Sevn wrote: »

programcanaan wrote: »

Having optimal gear and levels and complaining something is easy... hmmmm

Stop it, they worked hard for that gear and should be able to use it! Why on earth would you good folks suggest they nerf themselves when they can ask Zos to spend time and resources to do what they refuse to do!

It's not like buffing the npc's and nerfing oneself equals out to the same thing.

In all seriousness, Zos is not going to do any of that time consuming and resource draining suggestions folks are throwing out. The best thing you can expect is an artificial buff to npc's health and damage output which can be achieved by ta da, nerfing oneself. Worst case is they'll simply nerf all players. Thanks for that.

I can't understand folks that dismiss that this is a business and they make business decisions that are financially beneficial to their business. Making a completely new "vet" instance for a tiny fraction of hardcore gamers, for free I might add is not one of them.

I mean damn, they won't even balance PvP and pve separately because it would be too much work if my memory serves me correctly, you all really believe that they've any interest in creating new vet zones? Good luck with that...

if they would simply remove Robert Trump from their board of directors.I could see them having more resources to do that.With such a greedy sack of *** running things,yeah you are probably right.

Craglorn's overland content was difficult in the beginning and no one liked it. No one grouped for it.

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Craglorn's overland content was difficult in the beginning and no one liked it. No one grouped for it.

Yeah but that was group content and badly designed group quests.

Domander wrote: »

Just looking for questing content I can't complete with light attack, it's sad that there are players against that...

Overland questing is about being told a story and casual exploration, if you are looking for a challenge with a bit of questing that is what dungeons are for.

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

Odnoc wrote: »

Maybe RPG's aren't for the people who don't like story driven games?

I don't have a problem with it being story-driven. I have a problem with the content being so easy it literally puts me to sleep.

The joy of playing games is that they provide a sense of accomplishment. If you're about to tell me that the only reason for any future DLCs/expansion to exist is so that they can convey a story and provide no difficulty whatsoever then this game is on its death bed.

I guarantee you the sales numbers for Summerset will be pathetic, and the chief reason will be players like me just bailing on the game because we're tired of the same difficulty and content over and over again.

No, for YOU the joy of playing videogames is to get a sense of accomplishment. Videogames are a source of relaxing entertainment for many of us. A virtual book if you will. I don't read a novel and when finished feel any sense of accomplishment, videogames are no different, for some of us.

Sevn wrote: »

No, for YOU the joy of playing videogames is to get a sense of accomplishment. Videogames are a source of relaxing entertainment for many of us. A virtual book if you will. I don't read a novel and when finished feel any sense of accomplishment, videogames are no different, for some of us.

Well if their target demographic is people who want to be read a bed time story that's fine, they are admitting that with every piece of new content they make anyway as it's all the exact same difficulty as the stuff that came before it. They've made it clear that people who want some type of challenge are not wanted in this game.

I don't think asking for new content that doesn't snooze people to sleep is a big deal. The content is beyond trivial at this point, it literally puts people to sleep.

And by the way, if this wasn't a problem within the community there wouldn't be thread after thread, month after month, year after year of people talking about this. It's clear at this point that nothing is going to change. Like I said, I've already moved on, at this point when Zeni is wondering why their Summerset expansion sold like crap, they should look at this as the reason why.

iNSiPiD1 wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

No, for YOU the joy of playing videogames is to get a sense of accomplishment. Videogames are a source of relaxing entertainment for many of us. A virtual book if you will. I don't read a novel and when finished feel any sense of accomplishment, videogames are no different, for some of us.

Well if their target demographic is people who want to be read a bed time story that's fine, they are admitting that with every piece of new content they make anyway as it's all the exact same difficulty as the stuff that came before it. They've made it clear that people who want some type of challenge are not wanted in this game.

I don't think asking for new content that doesn't snooze people to sleep is a big deal. The content is beyond trivial at this point, it literally puts people to sleep.

