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Serious issue with multi refining raw materials

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  • D0PAMINE
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    kojou wrote: »
    I refined several thousand ore units and got and appropriate amount of tempering alloy. The drop rate has been about 1% for gold materials on refining.
    I don't imagine they would change the drop rate for the new feature. You were probably just unlucky this time.

    Except there are multiple posts on the forums where people have refined large stacks of materials at once and not gotten any gold tempers what-so-ever (including myself).

    So just because it has worked for you doesn't mean there can't be a bug in there.

    If i had to guess, whoever implemented this at ZOS does not roll the dice for each part in a bulk refinement but only rolls the dice once for everything, which would allow for a return of absolutely no gold tempers for thousands of raw mats.
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    Happened to me with x1000 ore :frowning:
  • sunbro38
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D
  • magictucktuck
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    i refines 2k wood and got 2 golds lol, but every other type i seemed to get the correct amount
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  • tmbrinks
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    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    Edited by tmbrinks on 16 August 2019 00:00
    Curious about daily crafting writ rewards and refinement rates? Spreadsheet showing years of writs and refining data!
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  • sunbro38
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    It's more like a couple minutes. And no, I won't "argue" with you over this because I could care less of what you think and more importantly I didn't say what you are assuming at all.
    I'm not the only one who isn't particularly fond of this half-baked feature and losing on materials after refining 2k stacks.
  • tmbrinks
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    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    It's more like a couple minutes. And no, I won't "argue" with you over this because I could care less of what you think and more importantly I didn't say what you are assuming at all.
    I'm not the only one who isn't particularly fond of this half-baked feature and losing on materials after refining 2k stacks.

    Edit... not worth debating with the innumerate.

    Edited by tmbrinks on 16 August 2019 00:23
    Curious about daily crafting writ rewards and refinement rates? Spreadsheet showing years of writs and refining data!
    Link to forum thread
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  • Dweebert
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    It would have actually been nice to know in the beginning it was 1000x10 and not just 1000 mats.. I was curious and did it first day after patch on a toon that has 50 in Woodworking and nothing in Extraction ( First one I logged on).. Thought I was doing 1000 mats and turned out I did 10,000, No Upgrade mats to speak of at all. If I would have done it on one of my Many other crafters that have max in all areas of Crafting it wouldnt be an issue. I put in a ticket and they said So sorry your SOL!! I have a ton of Materials so it's not a huge loss, Whats upsettin is they are willing to do absolutely nothing for me. I know it was my Mistake but come-on..
  • heaven13
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    MLGProPlayer wrote: »
    The confirmed drop rate for gold tempers is 5%, or 1 per stack (20 refinings).

    Not to be that person but 1 gold temper per 1 stack (200 raw items) is a 0.5%, not 5%. A full 5% drop rate of gold tempers would be amazing!
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  • Reverb
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    You’re really gonna hold that line and be combative towards who dare to have different opinions than you?

    People, including myself, who prefer the addon functionality don’t invalidate you for preferring the new native functions. Good for you, go off and refine stacks and be happy. Please stop acting like anyone is trying to take something away from you by liking the addon better.
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  • VaranisArano
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    Anyone who believes that ZOS messed with the drop rate or that there is any way to mess with the drop rate (like refining a certain number of times, hot streaks, "refine time", etc.) is going to argue that, yes, multicrafting is worse than refining with their old method.

    Most of those methods arent actually backed up by statistically significant data sets, but hey, people are gonna believe what they wanna believe.
  • tmbrinks
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    Reverb wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    Well I'm usually doing other things while the add on was crafting instead of staring at the screen.
    Does that foot in your mouth taste good? :D

    I did too. Cleaning. Watching Netflix, etc...

    You're really gonna try and argue that instant is worse than waiting hours?

    You’re really gonna hold that line and be combative towards who dare to have different opinions than you?

    People, including myself, who prefer the addon functionality don’t invalidate you for preferring the new native functions. Good for you, go off and refine stacks and be happy. Please stop acting like anyone is trying to take something away from you by liking the addon better.
    Wait...that’s because it doesn’t. You’re using absurdly inflated, imaginary stats rather than making a cogent counterpoint. It doesn’t prove your point, it just makes you look foolish in the eyes of people who know better. I see you.

    From another thread. Your post. You dismiss my post as "imaginary stats". Invalidating what I do. You're going to stand on your high horse and demean what I say while you're doing the same thing. Get over yourself.

