no punishment for outposts flipping

frozywozy · April 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We just completed a mass action on a few hundred accounts that were involved in regular coordinated cross-alliance AP farming. Specifically, swapping resources and keeps to farm high amounts of AP in a short period of time. Not only does this behavior harm our PvP gameplay and community, but it is also a Terms of Service violation. Accounts found taking part in cross-alliance AP farming may be subject to disciplinary actions.

Here’s the break-down of the accounts we took action on and where they were:
PC/Mac – Europe: 170 accounts

PlayStation 4 – Europe: 42 accounts

PlayStation 4 – North America: 39 accounts

Xbox One – Europe: 50 accounts

Xbox One – North America: 61 accounts

Those involved have received a three-day suspension at minimum and removal of all AP from their accounts. If you were involved, you have received an email with an official warning.

Thank you to everyone who reported this exploit. Please help us keep ESO’s PvP content fun, competitive, and fair for all.

Magdalina · April 2017

WOW. *rubs eyes to make sure she isn't dreaming this up* *post still there*
Bans?! PUBLIC bans?! Bans for exploiting outpost flipping?! ...can we please have more?

That's AWESOME if you ask me.

I do think it needs to be more and their rank needs to be taken too(plus there's probably way, way more people you could ban for this), but I'd like to think it's simply trying to tread lightly and not overdo things in the start. That's a step in the right direction that frankly was no longer expected at this point.

Good job. Like really and unexpectedly good job ZOS. And special thank you to relaying this to community @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, I'm hoping that all the positive reaction you see to this convinces you(I mean "you" as a company not you as a specific person here as it's probably not up to you to decide, but ought to be up to you to tell up there how much we love this

) to do something like this and, most importantly, share this information with us more often. It is appreciated.

forgottengd · April 2017

Meneltor wrote: »

Well done to the developers! We need more bans, and some without the ban go)

SERIOUS????????????
Your friends didn't report you and you dare to open your mouth here?
OKEY
Who is this? oh it's you! and you didn't get ban! N1 job, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

skvll · April 2017

forgottengd wrote: »

Meneltor wrote: »

Well done to the developers! We need more bans, and some without the ban go)

SERIOUS????????????
Your friends didn't report you and you dare to open your mouth here?
OKEY
Who is this? oh it's you! and you didn't get ban! N1 job, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

https://media0.giphy.com/media/zZ9YYXnXXpGY8/200_s.gif

Ch4mpTW · April 2017

Wollust wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

All it would have taken to stop it was to take down the server on monday back in the beginning of march, do a hotfix to reduce the ap gain on taking outposts and that would have been it. Everyone would have gotten the message and would have gone back to normal pvp

To do action like this now, makes all time spent on this game seem like a waste of time tbh

Just take it like a man instead of trying to justify it.
Pathetic.

@Wollust You're quickly becoming 1 of my favorite posters to read on these forums. Kudos to you, and let us swim in the tears of the exploiters.

technohic · April 2017

Dis gonna be gud

Iyas · April 2017

Yuke wrote: »

So, where is the guy who threatened ZOS with a lawsuit?

Pls can someone search for him and Tag him. Im too lazy though

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2017

The PvP community would like to see more bans for exploits. We appreciate the feedback and steps taken to discourage cheating. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Arsenex · April 2017

So fair enough for the ban and all all that. wonder if they take emp rank away from those who got it.

and what @ZOS_JessicaFolsom will happen to the AP and emp people got after all this cheating? will they Loose it even if they played the game fair?

and also put in mind that most of the banned players whish the pvp wasnt broke and they could play normally. So good to put an example out there, but next time jsut fix the problem faster by banning some of the first!

WhiteMage · April 2017

I approve.

DaveMoeDee · April 2017

skvll wrote: »

SolidusPrime wrote: »

Guys, just because they didn't lose their ranks and things they bought doesn't mean that "nothing happened". Yes, it would have been nice, but I guarantee people won't be so quick to exploit the next time an opportunity arises. Plus, these people now have an extra ToS violation on their account - some were banned, and others are one step closer to it.

