What will you do with your Sorc after update 13?

Durham · January 2017

Playing magicka sorc in pvp is miserable for me ... you spend your entire game play casting shields every 5 to 6 secs .... I hate this aspec... hats off to those of you that play this class....

Lord-Otto · January 2017

Try to adapt to the changes

That's only the tip of the iceberg. Shields, funnily, are the only thing left we excel at.

Biro123 · January 2017

Durham wrote: »

Playing magicka sorc in pvp is miserable for me ... you spend your entire game play casting shields every 5 to 6 secs .... I hate this aspec... hats off to those of you that play this class....

5-6 secs isn't too bad.. its when its 1-2 secs when under heavy pressure. To get away from that, I think the way to go is to either 'protect' the shields to make them last longer. Stuff like Pirate skeleton - or bumping up stam regen and dodge-rolls to avoid a few attacks (perhaps even shuffle too) - or go heavy armour /impen for decent passive resists under your shields so you can afford to let them drop for a little (or even a lot if not being attacked).

I'm not convinced that massive shields alone are the meta for sorc survivability.

Aedaryl · January 2017

Continue to play as it is

I can't believe what I read

1) Shield stacking is broken, because it's so easy to survive with it, 25k shield is too much, just look how much time it take to kill a decent sorc, defensive ability should be something active, like dodge roll, not passive thing you put on your back bar to refresh every 6s like a dot or a buff. Sorc should refresh shield as an active defence in front bar, to react againts some things, not refresh at the end of the duration...

2) It's viable to use only one shield as active defense in front bar, as a pet sorc using an openword build (not that dueling 100% damage, 100% duel win dump build) I can survive well. Having one shield is possible if you don't think it's that dump thing you need to refresh on your back bar. Of course 1 shield is less effective than 2, it's just more balanced !

3) For a more balanced game, ZoS need to remove shield stacking, they could use their major and minor system for shields, harness and hardened as major shield, so it don't stack and healing ward as a minor shield, to stack it with hardened or harness.

Then, balance light armor ! Delete the spell resistance passive, add a 5 pieces passive increasing by 5% max magicka. Stack regen and reduce cost passive and add a 5 pieces passive increasing major shield power by ~20%.

No more god stacking, but active defence mechanic.

Also reduce the magicka back from harness, endless magicka shouldn't be that easy.

Sorry for my bad english

TreeHugger1 · January 2017

Derra wrote: »

What do you do when your familiar gets killed (or kills itself in another sorcs mines - i´ve not found one of those imps surviving mines with preapplied fury + frags to the face yet).

Then keep up the crushing shock spam.

Well you can use Ball of lightning and your crushing shock spam would be useless,unfortunately this ability was heavily nerfed...
@Derra

Derra · January 2017

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TreeHugger1 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

What do you do when your familiar gets killed (or kills itself in another sorcs mines - i´ve not found one of those imps surviving mines with preapplied fury + frags to the face yet).

Then keep up the crushing shock spam.

Well you can use Ball of lightning and your crushing shock spam would be useless,unfortunately this ability was heavily nerfed...
@Derra

Well yeah - sorc bol. I don´t see it utilized that often.

Though it´s not going to keep the scamp from dying again. And again. And again. Aaaand again.

TreeHugger1 · January 2017

Derra wrote: »

TreeHugger1 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

What do you do when your familiar gets killed (or kills itself in another sorcs mines - i´ve not found one of those imps surviving mines with preapplied fury + frags to the face yet).

Then keep up the crushing shock spam.

Well you can use Ball of lightning and your crushing shock spam would be useless,unfortunately this ability was heavily nerfed...
@Derra

Well yeah - sorc bol. I don´t see it utilized that often.

Though it´s not going to keep the scamp from dying again. And again. And again. Aaaand again.

Well maybe you can activate 1 mine set scamp to passive and stay near the sorc and even put your own mines above his from obvious reasons,although it is risky.
Honestly when I use the scamp it rarely dies and almost all of the players don't even bother to snare nor root it,anyway if you don't use daedric prey you still have a good pressure.

Lord-Otto · January 2017

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@Aedaryl

Shields have the same function as HoTs like Vigor in that you keep them up like a buff.

Dodgeroll is a completely different matter, as it brings far more benefits than just a quick defense. In fact, dodgeroll scales so well with more enemies, unlike shields. Ironically, sorc defense gets increasingly bad in group fights, which they are supposed to excel at.

Stacking shields is necessary, as self-healing is pretty much non-existant. A single shield works as long as you pressure enough, but in real Cyrodiil combat, you'll die as soon as two people look your way.

Minalan · January 2017

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Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Aedaryl

Shields have the same function as HoTs like Vigor in that you keep them up like a buff.

Dodgeroll is a completely different matter, as it brings far more benefits than just a quick defense. In fact, dodgeroll scales so well with more enemies, unlike shields. Ironically, sorc defense gets increasingly bad in group fights, which they are supposed to excel at.

Stacking shields is necessary, as self-healing is pretty much non-existant. A single shield works as long as you pressure enough, but in real Cyrodiil combat, you'll die as soon as two people look your way.