And by the way, if this wasn't a problem within the community there wouldn't be thread after thread, month after month, year after year of people talking about this. It's clear at this point that nothing is going to change. Like I said, I've already moved on, at this point when Zeni is wondering why their Summerset expansion sold like crap, they should look at this as the reason why.

Plenty of different content to appease the playerbase, how many vet dungeons have you solo'd? Have you mastered vmael yet?

Challenges are there and it makes no sense to take resources from making content that us casual carebears who are the vast majority and want to be told a bedtime story and willing to pay top dollar for it to boot, to make content for a tiny fraction of players who use videogames to garner some type of accomplishment and want it done for free.

To be clear I have ZERO issue with players who are into virtual accomplishments, until they insist on taking resources or content from the rest of us. They have a budget and there is only so much that can be done in any given time.

Barely anyone has bothered with vet maelstrom, the harder dlc dungeons are ignored and you think it's a good business decision to use limited resources on making optional "vet" zones to appease a tiny fraction of the player base that will soon bore of that content within a month of it's release? And of course you want better rewards as well, which implies to me it's not about the challenge at all. For free I might add? Don't hold your breath.

These type of threads keep coming up because a fraction of the player base can't get it thru their head that overworld content isn't made for them and most likely never will.

You know you don't have to be here right?

Kalgert wrote: »

I really don't understand these "Muh overland challnge" people. Why do you want that in the first place?

I mean, as someone who gets shunned from Veteran Dungeons because of reasons, normal dungeons and overland stuff is my main method of doing game stuff, some of which is fairly enjoyable.

It sounds a lot like you are trying to take away something from a set of players.

It might sound like that because you're not reading the arguments correctly.

If players have the CHOICE to switch between normal and veteran overland what gets taken away?

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It might sound like that because you're not reading the arguments correctly.

If players have the CHOICE to switch between normal and veteran overland what gets taken away?
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Oh, I dunno the fact that I am subscribing to them to create relevant content for me, not the top 5%.

The gap just continues to grow but because of your option at a greatly magnified pace.

Aesthier wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

It might sound like that because you're not reading the arguments correctly.

If players have the CHOICE to switch between normal and veteran overland what gets taken away?

Oh, I dunno the fact that I am subscribing to them to create relevant content for me, not the top 5%.

The gap just continues to grow but because of your option at a greatly magnified pace.

They dont need to create content, its mostly a buff in stats and maybe some mechanics that are already in game.

Veteran overland doesnt have to be as difficult as veteran dungeons. Normal dungeons are more difficult to than quests/overland content so something between normal and vet dungeons would make the transition from normal to vet easier for new players like yourself.

The idea and intent is to reduce the skill gap and make veteran content better accessible for new players.

madchuska83 wrote: »

To have one Normal Overland mode and one Vet Overland mode would be great. However, it would require new megaservers. Which costs $$$. They'd have to set it up where you can choose NA/EU Vet servers, so 2 new servers for each platform. Never gonna happen, ever.

What makes you think it requires a new server?
There are already multiple instances of overland Tamriel, one of those could easily be veteran.

QuebraRegra wrote: »

it's called "POWER CREEP"... it's a thing.

It is called "old age" (people do get older) or in gamers lingo: skill.

Skill is something that people complaining about NPC being too easy to kill will develop when they have run the same content or dungeons/trials 500 times to get the perfect gear set with all traits in right places. Farmed all places where they could gain fast XP to get their CP grow up and beyond max level cap. And now they just find everything too easy...

I don't find WB very easy too solo...and I did solo a couple WB before they made a change to that for some time ago. With too many stop to get people to do the same content like killing a certain boss or a quest sequence where you can't continue because you don't have enough of people 24/7 to do the same stuff as you are doing it would likely create new problems. Large groups in one place in this game isn't good for how server performance work either way, so there is actually good reason to not go in that direction.

