my understanding of this is its basically aetherial cipher level rarity and only is dropped from BG

ive never even gotten an aetherial cipher, so i find it unlikely ill ever have one without buying it

been trying to get one for 7 months around 2k bg's and lots of leaderboard interaction but so far no luck and dont know anyone in BG community who has seen one.

I have been sitting with the prereq recipe just gathering dust, I really didnt realize how impossible it would be when I started it.
I can understand me not getting one RNG etcetera but only one has been on the market this whole time in multiple daily checks, was thinking if i gave it a half a year lead I could get it in time for mayhem but shooting for next year.

I don't think there are more than 5 ish people on server with it unless they never make them to sell, where I see many more cyphers come to market. I think if ZoS posted yearly drop history the Thesis would be many times rarer in drop.

I have currently grinding Grand Overlord in BG's we will see if I hit it before seeing one I have around 2500 matches left. i will be asking groups more often and see if I can find a confirmed drop. best of luck to you! The one I did see sold for 50million

gariondavey wrote: »

Thought this was the upgrade that only can be bought with telvar

That was for the middle-tier Molten War Torte, the “Chef Arquitius's Torte Dissertation”. The Lost Thesis is the next step up (White-gold War Torte).

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

From my perspective it is something that is um.. I would use the word :"unnecessary". I mean it boost your AvA allaiance skill progression, which is good, but by the time you will have it (since it is way too rare) - you will not need it anymore since you will have AvA maxed anyway...

The only usecase for that is probably trying to sell it to someone... but then again - who will buy it if nowadays we have PvP events ? I have grinded my AvA skill lines long before we had double AP & PvP events in eso. It did not take that long to max out skill lines. Max AW rank can take a while, but AvA skill lines ? Nowadays it is quite fast to grind, even without boosters.

i think these were intended to help with alliance ranks more than the skill lines, it just so happens it affects both, and initially there was some confusion that made people think it only affected the skill lines

i agree though by the time you can even make the 3rd tier recipe, you might easily have a GO, so it would help your next toon if you wanted to pvp more, and the only one that is feasible to make in large quantities is the first one, as the ingredients for the other 2 are very expensive/rare

So if this is the base layer one, my GM found 3 in the last campaign

I've played literally 1000s of BGs and never got one

By the time you pull this, you likely have grand overlord on 18 toons anyway. It's just that rare.

Anyone who has seen one able to point me to a crafter? been stacking mats for a really long time thinking id get the recipe eventually but no luck

i cant pay that much but I can do 50mill

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin , why should a recipe be so rare someone wont sell it for less than 200million and the only alternative is crown store potions. seems a bit out of alignment with good gaming practices

I got one in 500 nodes for a mourning dew, theres a farmer in game that someone how posts infinite of them one at a time. can just keep buying them from him i bought over 200 and he never stopped posting not sure how he can farm them he only logs on to post them. most have a team of farmers but i searched pretty hard on all pvp campaigns and never found anyone running nodes like that

I have been actively hunting a thesis for over 18months and frequently top 10 if not 1 on leaderboards and havent seen one or saw one drop for any of the competitive community that runs bg's consistently. this drop rate is obviously well below what it should be if not broken. I laughed hard when I saw a pve guy in bg's who was trying to get the recipe for completion, thinking it would happen in a few nights of pvp. they gave up quickly. after all the time I invested into getting the other recipe's I think they should let you you know its next to impossible to finish the line up. I have been able to grind or work my way up to buying any other rare item eventually but this one is a level of magnitude more difficult than I could have imagined

I finally got a Recipe: Molten War Torte after roughly 5k battlegrounds played.

The Lost Thesis must have a mind-boggingly low drop rate.

Yes, I got a lost thesis drop yesterday. Sold it for a monumental chunk of gold. I play tons and tons of BGs - noticed it in my inventory after my unboxer addon went through a bunch of rewards containers.