally intended by Zenimax.. I want 7 days play time reimbursed. PVP has and will be broken until Zenimax gives a crap. First off, it takes 15 seconds to disable a skill. Bat swarm should be disabled JUST LIKE GUILD BANK until it is fixed.

Not very hard devs, even the *** pressing R could do it... but maybe pressing R for batswarm is more difficult.

AshTal

My guess is the only people who don't think Vampire is OP are the Vampires who spam bat swarm 10 times in a battle (stacking it) escapre everything in mist form because its not like have needed magic in the battle thanks to bat swarm - or the person behind them collecting 40-100 kills every battle.
Currently none of the PvE bugs or other issues have done as much damage to this game than the Vampire exploit in PvP I am sure all the other MMO's designers are laughing their heads off at this screw up and the angry customers this has generated.

I really don't think the current change (can't even call it a nerf) will be sufficient. All I can say is if you see a Vamp exploiting report him. Maybe when they get 1000's of reports on these guys they might do something about it... I doubt it but we can only hope.

Alestair

Stop disagreeing with leewells... Seriously, stop going into a 360.. He has the votes of agree's..he has the majority on his side... Get lost Edward.

Alestair

dontfoolme wrote: »

Pressing R - Vamp 5-10 Mins of advantage every 10 seconds.
Pressing R - as any other class 5-10 seconds advantage every 1-2 minutes.

Problem? Guess not, ban more gold spammers. Fix the game in both PVP and PVE, by cutting the bat swarm skill reduction set/AOE life steal vampire nonsense.

Get it together you are losing subscribers. It isn't from Gold spammers, gold botters, Gold anything. It is from overpowered skill sets mixed with overpowered ultimate abilities in PVP and PVE dungeons.

Regards.

Exactly.. People think its the Gold farmers/Bots ruining the game.. It's not.. Its the freaking People who are stronger than the Divines, stonger than the Daedric princes that are ruining the game which is Vampire DK/Sorcs....

dontfoolme

AshTal wrote: »

My guess is the only people who don't think Vampire is OP are the Vampires who spam bat swarm 10 times in a battle (stacking it) escapre everything in mist form because its not like have needed magic in the battle thanks to bat swarm - or the person behind them collecting 40-100 kills every battle.
Currently none of the PvE bugs or other issues have done as much damage to this game than the Vampire exploit in PvP I am sure all the other MMO's designers are laughing their heads off at this screw up and the angry customers this has generated.

I really don't think the current change (can't even call it a nerf) will be sufficient. All I can say is if you see a Vamp exploiting report him. Maybe when they get 1000's of reports on these guys they might do something about it... I doubt it but we can only hope.

/Report? Sorry that doesn't work.. I report all of these people and I see them night in and night out. I stopped PVPing because of this nonsense.

The developers who made bat swarm without checks and balances should go back to their other jobs.

I am convinced that someone from the vamp development team is either A. an EMO or B. really likes twilight.

In my business, if I received this many complaints about a group of individuals their asses would be fired long ago.

terrible, terrible design and imbalance. FIX THIS!!!! NOW!!!

Gervis

So you show a horrible video with *** music, expect people to watch the first 11 mins then all it is is a 1hd and shield vamp just blocking while dum asses try and fight him in mele and then he just waffle pawns them. If you leave after this then you I think you have made the game better because you suck ***. and qq about anything you cant 1 button win.

Starshadw

leewells wrote: »

I've also mentioned a few times that FG abilities do not work as described. All the newbs here say use bolts, when in fact any vamp with reflect up will return every bolt you fire and the 2% proc isn't worth the stamina when they're spamming talons on you.

One of the biggest issues is bat swarm stacking and invisibility while casting still -- it is full ***. I saw yesterday one vamp (which I've reported) one-shot an entire 40 man (organized) raid -- one... shot... Looking at combatlog, everyone, whithin one second is hit some 100 times by bats.

I still find Silver Bolts useful - it's not 100%, but I probably knock down vampire PCs more often than not, including v10s.

Fortunately, today's patch takes care of the bat swarm stacking (along with a couple other tweaks). We'll see how things play out soon!

