is this your first MMO? I've never played a game where you can fire of attacks or abilities without a line of sight being established.

Firstly thanks for the compliments for those that gave them.

For me at this stage in the game it's kind of irrelevant about whether a fight is won or lost and much more about how it is won or lost. I'd rather have a good battle but lose then just push over everything and face no challenges (ofc i'd rather win that challenge than lose it). That doesn't mean that running in to wipe somewhere is good gameplay nor means 'it was a challenge because you died' either.

Sometimes it's important to be able to farm a tower or top floor for 30m because based on who shows up it can make the fight varied and interesting however its quite common for us to stop farming top floors to actually add extra challenge to the situation for us. For example to try and take the keep from inside / taking the resource flag with pressure on us to change the fight up from doing the same thing.

As for the side aggression. I don't require anyone to enjoy our playstyle other than us as a guild. If we halved our recent group size we would be a much smaller group than in your recent videos @Irylia I thought you always said anything above 4 was a zerg
Also as you know (because you have the videos of us fighting on your channel) we did 8v8 gvg a couple of times and did fairly well.
As for 'fishing for vd procs' we are a magicka raid. If you think there is something more effective for magicka DD when you are facing 4x your numbers including organised enemy groups not just pugs and low cp players feel free to run it. Additionally the result would be the same without VD in most situations because its not actually VD which secures the most of our kills. (You can see this because stam raids work fine without VD and are actually probs better this patch especially vs pugs)

We play (as a guild raid) 3 days per week for 3.5h during primetime, on vivec. This is when other guilds and large groups are running and its our aim to fight them. I think people playing at other times or in low pop / low cp servers know the challenges they face (athough many have surprised me by being completely unaware recently).

Finally if people still think players in 12-16m raids only use 2 abilities its just funny at this point. Its the same as the players who comment about our videos despite clearly never having watched them based on what they are saying. XD

Arkangeloski wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Just ignore them until they are ready for a legitimate fight. They more than likely have better mobility than you and chasing them and landing the occasional attack is just making them stronger (zos logic).

@usmguy1234 msg me on console I have a question for you.

@Arkangeloski hey just saw your message. I sent you a pm.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Firstly thanks for the compliments for those that gave them.

For me at this stage in the game it's kind of irrelevant about whether a fight is won or lost and much more about how it is won or lost. I'd rather have a good battle but lose then just push over everything and face no challenges (ofc i'd rather win that challenge than lose it). That doesn't mean that running in to wipe somewhere is good gameplay nor means 'it was a challenge because you died' either.

Sometimes it's important to be able to farm a tower or top floor for 30m because based on who shows up it can make the fight varied and interesting however its quite common for us to stop farming top floors to actually add extra challenge to the situation for us. For example to try and take the keep from inside / taking the resource flag with pressure on us to change the fight up from doing the same thing.

As for the side aggression. I don't require anyone to enjoy our playstyle other than us as a guild. If we halved our recent group size we would be a much smaller group than in your recent videos @Irylia I thought you always said anything above 4 was a zerg
Also as you know (because you have the videos of us fighting on your channel) we did 8v8 gvg a couple of times and did fairly well.
As for 'fishing for vd procs' we are a magicka raid. If you think there is something more effective for magicka DD when you are facing 4x your numbers including organised enemy groups not just pugs and low cp players feel free to run it. Additionally the result would be the same without VD in most situations because its not actually VD which secures the most of our kills. (You can see this because stam raids work fine without VD and are actually probs better this patch especially vs pugs)

We play (as a guild raid) 3 days per week for 3.5h during primetime, on vivec. This is when other guilds and large groups are running and its our aim to fight them. I think people playing at other times or in low pop / low cp servers know the challenges they face (athough many have surprised me by being completely unaware recently).

Finally if people still think players in 12-16m raids only use 2 abilities its just funny at this point. Its the same as the players who comment about our videos despite clearly never having watched them based on what they are saying. XD

I agree with this. It is refreshing. You used to go takes keeps or resources on back lines where it would be only pugs to farm and claim you played the map but now i know where there is a DC/AD contested keep it's only a matter of time before you guys show up if your running. That's as hard as it gets fighting 2 factions.

Miriel wrote: »

So we might not have doors on towers anymore, but instead people enjoy the run around in Towers, technically abusing the LoS mechanic to not get hit, build ulti and dump... rince repeat...

What makes me sad is, that many of the player doing this is good players and when talking to them, their excuse is, its only viable to survive big groups, and thats not true, couse if you run into a bigger group with better players you still die, since they do the same... So technically this is just a way for the " good " players to prey on new players that might not understnad the LoS mechanics, and why ?

When PvP is in the bad shape it is, we can barely fill up ONE server, and you pick on the new, the people we should help get better ?, instead some of you take hours upon hours to do the same boring thing, run around in tower, abusing a LoS Mechanic... and if you face people that can fight you, you just try to run away, wich mostly just ends with you all getting picked off one by one, and if new players try to ask you, you usually just reply "git good"...

How about you guys git good and help pvp, help the new players... instead of being bottom feeders couse honestly, all you so called aces, pros and good players in small groups that pick on new, your just vultures in my opinion that avoid the better players !

Some teams are set in their way and run the same group and builds from 20 patches ago (and that's their choice, no judgement here), but there are others that adapt with the game, take on new players and teach them the mechanics and how to excel. If you're a new player or someone who wants to learn there are groups out there that will help you. We're not all bad guys!