The Skill which shall not be named

Apherius · April 2017

you forgot some other useless morph for sorc
- crystal blast
- empowered ward
- lightning flood

Xvorg · April 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

I'm glad someone took the time to criticize Leeching Strikes, lol. What does the morph give as a buff? The skill becomes a toggle, so you don't have to hit square every 21 seconds. The cost? A 20% reduction to weapon AND spell power.

What a dip[poop] ability. In exchange for a single button mash every 21 seconds you give up power that requires 144 champion points to recoup.

Er...let me weight this...do I want 144 CPs, or do I want to bypass a button push every 21'seconds? This is a hard choice! Can someone tag Wroebel and the dev team?? I need internal performance numbers before I can figure out the math on whether giving up 144 champion points to save a few button mashes makes sense.

@EmEm_Oh For empty soul gems I spend a point in the passivemthe has a 10% chance to fill it when you kill an enemy. It's a skill point...but skill points are cheap. I sell my stacks of filled soul gems for $10k/200 in the stores.

Leeching strikes is a great PVE skill

Put it on a mageblade with a lit staff and will do wonders on heavy attacks.

Xvorg · April 2017

Asardes wrote: »

DPS skill morphs that no one uses:
2H: Forward momentum
2W: Whirling Blades

Moemtum is a great skill.

WW blades used to have its uses. If it recovers stam as it used to do it and not just giving a buff should make it ok again.

Any stamDK will be able to run it together GDB and helping hands and never running OOS

mtwiggz · April 2017

b4nn3d7337 wrote: »

Donteven get me started with blood altar and soul trap... i mean ... they can take those 2 skils out of the game and no one would even noticed.

Blood Alter is the best group PvP heal in the game. It's a shame more groups don't run it.

EmEm_Oh · April 2017

I second the Blood Altar. I used it with my other character in a few dungeons and does work in PvP situations, especially inner-door sieges. But it just depends on what you like to use. I don't use it all the time.

Joy_Division · April 2017

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

utb99 wrote: »

Every class has that one skill or morph that almost never sees the light of day
Sorcs have Daedric Tomb (I see this every now and then but its rare)
DKs have Fragmented Shield (tbh both morphs look the same so I can't really tell them apart in the chaos of Cyrodiil but I'm certain Obsidian is far more popular)
Nightblades have Manifestation of Terror (I see this maybe half a dozen times each patch and its always amusing)
But there is one morph which is all elusive, one which draws confusion even among veterans upon seeing this skill.
This is.... Solar Barrage. I showed this skills to some of my friends who like I have played for a while (we have around 800 CP to put in some perspective) and they had no idea what move that was.
I've played ESO since 1.6, I have NEVER seen any templar uses this morph. Hell I've seen unmorphed Solar Flare a couple of times. Even Healing Ritual and its subpar morphs see more use than SB. Maybe I saw a lvl 12 Templar in a zerg using Solar Barrage, but thats probably only because he chose the wrong morph and he didn't have the gold to respec...
Literally the only other class ability I think is worse and less used is Leeching Strikes! Honestly both these skills are so under the radar I don't see any mention of them on the forums lol.

Speaking for myself, I stopped bringing up craptastic morphs because I got tired of being told by players with far less experience than I that I had no idea of what I was talking about and failed to appreciate its nuanced virtues.

With Solar Barrage specifically, I had a PvE tank tell me that it was a good spell to grab aggro .. apparently because Caltops, a spell with a much wider and longer lasting AoE, is worse?

But if you are looking for bad morphs, Solar Barrage I'm not sure is in the top 3. Crystal Blast. From the Templar's own skilline, Total Dark is probably the most inefficient skill in the entire game. Power Slam is terrible in comparison to reverb bash. Blessing of Restoration will get you kicked out of raids. The worst is probably Elemental Susceptibility. Who can't keep up a 20 second buff?

I murdered myself to Total Dark once. Only time I've ever seen it used, I was wondering how the guy bursted me so fast, then on the recap it showed my heavy attack, poison injection(tick), draining shot. That skill is so freaking niche that its ignored by everyone. It shuts down any true ranged builds though entirely.

