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no punishment for outposts flipping

  • technohic
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    TBH; I was nervous at first that a lot of players would have been booted and population of Cyrodiil would drop at first. Turns out I didn't have much to worry about personally being on PC NA but I am glad they are doing this. People need to know they should play as intended, otherwise; game designers change their systems or eliminate some due to kill trading or win trading. This is why we can't have nice things.

    Hopefully the majority were not permabans and they get back in the fight as intended they probably were most of the time anyway with lessons learned
  • Arthg
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    ZOS taking action and letting us know about it is, well, just WOW when we take a look at their record.
    It's a big improvement, and I'll drink to it: thanks ZOS, it's much appreciated.

    As many others have said, however, ranks should be rolled back, and the exploiters who bought motifs or spent their APs on overland armour boxes to sell them basically walk away scot-free... and rich.

    Petty criminals have been caught, but crime still pays, I'm afraid :/
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  • MyNameIsElias
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    technohic wrote: »
    PC NA be all like
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    Heh - please understand we aren't saying no one on PC NA did this, but they weren't among the top offenders. The coordinated AP farming behavior is almost nonexistent on PC NA compared to the other servers.

    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.
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    Anhedonie wrote: »
    No PC NA?
    Yeah, right.

    The coordinated cross-alliance AP farming is not as prolific on PC NA as it is on all the other servers. Today we took action on the worst offenders, none of which were on PC NA.

    Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)

    The population on PC NA is just amazing! <3
  • Iyas
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    technohic wrote: »
    PC NA be all like
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    Heh - please understand we aren't saying no one on PC NA did this, but they weren't among the top offenders. The coordinated AP farming behavior is almost nonexistent on PC NA compared to the other servers.

    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this
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  • Beesting
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    The thing that people seem to miss it that the real offenders, those that knew they were doing somethinh wrong, quickly spent / laundered the ap they earned so there is nothing to take away

    Which leaves me, an honest player thay did not play for 14 months (i did play everyday for almost two years since launch) and did not know what was normal in pvp at the time of joining the keep flipping and did not spent hardly any of the ap i earned during the double ap week as one of the few victims of this disciplinary action. I spent many many months pvp ing for hours every evening to earn the ap in 2015 and did not spent it. 9 million ap it was.

    So now to read that will be taken away is quite shocking. Maybe it is time for another 14 month break...

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please look into individual cases....
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  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

    That was it for today, but we're watching.

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  • Pchela
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    Good on you, ZOS. :)
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    technohic wrote: »
    PC NA be all like
    guilty_angel.jpg

    Heh - please understand we aren't saying no one on PC NA did this, but they weren't among the top offenders. The coordinated AP farming behavior is almost nonexistent on PC NA compared to the other servers.

    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

    @MyNameIsElias
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3961310#Comment_3961310
    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    A three-day suspension for outright TOS violation? And we want them back... why?

    If this was their first offense, they got a three-day suspension and lose all their AP as a warning. If they do it again, it'll be a ban. Some who had previous TOS violations were permanently banned.

    Will there be more bans incoming for the same event? Asking for a friend o:)

    If your friend wasn't actioned this time, they weren't one of the top offenders. We hope this friend takes recent events to heart and doesn't partake in this activity in the future. ;)

    I read that as... this is the only ban wave for this occurrence. Of course, if anyone keeps it up, there could be ban waves in the future.
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  • Lieblingsjunge
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    Watching players make excuses and lame justification of their bans though.
    This is glorious. Just glorious.

    Thank you Zeni <3
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  • technohic
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    Are we assuming that all AP being taken way is meaning the currency? I read it as the actual AP that is the ranking.
  • Iyas
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    Beesting wrote: »
    The thing that people seem to miss it that the real offenders, those that knew they were doing somethinh wrong, quickly spent / laundered the ap they earned so there is nothing to take away

    Which leaves me, an honest player thay did not play for 14 months (i did play everyday for almost two years since launch) and did not know what was normal in pvp at the time of joining the keep flipping and did not spent hardly any of the ap i earned during the double ap week as one of the few victims of this disciplinary action. I spent many many months pvp ing for hours every evening to earn the ap in 2015 and did not spent it. 9 million ap it was.

    So now to read that will be taken away is quite shocking. Maybe it is time for another 14 month break...

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom please look into individual cases....

    So your excuse is that you thought flipping keeps on an empty campaign is pvp now?

    Try to think of a better excuse
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  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.
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  • bstag
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    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

    That was it for today, but we're watching.

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  • Turelus
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    This is good to hear, as someone who campaigned against this I am happy that ZOS took action.
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  • Wrecking_Gorilla
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    What about the gold gained and unearned titles/achievements? Just goes to show that cheating pays and your only penalty is a three day vacation.
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.

    Are you taking action on all the players that took part in the VMOL glitch?
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  • Ch4mpTW
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    bstag wrote: »
    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

    That was it for today, but we're watching.