If the main shield were a bit bigger (buffed 3% per LA piece as a light armor passive) and lasted longer (2 seconds, 8 sec total) we wouldn't need to stack, and we could use that bar slot for something useful.

It's kind of lame that 40% of second bar slots get eaten just to have one viable shield. It's almost as bad as needing to slot healing ward and a resto staff just to heal up.

Waffennacht · January 2017

Try to adapt to the changes

Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Aedaryl

Shields have the same function as HoTs like Vigor in that you keep them up like a buff.

Dodgeroll is a completely different matter, as it brings far more benefits than just a quick defense. In fact, dodgeroll scales so well with more enemies, unlike shields. Ironically, sorc defense gets increasingly bad in group fights, which they are supposed to excel at.

Stacking shields is necessary, as self-healing is pretty much non-existant. A single shield works as long as you pressure enough, but in real Cyrodiil combat, you'll die as soon as two people look your way.

If the main shield were a bit bigger (buffed 3% per LA piece as a light armor passive) and lasted longer (2 seconds, 8 sec total) we wouldn't need to stack, and we could use that bar slot for something useful.

It's kind of lame that 40% of second bar slots get eaten just to have one viable shield. It's almost as bad as needing to slot healing ward and a resto staff just to heal up.

To the point where it feels like we have only one bar.

Lord-Otto · January 2017

Try to adapt to the changes

@Minalan
@Waffennacht

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you both. It is incredibly silly that we have to waste 2+1 Slots just to survive. And a weapon choice. Whereas you really only need Vigor on stam, as dodgeroll is always given.

There is absolutely zero reasonable reason why we're still forced to do it, other than Wrobel being too busy buffing pets.
Double Hardened and Annulment strength (or like 90%). Make 'em unstackable. Sorcs would still use Hardened, the best shield, other classes the inferior Annulment. It balances magicka classes against each other and opens up possibilities.

Minalan · January 2017

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Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Minalan
@Waffennacht

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you both. It is incredibly silly that we have to waste 2+1 Slots just to survive. And a weapon choice. Whereas you really only need Vigor on stam, as dodgeroll is always given.

There is absolutely zero reasonable reason why we're still forced to do it, other than Wrobel being too busy buffing pets.
Double Hardened and Annulment strength (or like 90%). Make 'em unstackable. Sorcs would still use Hardened, the best shield, other classes the inferior Annulment. It balances magicka classes against each other and opens up possibilities.

Hardened is already 40%+ more than harness. It doesn't need to be doubled. I think a 15% boost and no stacking would fix the issue. That doesn't sound like much, but that's worth a couple of proc set shots, and that's all we need. Protection from armor auto-damage.

Lord-Otto · January 2017

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Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Minalan
@Waffennacht

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you both. It is incredibly silly that we have to waste 2+1 Slots just to survive. And a weapon choice. Whereas you really only need Vigor on stam, as dodgeroll is always given.

There is absolutely zero reasonable reason why we're still forced to do it, other than Wrobel being too busy buffing pets.
Double Hardened and Annulment strength (or like 90%). Make 'em unstackable. Sorcs would still use Hardened, the best shield, other classes the inferior Annulment. It balances magicka classes against each other and opens up possibilities.

Hardened is already 40%+ more than harness. It doesn't need to be doubled. I think a 15% boost and no stacking would fix the issue. That doesn't sound like much, but that's worth a couple of proc set shots, and that's all we need. Protection from armor auto-damage.

I've got enough sustain to use Dampen, and it still is not enough to fend off two stam players at once. So a new buffed Hardened should be around old Hardened+Harness. If you go much lower, you'll die immediately in group combat.

Erm, I can't pull a precise number out of my back, that is something that needs careful fine-tuning. Look at me, I could teach ZOS with my infinite wisdom about sophisticated game design!
(^_-)

SirAndy · January 2017

Continue to play as it is

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

With the changes coming to Sorc for the most part being negative and almost certainly not being reverted , what do you plan on doing with your Sorc after update 13?

My Sorc will be just fine ...

Anti_Virus · January 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Minalan
@Waffennacht

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you both. It is incredibly silly that we have to waste 2+1 Slots just to survive. And a weapon choice. Whereas you really only need Vigor on stam, as dodgeroll is always given.

There is absolutely zero reasonable reason why we're still forced to do it, other than Wrobel being too busy buffing pets.
Double Hardened and Annulment strength (or like 90%). Make 'em unstackable. Sorcs would still use Hardened, the best shield, other classes the inferior Annulment. It balances magicka classes against each other and opens up possibilities.

Hardened is already 40%+ more than harness. It doesn't need to be doubled. I think a 15% boost and no stacking would fix the issue. That doesn't sound like much, but that's worth a couple of proc set shots, and that's all we need. Protection from armor auto-damage.

I've got enough sustain to use Dampen, and it still is not enough to fend off two stam players at once. So a new buffed Hardened should be around old Hardened+Harness. If you go much lower, you'll die immediately in group combat.

Erm, I can't pull a precise number out of my back, that is something that needs careful fine-tuning. Look at me, I could teach ZOS with my infinite wisdom about sophisticated game design!
(^_-)

Um use mines and storm atro, LOS around it dude. You don't need shield buffs since they still stack.