Napkins

Let me get this straight. You're guild is leaving a game because everything isn't balanced right out of the gate?
You guys must not ever make it past the first 1-2 months of all nw mmo's. Seriously though, some games it takes YEARS for pvp to be somewhat balanced.
Sounds like you guys should avoid mmo's all together imo.

Raggok

Gervis wrote: »

So you show a horrible video with *** music, expect people to watch the first 11 mins then all it is is a 1hd and shield vamp just blocking while dum asses try and fight him in mele and then he just waffle pawns them. If you leave after this then you I think you have made the game better because you suck ***. and qq about anything you cant 1 button win.

^ Clown

Raggok

Napkins wrote: »

Let me get this straight. You're guild is leaving a game because everything isn't balanced right out of the gate?
You guys must not ever make it past the first 1-2 months of all nw mmo's. Seriously though, some games it takes YEARS for pvp to be somewhat balanced.
Sounds like you guys should avoid mmo's all together imo.

This is so gamebreaking it should have been disabled or hotfixed weeks ago. You are a clown.

leewells

Gervis wrote: »

So you show a horrible video with *** music, expect people to watch the first 11 mins then all it is is a 1hd and shield vamp just blocking while dum asses try and fight him in mele and then he just waffle pawns them. If you leave after this then you I think you have made the game better because you suck ***. and qq about anything you cant 1 button win.

Well lookie there, seems like we're complaining about the same thing, "1 button win"... LOL 1 button win... Like vamps one button win with ult?

Napkins wrote: »

Let me get this straight. You're guild is leaving a game because everything isn't balanced right out of the gate?
You guys must not ever make it past the first 1-2 months of all nw mmo's. Seriously though, some games it takes YEARS for pvp to be somewhat balanced.
Sounds like you guys should avoid mmo's all together imo.

Balanced... no, I don't think balance is an issue -- broken is a better word. Thankfully this patch today seems to have fixed a LOT of issues, which means we should get 100+ people back into PVP

Ragnar_Lodbrok

If you had 100 people quit Id say good riddance.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

lol because of major nerf to vamp I think they will cause more then several thousand people to quit

dontfoolme

Major nerf? This isn't a nerf it is a fix.. I don't believe zenimax said "hey lets make bat swarm stackable as the only ultimate in the game and it can effect 40+ players at once."

Yawn... nomnom

Go back to your cave.

Raggok

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO wrote: »

lol because of major nerf to vamp I think they will cause more then several thousand people to quit

Another clown.

AshTal

The "fix" just stops them being insanely over powered this really does not go far enough. Most Ultimate's are a last ditch effort or a good opener only 2 in the game a are 1 button WIN.
As for reporting exploiters yes seems to be a joke the ones everyone knows about and are ruining PvP are left running wild. Guess the only way they will ever get banned is if they try to sell some of the millions of gold they have made in PvP for real cash.

SeñorCinco

leewells wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

There was so much clutter on that screen. How do people tell what is going on?

Besides... what about using fire against these Vamps?


nvmd... I was so distracted by that video and all the junk flashing up on the HUD, I forgot what topic I was in.

aj.n8w8b16_ESO

Utherix wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

yeah but doesnt each campaign reset every 90 days?

if so it should be every month, maybe even less with these exploits/abuse

Also pvp is a real joke atm a huge game breaker swarms arround and yet it feels like there is 0 acknowledge to this problem, in the meanwhile abusers keep going frenzy and think they are good (coughcough EU EP)

Lets hope they fix this BS and who knows the only thing they can abuse will be eachother? ;o(coughcough EU EP)

Milky

LadyChaos wrote: »

Utherix wrote: »

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this. The whole AP and leaderboards are screwed up now. We have these vamp abusers with massive amounts of AP and Score it would take another playing the same amount of time but without vampire months to acquire.

Because of the whole repeatable quest thing I kinda chalked first 90 days up to experimentation, I haven't expected it to be fair until next iteration TBH, but it's notable.

Right, so who cares about leaderboards in the first matchup? Games new, not everyone is max level, and tons of exploiters. There's no way to make it accurate so close to launch. I'd bet money that you won't see most of these people even in the top 100 in the next matchup. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw all support players topping the leadboards next reset.

dontfoolme

I smell burning bats... about time.. now all the servers change status.. yet.. wait they still have major bonuses for the month that it was OP.