Not Fair

SugaComa · February 2019

Maybe they should have balanced the three factions so one had a magic, one had Stam and one health with imperials being good for mixed builds

This would have stopped a lot of the frustrations people now have

kmcaj · February 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Race

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

twilightwarrick wrote: »

Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc

most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop

trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.

Life's not fair. You even say in your OP that you didn't ask for one -which means you don't really even care.

Stop stirring drama up on something that you don't even care about.

You stop. OP has every right to voice his complaint when getting ripped off.

Please stop misinforming people, thanks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh right sorry. You are not pigeon holed into having to purchase an upgrade if you want to use your free change race token and have an option of choosing from more than two different races.

“I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.”

Literally your own quote ^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also I already bought ARAA months ago. Stop misinforming people

Oh right sorry. You are not pigeon holed into having to purchase an upgrade if you want to use your free change race token and have an option of choosing from more than two different races.

Literally my own quote.

Oh right sorry. You misinformed people in your own thread:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5855559#Comment_5855559

Oh ok then.

DragonHeart000 · February 2019

ESO is one of the most generous mmos, they gave you free tokens to change your race when they made a change to them which is not something all games would do. They give so much free stuff yet there are always people that keep complaining asking for more free stuff.

Sylvermynx · February 2019

Probably best to let this thread die a natural death, by simply no longer replying to either "really involved individual". You're not going to convince either of them. Put them on ignore.... I did.

kmcaj · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Race

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

twilightwarrick wrote: »

Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc

most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop

trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.

Life's not fair. You even say in your OP that you didn't ask for one -which means you don't really even care.

Stop stirring drama up on something that you don't even care about.

You stop. OP has every right to voice his complaint when getting ripped off.

Please stop misinforming people, thanks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh right sorry. You are not pigeon holed into having to purchase an upgrade if you want to use your free change race token and have an option of choosing from more than two different races.

“I'm not going to read anything. It's not important to me. I don't read or listen to anything in the game. I don't care about any of it. All I want to do is use free race change token to switch to new race that is not the two that I have a choice of without paying money because the company gave me something called a change race token. But I can't do that. The change race token is very misleading.”

Literally your own quote ^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also I already bought ARAA months ago. Stop misinforming people

Oh right sorry. You are not pigeon holed into having to purchase an upgrade if you want to use your free change race token and have an option of choosing from more than two different races.

Literally my own quote.

Right, he PAID for it already, you did not so you do not have the option for any race, any alliance. You are not entitled to something you DID NOT PAY FOR.

You may as well stop trying to use logic or reason. It just can't get through to some people.

Looks like we can agree on something. Just reversed. Progress I guess.

Defilted · February 2019

I don't understand where this everything should be free non-sense comes from. You want access , you need to pay. Seems simple to me.

In the real world people's time and materials costs money.

Grammar

kmcaj · February 2019

DragonHeart000 wrote: »

ESO is one of the most generous mmos, they gave you free tokens to change your race when they made a change to them which is not something all games would do. They give so much free stuff yet there are always people that keep complaining asking for more free stuff.

Yes, I've already thanked for the free change race tokens that require purchase of an upgrade to have more than a choice of two other races to choose from. Very generous. They do so much.

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

That's why the gaming industry in such poor state and becomes worse and worse with each year. It's not EA, not Bethesda, not Ubisoft to blame - they all just deliver what people want. And people want to pay price of full game for group of pixels or for "token" to change something. Why then Bethesda need to create TES6 with level of detail and quality similar to TES3-5? It's easier to draw a mount which looks as regular cat (and it was really adorable one on sale few days ago) or mash balance and give free tokens but only within alliance etc.. or to artificially limit storage space / furniture limit to enforce ESO+ etc

MartiniDaniels · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

Bouldercleave · February 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

kmcaj · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

Stop twisting other people’s words to make it seem like you’re right, when you’re actually wrong.