All you have to do is CC break and then you gain immunity from it and all CC effects for 7 seconds.

Aha I see, good to know, never encountered it in combat before, never needed to know it. After I encountered it I read the tooltip and thought it was ridiculously OP versus any ranged build, did not know it could be negated with CC break.

Fair enough. There's a reason you haven't encountered it before

I do agree it's not obvious that a yellow ball surrounding you is an adequate signal to CC break (FYI you cant CC break a Power of the Light spell!). But we all have to learn the other classes we don't play. Now that you know what Eclipse does, it's pretty easy to deal with in the future.

Minalan · April 2017

Apherius wrote: »

you forgot some other useless morph for sorc
- crystal blast
- empowered ward
- lightning flood

Empowered ward is the PVE shield. It's plenty big enough, it lasts longer (allowing full DOT apply rotations), and it gives the entire group a minor intellect buff.

Asardes · April 2017

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

DPS skill morphs that no one uses:
2H: Forward momentum
2W: Whirling Blades

Moemtum is a great skill.

WW blades used to have its uses. If it recovers stam as it used to do it and not just giving a buff should make it ok again.

Any stamDK will be able to run it together GDB and helping hands and never running OOS

You can get the same snare removal and immunity from shuffle, which most people running MA will run anyway in PvP. The extra burst heal from rally helps much more. I run ingenous + rally + vigor on my Stamina DK and I can stay alive with no troubles. I will be dropping my final 2 pieces of HA and go 7/7 MA when I finish farming my sets.

Minno · April 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

DPS skill morphs that no one uses:
2H: Forward momentum
2W: Whirling Blades

Moemtum is a great skill.

WW blades used to have its uses. If it recovers stam as it used to do it and not just giving a buff should make it ok again.

Any stamDK will be able to run it together GDB and helping hands and never running OOS

You can get the same snare removal and immunity from shuffle, which most people running MA will run anyway in PvP. The extra burst heal from rally helps much more. I run ingenous + rally + vigor on my Stamina DK and I can stay alive with no troubles. I will be dropping my final 2 pieces of HA and go 7/7 MA when I finish farming my sets.

Unless you are a mag class. Shuffle costs 5k -6k per cast and your Stam pool is only 15k. Break free costs less lol.

FW is better if not vamp because with 21% cost reduction two hander passive (lol Stam is totally not OP) you get a 2000 cost ability that will give you passive snare immunity for 8 seconds so you can heal/attack/move at will.

Until a similar snare immunity + cost reduction + insane dmg stack doesn't exist for magicka classes, stamina will forever overperform against mag class in PvP do to the fact their defenses don't have to contract their dmg pool.

utb99 · April 2017

Aurora Javelin vs. Lighting stun?

Both cost alot, both can be shuffled

Javelin does slighty more base damage, does more dmg based on range, procs burning light, and has superior range

D. Clench stuns longer, leaves a DoT, and can proc concussion.

With Auroa you can run DW and have more overall dps.

With D. Clench you have to run a L. Staff so you lose Single Target DPS but you get OP Destro.

Imo, jav is better

Sublime · April 2017

utb99 wrote: »

But there is one morph which is all elusive, one which draws confusion even among veterans upon seeing this skill.
This is.... Solar Barrage. I showed this skills to some of my friends who like I have played for a while (we have around 800 CP to put in some perspective) and they had no idea what move that was.
I've played ESO since 1.6, I have NEVER seen any templar uses this morph. Hell I've seen unmorphed Solar Flare a couple of times. Even Healing Ritual and its subpar morphs see more use than SB. Maybe I saw a lvl 12 Templar in a zerg using Solar Barrage, but thats probably only because he chose the wrong morph and he didn't have the gold to respec...
Literally the only other class ability I think is worse and less used is Leeching Strikes! Honestly both these skills are so under the radar I don't see any mention of them on the forums lol.

Looks like you've never been in a non-vet templar-only raid.

Isbilen · April 2017

Draxys wrote: »

Ugh fragmented shield.... I miss frag shield spam meta

30K damage before the number inflation. That would be 300K today. It was awesome! Entire ball groups dying to Fragmented Shield lol.