In GW2 they changed bosses to have a second health bar (break bar) which you needed to CC down (only CC abilities would damage this bar) and break bar is timed which means that you needed to have enough damage skills on your bar to be able to actually chop of health on main health bar before break bar would change status into an invulnerability phase, maybe heal up break bar (and regen health on main health). Break bar worked different on different type of bosses, it also increased "difficulty", but it didn't take long until a meta developed where one needed CC for break bar and conditions (DoTs) which work in background even when break bar was up blocking damage to health. Direct damage is only useful the very short time while break bar was broken. I don't want to see anything of this kind in this game as it just makes thing take longer to kill and in the end it will not stop players from becoming "bored" because they will find a new way to reduce what is intended to actually create a feeling of challenge, but ends up with only adding another layer of mechanics and a new level of power creeping.

Another important part in GW2 is how everything is running on a timer in that game. That way people know when to expect to show up for a world event (boss) or even in which sequence of quests, mobs and WB that needs to be killed to get to the final boss and reward. In ESO we don't have that kind of stress. We don't need to organise a group (even PUGs need to spend more time waiting (around 15-30 min) before event will even start to get into an active instance - enough player in one place at least to make server create an instance) and then actually get all player into an instance where everybody hopefully will be in the right place when event start.

Chained event can be fun when there is enough people to do these and there at least are some people that know what do, have right DPS and heals to keep PvE zerg alive and when to not have a chained world event to fail (or reset where you would need to wait until timer will start next again for event to start), which means that you actually use a lot of time just to get enough people to start an instance of that world event, get people to understand what to do and where to go or be (when fight starts those places will be closed off from access by tp system). Before Heart of Thorns (GW2s "chapter" or "expansion") you did only have a larger world boss on timer in most zones which also had an impact on that zones enviroment, there where some more complex WB which worked like chained event where things needed to be done in right order to success. The main difference here is that you would be kicked out of that instance to the beginning of that world boss chain when last WB had been killed or group/zerg failed to kill boss within the given time frame. Meaning zerg would need to have enough alive player to DPS down boss(es). Large AoEs combined with CC from boss can fast wipe out a large population fast (resurrection player become more important here as with an enviroment where there is winding passages, poison on ground and full with hostile enemies from spawn point and back to zerg it will take time to get back in the right spot with zerg. A large part in those chained event is actually to move as a zerg or position smaller groups around on different parts of map to keep group alive, resurrect player, cleanse DoTs/soft CC and do damage when possible.

Why is all this relevant to discussion about difficulty in ESO over world? Well with GW2 HoT there where a large jump in difficulty for how the new zones worked with mechanics where NPCs make more use of (AoE) poision, stealth and CC. WB became much more chained events where everything in that zone now works on a timer, so even solo player have to watch timer to be able to finish farming or doing things in that zone before they also will be kicked out. After some time player adopted and now it is considered "boring" for those veteran player as those have now got (better) gear to handle mechanics, better understanding of what is going in general and got better skills (as in routine for how NPC/mobs and bosses work).



In short changing how overworld ESO work in making it more of "challenge" would not get us anywhere and could end up with "dead zones" when there is not enough player to do that stuff any more, it will most likely create a faster power jump between those more experienced player and already have enough resources to adopt (collected gear, mats, gold or any other token which can be used for gear and crafting or access to guild/friends that can provide help with crafting ).

Quests progression might also become blocked, if there would be too much of a challenge which includes to get past bosses with health sponges or massive mobs with larger area of DoTs (poison)/CC/stealth mechanics (and we already have problems in ESO with how dungeons work (player kicking other players in HM and vet dungeons where low level CP have problems to get experience to actually get better by learn mechanics, know what gear and skill that work for that content or to at least do story content with reward connected which most vets already have gained from being early in those places) and "chaining" events of some kind is the most likely outcome to make a challenge on overworld which again isn't necessary in a positive direction for this game.