TempPlayer · February 2019

You know what they said, when life give you a lemon, make a lemon grenade. Wait, is that grenade or lemonade? Always get that mixed up.
Anyway, the last person I know that never asked for it ends up being able to punch through walls and turn invisible. Not a bad deal for that.
Story is, just accept it and move on.

Osteos · February 2019

Life isn't fair. You should have learned this already.

You have 3 choices. Don't change your race, change to one of the 2 others available in your faction or purchase Any Race any Alliance that the rest of us purchased or got for preordering.

Bouldercleave · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

I'm glad I finally got through. Enjoy your free 3 races because I'm certainly enjoying your tears.

kmcaj · February 2019

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

Stop twisting other people’s words to make it seem like you’re right, when you’re actually wrong.

No you're actually wrong.

kmcaj · February 2019

Osteos wrote: »

Life isn't fair. You should have learned this already.

You have 3 choices. Don't change your race, change to one of the 2 others available in your faction or purchase Any Race any Alliance that the rest of us purchased or got for preordering.

Oh thanks for clearing that up. That's been the issue all along in this thread.

kmcaj · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

I'm glad I finally got through. Enjoy your free 3 races because I'm certainly enjoying your tears.

Oh thanks. I will enjoy the free change race to two other races unless you buy the upgrade tokens.

Xahfar · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Yes it is blatant cash grab under the guise of a free gift. I am pretty annoyed with this too.

I received free gift and have no need to spend cash. Working as intended.

Girl_Number8 · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

twilightwarrick wrote: »

Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc

most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop

trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.

Life's not fair. You even say in your OP that you didn't ask for one -which means you don't really even care.

Stop stirring drama up on something that you don't even care about.

You stop. OP has every right to voice his complaint when getting ripped off.

He didn't get ripped off. YOU didn't get ripped off. No one got ripped off. Just because you don't agree with how it works doesn't make it wrong.

All the players that played this game since the start got ripped off. Zo$ put the race change tokens on sale for 16% a few days before saying what the changed racial passives would be, knowing full well that the end game community has many more then three characters. It is a cash grab, plain and simple no matter what the Zos forum shills are saying. It should of been a free change for the characters that were created before the announcement was made, not created after. This was a major overhaul in the game and what they included in it was their greed. Doing the right thing would of regained trust from the community but instead Zo$ went with greed as usual. So now some of our characters went from bis to not and if we want that again after supporting the game as a loyal customer base from the beginning we have to pay for their incompetence, some gift.

klowdy1 · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

I'm glad I finally got through. Enjoy your free 3 races because I'm certainly enjoying your tears.

Oh thanks. I will enjoy the free change race to two other races unless you buy the upgrade tokens.

No you. No you. No you.

I really love watching you try to turn everything to your thing, your topic. You take over every thread that is remotely close to what you want to cry about, then you actually end up turning away the people on your side, because you are completely unreasonable. You have cried harder than anyone I have ever seen on these forums, and what has it gotten you but ridicule, and seclusion? Get over it man. Don't use the tokens, and it's like you never got them. Buy the upgrade and finally get what you desire so. Either way, just stop taking over everyone else's threads with your incessant whining, when people are trying to have debate, and not the PeeWee Herman arguement.

kmcaj · February 2019

Xahfar wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Yes it is blatant cash grab under the guise of a free gift. I am pretty annoyed with this too.

I received free gift and have no need to spend cash. Working as intended.

That's great for you.

Chicharron · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

Xahfar wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Yes it is blatant cash grab under the guise of a free gift. I am pretty annoyed with this too.

I received free gift and have no need to spend cash. Working as intended.

That's great for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmrd1MbNkFs

Kadoin · February 2019

Players have a right to outraged IMO. Everyone on the PTS forums knew that players would get angry about these changes and how those tokens worked. Why anyone is honestly pushing back from such a predictable outcome and labeling it "entitlement" is beyond my comprehension.

What's strange is how ZOS could repeatedly test and anger their playerbase. Are they not aware that you should rarely, if ever, leave current and potential customers unsatisfied in business? Continuing to do so will only harm the game in the long run, yet there players that actually defend actions that do this? I can't comprehend it.