Asardes · April 2017

Minno wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

DPS skill morphs that no one uses:
2H: Forward momentum
2W: Whirling Blades

Moemtum is a great skill.

WW blades used to have its uses. If it recovers stam as it used to do it and not just giving a buff should make it ok again.

Any stamDK will be able to run it together GDB and helping hands and never running OOS

You can get the same snare removal and immunity from shuffle, which most people running MA will run anyway in PvP. The extra burst heal from rally helps much more. I run ingenous + rally + vigor on my Stamina DK and I can stay alive with no troubles. I will be dropping my final 2 pieces of HA and go 7/7 MA when I finish farming my sets.

Unless you are a mag class. Shuffle costs 5k -6k per cast and your Stam pool is only 15k. Break free costs less lol.

FW is better if not vamp because with 21% cost reduction two hander passive (lol Stam is totally not OP) you get a 2000 cost ability that will give you passive snare immunity for 8 seconds so you can heal/attack/move at will.

Until a similar snare immunity + cost reduction + insane dmg stack doesn't exist for magicka classes, stamina will forever overperform against mag class in PvP do to the fact their defenses don't have to contract their dmg pool.

Well, I was obviously talking about a stamina build since no magicka build would use rally/forward momentum, which is from the 2H skill tree. I was simply emphasizing Forward Momentum is not picked by stamina users instead of Rally because they run Shuffle anyway, which gives the same utility as the former.

Minno · April 2017

Asardes wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

DPS skill morphs that no one uses:
2H: Forward momentum
2W: Whirling Blades

Moemtum is a great skill.

WW blades used to have its uses. If it recovers stam as it used to do it and not just giving a buff should make it ok again.

Any stamDK will be able to run it together GDB and helping hands and never running OOS

You can get the same snare removal and immunity from shuffle, which most people running MA will run anyway in PvP. The extra burst heal from rally helps much more. I run ingenous + rally + vigor on my Stamina DK and I can stay alive with no troubles. I will be dropping my final 2 pieces of HA and go 7/7 MA when I finish farming my sets.

Unless you are a mag class. Shuffle costs 5k -6k per cast and your Stam pool is only 15k. Break free costs less lol.

FW is better if not vamp because with 21% cost reduction two hander passive (lol Stam is totally not OP) you get a 2000 cost ability that will give you passive snare immunity for 8 seconds so you can heal/attack/move at will.

Until a similar snare immunity + cost reduction + insane dmg stack doesn't exist for magicka classes, stamina will forever overperform against mag class in PvP do to the fact their defenses don't have to contract their dmg pool.

Well, I was obviously talking about a stamina build since no magicka build would use rally/forward momentum, which is from the 2H skill tree. I was simply emphasizing Forward Momentum is not picked by stamina users instead of Rally because they run Shuffle anyway, which gives the same utility as the former.

Yea I know. Just adding in how disadvantaged a magplar is with current sources of mobility/snare removal.

Though running two hander just for the snare immunity isn't terrible, I just don't get the full benefits like a stam class does.

imapogostick · April 2017

I actually use solar barrage on my zerg buster. proxy, > unstable core on like 2 ppl > explosive charge, > spam barrage to get the empower for each of the previously casted spells. run away with hod/extended ritual. and repeat.

worsttankever · April 2017

imapogostick wrote: »

I actually use solar barrage on my zerg buster. proxy, > unstable core on like 2 ppl > explosive charge, > spam barrage to get the empower for each of the previously casted spells. run away with hod/extended ritual. and repeat.

Does empower work like that? That you can cast proximity detonation, and then empower, and when the proxy det goes off it will be empowered??

Minno · April 2017

worsttankever wrote: »

imapogostick wrote: »

I actually use solar barrage on my zerg buster. proxy, > unstable core on like 2 ppl > explosive charge, > spam barrage to get the empower for each of the previously casted spells. run away with hod/extended ritual. and repeat.

Does empower work like that? That you can cast proximity detonation, and then empower, and when the proxy det goes off it will be empowered??

Usually it's before the spell is cast. This is a good question though, I'm not sure myself off the answer.