Either way it's a step in the right direction

i can understand but.. there are people here (not me) who plaied a lot for their ranks, a PvP ranks give u a title (maybe someone is proud of his pvp rank), new Dyes (yes, i like dye my armor u.u), they can buy stuff for their house... well, i can understand for a lot of people these things are useless... but maybe someone else likes that.

People who get their joy from trying to impress others with titles or clothing are doomed to be unhappy.

frozywozy · April 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

@Blobsky here you go buddy

Heart Blob used flipping to finish off his grand overlord title.

My entire time at bleakers was spent killing the flippers, organising multiple raids to stop the events and reporting players - feel free to actually check my livestream some time to see the previous broadcasts including these videos, I live stream 90% of my online playtime

@texassob @Ron_Burgundy_79 Burgundy Celebration is in order, lets get the champagne

Well done Blob, cheers man!

texassob · April 2017

boosters acting like they did nothing wrong lol

pmn100b16_ESO · April 2017

Get Rekt Scrubs

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2017

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom nice to see action taken like this. I hoped for more as I'm sure others did too (mainly rank and ap> gold removal) but it's a good start and shows ppl on other servers that this type of thing isn't ok. Hopefully will keep the pvp community more focused in actual pvp.
Thanks

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

So can we finally assume all AP boosting is against the rules now ? Resource flipping , feeding kills to other players for emp also ?

Valencer · April 2017

Blobsky wrote: »

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

@Blobsky here you go buddy

Heart Blob used flipping to finish off his grand overlord title.

My entire time at bleakers was spent killing the flippers, organising multiple raids to stop the events and reporting players - feel free to actually check my livestream some time to see the previous broadcasts including these videos, I live stream 90% of my online playtime

@texassob @Ron_Burgundy_79 Burgundy Celebration is in order, lets get the champagne

Nice thing about playing AP police is that you get to operate within tick range while feeling good about it...

Turelus · April 2017

texassob wrote: »

boosters acting like they did nothing wrong lol

Well ZOS did set a precedent for three years that action would not be taken against those who did.

Still I think they dealt with it right with temp bans and removal of AP. I wish the achievements/ranks could be undone but I guess that's harder.

Either way this is finally something which will start to curb the exploiting culture as it's an active showing that they're taking such actions.

frozywozy · April 2017

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0JzJ9mbe6M&feature=youtu.be&t=379 (06:19 if timestamp is broken) @ZOS_RichLambert Rich trollbert knew this behavior would happen, decided to go forward with it anyway into homestead, and kept it up for double AP week, then 1 month later take action on accounts

Here is a quote from the ESO Live stream at the exact time when @ZOS_BrianWheeler mentioned for the first time that he would not only double the AP gain from killing and healing people but also for capturing objectives.

When I heard that, I kept asking in chat a good dozen of time during the last 45mins of the event : "Will there be any measure to counter the incoming outposts flipping that is going to happen on empty campaigns?" Got no answer from anybody.

Then abit later, I asked one of my contacts to ask @ZOS_RichLambert if there was any measure to counter such a thing problem and he said there was actually nothing in place.

I really wish community managers and lead designers / developers would communicate with active players a little bit more in the near future before releasing big dramatic changes like this to avoid things like this to happen again.

Also like @lyas said, the least would be to reset their alliance rank to where it originally was prior of the Double AP week because nobody did that to earn alot of AP, everybody did it to aquire those easy Alliance ranks.

The worst exploiters on the PC EU leaderboards were up to 25 millions APs at the end of the double AP week which is a little bit less than what is equivalent to half way to Grand Overlord (64m APs). Their ranks should be reset to penalize them and to bring justice to people who got Grand Overlord legitimately through the last 3years.

texassob · April 2017

Turelus wrote: »

texassob wrote: »

boosters acting like they did nothing wrong lol

Well ZOS did set a precedent for three years that action would not be taken against those who did.

Still I think they dealt with it right with temp bans and removal of AP. I wish the achievements/ranks could be undone but I guess that's harder.