ZOS should be promoting a unified community, but instead has been fragmenting it. From what I've seen playing online games for a very long time, that's the first step towards a game's end. It also makes it more difficult to appease your customers, as this thread clearly shows...

Girl_Number8 · February 2019

DragonHeart000 wrote: »

ESO is one of the most generous mmos, they gave you free tokens to change your race when they made a change to them which is not something all games would do. They give so much free stuff yet there are always people that keep complaining asking for more free stuff.

They have every right to complain because it is not free. Not when they change the game this much and Zo$ knows it. The majority of players that have been around since the beginning and have a lot more then 3 characters and are upset rightly so. This was and still is a cash grab on Zo$'s part. That is why they put the race change tokens on sale before announcing the proposed changes for 16%.

Girl_Number8 · February 2019

SugaComa wrote: »

Maybe they should have balanced the three factions so one had a magic, one had Stam and one health with imperials being good for mixed builds

This would have stopped a lot of the frustrations people now have

Zo$ 'balanced' it to make money.

MLGProPlayer · February 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

twilightwarrick wrote: »

Hi I don't think its fair , we cant change our race to whatever we chose, with the game tokens, after the latest patch, without a bloody 25 dollar dlc

most of us never asked for the race changes, well I certainly didn't, and I feel my choice is now a bit of let down after this update, be fair Zenermax/ Bethesda and stop

trying to make a buck off everything in the game, this really highlights their greed.

Life's not fair. You even say in your OP that you didn't ask for one -which means you don't really even care.

Stop stirring drama up on something that you don't even care about.

You stop. OP has every right to voice his complaint when getting ripped off.

He didn't get ripped off. YOU didn't get ripped off. No one got ripped off. Just because you don't agree with how it works doesn't make it wrong.

I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the psychology behind corporate shilling. Would be interesting to read.

BattleAxe · February 2019

Uryel wrote: »

BattleAxe wrote: »

This is clearly a cash grab when ZoS is giving away 3 free tokens which equals almost $80 American currency now multiply that by the number of player across all consoles ZoS is actually looking to lose a substantial sum of money only offset by the players who buy the araa pack.

Economics 101 : you can't lose money if whatever you're handing has zero production cost. As there are no materials involved, no manufacturing, no transformation of any kind, they can't lose a cent. I think the proper word for that in english is "shortfall", or "loss of income", maybe, but not a net loss.

Also, your maths are wrong. To calculate that shortfall, you'd need to know exactly how many people would have indeed purchased those tokens. Lots of people simply wouldn't have. I know I am now sitting on 3 tokens I probably will never use.

Let's make it clear : I don't think OP is right in any way.

But am I still calling that whole mess a cash grab. By shifting stats around like that, ZOS is giving an incentive to people who care enough about stats to change races. And because the description of race change token is really not all that clear (as are many descriptions in the crown store, actually, consider the assistants which are nowhere described as account wide, or the outfit unlocks that are nowhere described as per character), people were led to assume they could change race at will. Which is a thinly veiled incentive to purchase ARAA.

Also also, when calculating the "loss" for ZOS in that, you forgot to factor the number of people who would have rage-quitted, thus negating some of the current and further income for the company, should they not have been able to switch races.

TLDR : you know nothing, John Snow. Not about economics, anyway.

No production cost so the game devs who work on the game don’t get a paycheck? Shortfall your sitting on $80 dollars worth of tokens you would have had to buy so in other words ZoS gave you $80 whether you bought it or not that is them taking $80 out of there pocket how is that not a shortfall? If I give you $80 dollars am I not short $80

kmcaj · February 2019

klowdy1 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

I'm glad I finally got through. Enjoy your free 3 races because I'm certainly enjoying your tears.

Oh thanks. I will enjoy the free change race to two other races unless you buy the upgrade tokens.

No you. No you. No you.