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  • Syntse
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    Br1ckst0n wrote: »
    @Blobsky here you go buddy

    Heart Blob used flipping to finish off his grand overlord title.

    Sure he did get his title while trying to kill the flippers most of the time and trying to organize party to make it stop. Watched his stream those couple of days and what he got was basically the couple last ranks. Where many people went tens of ranks. Also he immediately left the whole thing once he hit rank 49. Guess since he is streamer he got reported way more than others.
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    Will more people get banned or was there only 1 wave.

    That was it for today, but we're watching.

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  • Kilandros
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom What about the people who were flipping Black Boot Mine on PC/NA? That was quite prolific and I believe someone gave you guys a video with the names of people who spent days there.
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  • Iyas
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.

    I cant understand your reasoning to go easy on cheaters but thanks for the explanation!
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  • Wollust
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    They should lose their ranks. Just so that the time people spent there would be wasted for nothing. Nobody really cares about having AP or not. It's easy to get it anyway.
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  • relaxed83
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.

    Will they also loose their titles? Seems like somethign they should loose as well since it was gained against ToS...They should all by Tyros again.
  • MyNameIsElias
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    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0JzJ9mbe6M&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=379 (06:19 if timestamp is broken) @ZOS_RichLambert Rich trollbert knew this behavior would happen, decided to go forward with it anyway into homestead, and kept it up for double AP week, then 1 month later take action on accounts :trollface:
    Edited by MyNameIsElias on 3 April 2017 19:37
  • Cinbri
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    Iyas wrote: »
    As youre hanging out here atm. Are you considering to reset the ranks of the offenders? I mean that was the only reason to exploit this

    As this is the first time we've publicly taken mass action on accounts for this behavior, we've kept it to a three-day suspensions and removal of all AP from the top offenders.
    Well, it means nothing was done. Coz they kept reward of exploiting(ranks) and AP they got already were traded to gold, i.e. nothing was taken away..
  • AbraXuSeXile
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    Beesting wrote: »
    Wow, i cannot believe this, i also got suspended. I came back to the game especially because i read on the forums there was a double ap event going on.

    I had taken a 14 month break from the game and took the whole week off to pvp as much as i could, i slept only 4 hours a day and not for 1 second did i use macro's and sh*t like many many afk others did so they would not be disconnected.

    Also, i read all ap will be taken off my account, which is really unfair because i had 9 million ap on my 2 chars from 14 months ago which took me many months of playing every evening to collect.

    Just because i did not spend it on motives or pvp vendor boxes i will be punished and robbed dry while others (in my eyes the real offenders that started this keep flipping) just spent all the ap and get away with it

    This is not a way to welcome returning players, i mean surely you can take a large amount of the ap that was earned at an inflated rate, but not all the ap, i mean i played actively many many hours and also months before hand to earn it

    @ZOS_GinaBruno please look a bit more into each individual case, it is only 170 people that are suspended and it took you weeks to take action.
    I would have prefered it if you had taken down the servers on the second day so i could have continued with my life, work, sleep etc.

    Get rekt
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  • Beesting
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    All it would have taken to stop it was to take down the server on monday back in the beginning of march, do a hotfix to reduce the ap gain on taking outposts and that would have been it. Everyone would have gotten the message and would have gone back to normal

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom i honestly believed zos upped the amount of ap because of the stress test week that was going on and did not care about the ap gains of individual players.
    As the aim of the week seemed to be the stress test and it worked because players were mass gathering on bleakers/nikel and fighting for hours on end. Their was a hour long queue on the campain, that is how many people on eu participated.

    It was confusing to say the least that the stresstest was done , and allowing the flipping without a hotfix made it look like it was on purpose to draw players into the action.

    To do action like this now, makes all time spent on this game seem like a waste of time tbh
    Edited by Beesting on 3 April 2017 19:48
    Beesting, Bosmer Magica DK, AD EU, crafter
    Slager, Dunmer Magica DK, DC EU, pvp
    Farmer, Dunmer Magica DK, AD EU, trials build

    Every major patch looks like the end of the world but somehow i just cannot stop playing.
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    Beesting wrote: »
    All it would have taken to stop it was to take down the server on monday back in the beginning of march, do a hotfix to reduce the ap gain on taking outposts and that would have been it. Everyone would have gotten the message and would have gone back to normal pvp

    To do action like this now, makes all time spent on this game seem like a waste of time tbh

    Or how about you dont exploit?
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    Beesting wrote: »
    All it would have taken to stop it was to take down the server on monday back in the beginning of march, do a hotfix to reduce the ap gain on taking outposts and that would have been it. Everyone would have gotten the message and would have gone back to normal pvp

    To do action like this now, makes all time spent on this game seem like a waste of time tbh

    Just take it like a man instead of trying to justify it.
    Pathetic.
    Susano'o

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