Either way this is finally something which will start to curb the exploiting culture as it's an active showing that they're taking such actions.

i agree

texassob · April 2017

Valencer wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Br1ckst0n wrote: »

@Blobsky here you go buddy

Heart Blob used flipping to finish off his grand overlord title.

My entire time at bleakers was spent killing the flippers, organising multiple raids to stop the events and reporting players - feel free to actually check my livestream some time to see the previous broadcasts including these videos, I live stream 90% of my online playtime

@texassob @Ron_Burgundy_79 Burgundy Celebration is in order, lets get the champagne

Nice thing about playing AP police is that you get to operate within tick range while feeling good about it...

someones salty as usual haters gonna hate

Rohamad_Ali · April 2017

Their alliance titles should be reset below recruit to Faction Traitor for betraying the kill on site orders of the NPC Quest givers and General's . Since the like "Roleplaying" so much .

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2017

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Their alliance titles should be reset below recruit to Faction Traitor for betraying the kill on site orders of the NPC Quest givers and General's . Since the like "Roleplaying" so much .

I'll second that idea.

Beesting · April 2017

after giving it some thought i would be absolutely ok with losing all the ap that i gained in that wasted week of my life on the eu haderus campain. I mean i took a week off work, that is really all i lost

But it would only be fair if all the ap that was earned by any player on that campain during that week would be taken away as well. As everyone was participating in the roleplay flipping, in or around the keep. Afk or not , pretenting to be ap police or not

If the pvp community really cares about justice than this would be ok for everyone involved

Also, if people made 15 million ap in that week on that campain, listed on leaderboards or not, and they have spent /laundered the ap on motives, loot boxes etc, than they should have a negative 15 million ap number on that char so all future ap will be counted towards paying off the ap debt

Only this way it would be fair. I consider cheating being afk, i was not afk, i was not even flipping the flags myself, was just playing on the campain that gave the best return on invested time

So to single out 170 players were i know at least 1500 gained from it is not justice for all and nothing to applaud

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Rickter · April 2017

Why is everyone celebrating.

These guys got a three day ban.

Why werent their AvA ranks removed? seriously this was weak sauce. Every single one of them knew this was breaking the ToS and their punishment wasa measly slap on the wrist?

So a kid in college who plagiarizes on their big end of year paper shouldnt get expelled?

QuebraRegra · April 2017

can we get AP shared across all characters of an account on the same faction?

Humphie · April 2017

Beesting wrote: »

after giving it some thought i would be absolutely ok with losing all the ap that i gained in that wasted week of my life on the eu haderus campain. I mean i took a week off work, that is really all i lost

But it would only be fair if all the ap that was earned by any player on that campain during that week would be taken away as well. As everyone was participating in the roleplay flipping, in or around the keep. Afk or not , pretenting to be ap police or not

If the pvp community really cares about justice than this would be ok for everyone involved

Also, if people made 15 million ap in that week on that campain, listed on leaderboards or not, and they have spent /laundered the ap on motives, loot boxes etc, than they should have a negative 15 million ap number on that char so all future ap will be counted towards paying off the ap debt

Only this way it would be fair. I consider cheating being afk, i was not afk, i was not even flipping the flags myself, was just playing on the campain that gave the best return on invested time

So to single out 170 players were i know at least 1500 gained from it is not justice for all and nothing to applaud

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Man, stop crying. Nobody here will feel sorry. No zos folks will answer you. All you do, is make a fool of yourself. For real....suck it up.
You exploited, live with the consequences.

Nifty2g · April 2017

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MyNameIsElias wrote: »

Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

That was it for today, but we're watching.

As I found out today, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom loves playing bad cop

ScooberSteve · April 2017

Ive seen people jump 20 ranks in a few short weeks yeah no farming here

Elsonso · April 2017

frozywozy wrote: »

When I heard that, I kept asking in chat a good dozen of time during the last 45mins of the event : "Will there be any measure to counter the incoming outposts flipping that is going to happen on empty campaigns?" Got no answer from anybody.

And look! Today you got your answer.