    The "new" crafting does not prohibit you from doing exactly what you were doing before. You can still refine your materials one group of 10 at a time if you so please.

    I still have yet to see a single person provide any sort of evidence that they aren't getting materials.

    Screen shot your craft bag before. Refine 10k+ mats. Screen shot after.

    I did this when I tested it on PTS. Because if it was not working correctly. I WANTED PROOF. I wanted to be able to share it with ZoS. Right now, it's all hearsay.

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  • Disturbed_One
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    Refined several thousand of each since launch. All drops seemed normal to me. It's not the tens of thousands that other have done, but another confirmation that things are behaving as expected. I just wish MAX wasn't the default, I could see how that could catch some people and maybe refine too much on a character without the passives.
  • Heatnix90
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    Did a few refines this week

    Round 1
    pElAYZs.png

    Round 2
    Qj0Uz04.png

    Seems perfectly normal to me
  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    rumple9 wrote: »
    I can't deconstruct anything and armour shows up at the jewellery station

    This^^^^
    It has happened to me also. Armor wont deconstruct and also shows up on Jewelry Craft station as deconstruct and cant decon jewelry.

    I also have seen issues with mats. Yes, gold mats definitely not dropping the same with multi refine.
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  • wenchmore420b14_ESO
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    sunbro38 wrote: »
    the multicraft add on was way better. kinda sad when the consumer is more talented than the developer.

    So... you'd rather spend hours refining materials than less than a minute. Got it.

    If it means not losing several hundred thousands of gold in lost/missing tempers, than yea...
    Drakon Koryn~Oryndill, Rogue~Mage,- CP ~Doesn't matter any more
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  • MilwaukeeScott
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    I think I would prefer Maximum
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    All I see is hate and rage from people who don't understand how to.....
  • Luigi_Vampa
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    So far the only people posting data are the ones that confirm the drop rate is fine. Everyone else is just telling stories that may or may not be true. Post proof before you start claiming major bugs.
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  • Reivax
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    ErinM31 wrote: »
    I think it should default to minimum each time so if a player wants more, it is a deliberate choice.
    Exactly that. Don't need to defend the idea that it should default at 1 unless you want to do more.


  • CasgarTheSomnolent
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    Heatnix90 wrote: »
    Did a few refines this week

    Round 1
    pElAYZs.png

    Round 2
    Qj0Uz04.png

    Seems perfectly normal to me

    What add-on are you using to display that info in chat? I just accidentally refined 8k rough ruby ash, and all I got was the ephemeral popup in the middle of the screen saying what I got. Caught me by surprise, and I didn't see what tempers I got and in what quantities.
  • CasgarTheSomnolent
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    Heads-up for those who used to use the Multicraft add-on and still use Inventory Insight:

    Multicraft used to put the number of items to be refined under the item to be refined. Bottom center of the screen. The new inherent multicraft puts it to the right of it. My Inventory Insight window in the default location it shows up next to my list of materials BLOCKS the Quantity options entirely. I didn't even know there were +/- options and Min/Max options until I noticed that I'd instantly refined 8k ruby ash. So, hide or move you I.I. window, so you can see your options.

    Also, FYI, you can Shift-click the +/- buttons to increment by 10 since the new in-built multicraft doesn't have the ability to type in amounts.
  • tmbrinks
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    CasgarTheSomnolent wrote: »
    Heatnix90 wrote: »
    Did a few refines this week

    Round 1
    pElAYZs.png

    Round 2
    Qj0Uz04.png

    Seems perfectly normal to me

    What add-on are you using to display that info in chat? I just accidentally refined 8k rough ruby ash, and all I got was the ephemeral popup in the middle of the screen saying what I got. Caught me by surprise, and I didn't see what tempers I got and in what quantities.

    Refinement Tracker will post that information.
    Curious about daily crafting writ rewards and refinement rates? Spreadsheet showing years of writs and refining data!
    Link to forum thread
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  • barney2525
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    RNG is RNG. I seriously thought they stopped giving out yellows.

    However, putting in the quantity and having That quantity remain for the raw mat Should be the standard. With it auto-changing so you have to stop after every single use to make sure it is going to do what you want it to destroys most of the 'time saving' effect that it is supposed to have.

    Like the change in alchemy, where now after you process one potion, it wipes the mats so you have to enter all 3 again. Who asked for this change?

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