I really love watching you try to turn everything to your thing, your topic. You take over every thread that is remotely close to what you want to cry about, then you actually end up turning away the people on your side, because you are completely unreasonable. You have cried harder than anyone I have ever seen on these forums, and what has it gotten you but ridicule, and seclusion? Get over it man. Don't use the tokens, and it's like you never got them. Buy the upgrade and finally get what you desire so. Either way, just stop taking over everyone else's threads with your incessant whining, when people are trying to have debate, and not the PeeWee Herman arguement.

No. This is what the thread has always been about.

Sheezabeast · February 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

kmcaj wrote: »

Because you can't see how this issue can financially impact some players doesn't make you right. Glad you are happy with everything. Some of us are clearly not.

How does it financially impact you? You don't HAVE to change your race. You yourself have said you don't care about questing, reading, lore, etc. Just grind out a new character. It takes a couple of hours to get to 50 and move on.

Omg, fact that somebody prepared ton of master writs and then during 2x event managed to exploit to lvl 50 in few hours doesn't mean that everybody can do it. Actually it's ~ 10 hours of heavy and tiresome grind to get from lvl 3 to lvl 50 with dolmens/craglorn/random dailies etc, also you need character slot which is not cheap at all. And of course you need to grind undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4 etc etc etc, it's huge ton of time and work.

Boo Hoo 10 whole hours to max level? What ever will you do?

Sorry, but you guys are frigging balls out sad.

Don't need to boo hoo. Explain how you will level up in 2 hours and how much this will cost you.
And you ignored this part - "undaunted/mages/psijic/fighters/skill lines/ all morphs to 4". Only loading screens between wayshrines for all psijic locations and mage guild books will take 2 hours and oops.. fast move between wayshrines is in case you got friend which you don't like so much that ready to ask him to spend several hours of life just to tp you across all tamriel.

OK, if you feel the need to FULLY Level, it may take you a week to 10 days - except for the horse training. If you can't do it that fast or efficiently, you don't even deserve to be at max level and it becomes a L2L or L2G issue.

You want to be on the leaderboard - as long as it is free and easy. How about enjoying the amazing game that has been provided?

Ok, so we came to conclusion that it's almost a week to level up end game worthy toon. I agree on that, this is doable, not very pleasant way to spend time, but if "you want to be on the leaderboard.." (c) - fair.
And I'm actually enjoying the game, I run new dungeons multiple times today and had fun in them, those mice are so cool. And i don't plan to race change any of fully developed chars.. but it doesn't change the fact that those race change tokens are not actually "free". They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance. And now why people may want to change to race from other alliance? Well, if race from other alliance is considerably better (i.e. orc).
So it's not racial balance, it's incentive for all PVP health recovery nords and khajiits to switch to orc, for all bosmers who don't want to roleplay sentry - to switch to orc. For altmers if they wanna feel comfortable with sustain - to switch to orc to breton.

those race change tokens ARE actually "free"- AND They are incentive, to sell any race/any alliance.

Fixed it for you. Now do you get it?

Yes. The free race change tokens are actually just a cheesy cash grab for ARAA. We're on the same page now. You finally got through to me.

I'm glad I finally got through. Enjoy your free 3 races because I'm certainly enjoying your tears.

Oh thanks. I will enjoy the free change race to two other races unless you buy the upgrade tokens.

No you. No you. No you.

I really love watching you try to turn everything to your thing, your topic. You take over every thread that is remotely close to what you want to cry about, then you actually end up turning away the people on your side, because you are completely unreasonable. You have cried harder than anyone I have ever seen on these forums, and what has it gotten you but ridicule, and seclusion? Get over it man. Don't use the tokens, and it's like you never got them. Buy the upgrade and finally get what you desire so. Either way, just stop taking over everyone else's threads with your incessant whining, when people are trying to have debate, and not the PeeWee Herman arguement.

No. This is what the thread has always been about.

In the time you have devoted to your crusade here, you could have found a Crown seller and bought the ARAA content, then you would have what you want. Why won't you acknowledge that you could do this?