Lord-Otto · January 2017

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Anti_Virus wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

@Minalan
@Waffennacht

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you both. It is incredibly silly that we have to waste 2+1 Slots just to survive. And a weapon choice. Whereas you really only need Vigor on stam, as dodgeroll is always given.

There is absolutely zero reasonable reason why we're still forced to do it, other than Wrobel being too busy buffing pets.
Double Hardened and Annulment strength (or like 90%). Make 'em unstackable. Sorcs would still use Hardened, the best shield, other classes the inferior Annulment. It balances magicka classes against each other and opens up possibilities.

Hardened is already 40%+ more than harness. It doesn't need to be doubled. I think a 15% boost and no stacking would fix the issue. That doesn't sound like much, but that's worth a couple of proc set shots, and that's all we need. Protection from armor auto-damage.

I've got enough sustain to use Dampen, and it still is not enough to fend off two stam players at once. So a new buffed Hardened should be around old Hardened+Harness. If you go much lower, you'll die immediately in group combat.

Erm, I can't pull a precise number out of my back, that is something that needs careful fine-tuning. Look at me, I could teach ZOS with my infinite wisdom about sophisticated game design!
(^_-)

Um use mines and storm atro, LOS around it dude. You don't need shield buffs since they still stack.

Dude, have you been reading the previous posts? We're theorizing on a way to AVOID stacking shields.

Also, Atro is crap. It gets stunned or outranged. Congratz on wasting your precious ult.
Mines are laughable. People just roll/block/mist through them.

And on a sorc, you have 0 mobility to reposition and kite. You will be snared that you can't shuffle off. You will be rooted that you can roll out maybe once. You will be gapclosed that you can't streak from, especially since gapclosing is instant, ignores terrain and doesn't mini-root the user (at least Ambush). Also puts an unavoidable snare on you. And you can't outrun them. Even if you put Boundless on, which many don't, you lack the stamina to run long enough.

Methariorn · January 2017

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Durham wrote: »

Playing magicka sorc in pvp is miserable for me ... you spend your entire game play casting shields every 5 to 6 secs .... I hate this aspec... hats off to those of you that play this class....

When you got focus you need to spam them and pray the lag don't gimp your animation canceling.

Waffennacht · January 2017

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I've just gone into HA and mad crit resistance.

Yes shield stacking works... till it doesn't. You know what I mean, it just takes one moment of shields down and gg.

With HA and enough set up you can exist with one shield. Sure your dps is horrid (you'll never see me go @psychotic13 and send a player from full to the grave) but you do have an opportunity to win.

Quite frankly I'm betting a TON more mag sorcs, esp pet builds. Makes me wann go stam just for novelity.

NocturnalGuideMe · January 2017

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Malamar1229 · January 2017

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Malamar1229 wrote: »

@Derra I have been trying to read through the 5 pages of this argument,
a) When you say shield stacking I assume you mean Ward/Harness and aren't counting Heal Ward/Hard Ward as shield stacking?
b) Also in open world, you're not saying you run with Harness magicka as your 1 shield are you? I used to run with just hard ward on my front bar and I did fine. But I can't imagine just running with harness since most of Cyrodiil is stamina anyway (At least right now), and the shield strength was just too low for my liking. Harness (maybe even ball lightning) I think will gain some popularity in Homestead when the crybads reroll to magicka again.

Also to those parties interested, when I run on my defense bar and use hard ward/harness/heal ward....I am pretty hard pressed to recall a time when I died to another sorc. Usually takes more people jumping in on me, or a stalemate

I mean harness + hardened correct. Shields that can get stacked on top of 100% full HP.

I don´t consider healing + hardened stack as bad because to get a noticeable stack you have to be in the risk of dying in the first place.
On top of that I don´t think healing ward is currently replaceable as it functions as the main heal for sorcs and NBs (i´ve already mentioned ideas for reworking it though).

I run hardened only for open world. I think harness is one of the most broken abilities in the game due to the resorce return mechanics (today theorycrafting around it made me realise just how broken it is).

To your last point, if shields couldn't stack I don't know if I'd call it broken. It's a pretty low shield in pvp (like 7k?) so having high magicka returns is OK in my book. However, I wonder it's potential in Homestead with perma frost staff blocking trollmagplars

It wouldn´t be broken if it could not stack - agreed.

So i correct myself. Harness is broken when used in conjunction with hardened ward allowing you to take full advantage of the magica return against every magica player. Effectively making both shields free to cast on a high magica build.

Edit: @Malamar1229 - i´m not sure if it will be broken with permablocking icestaff mainly because harness scales with max magica AND pieces of light armor worn. It´ll be problematic if someone manages to create a permablocking light armor build. That´s when the fun starts. Oh boy.

Answer this: Is the stacking OP on the annulment morph without the return? It's a 10K or so shield, and doesn't return any magicka. That's what I stack when under pressure, the downside is the expense of two shields. Your argument so far is based on magicka return only. Not the size. Not the terrible duration.

I'd love to have one shield that could survive most stamina burst openers. Sadly we don't.

We'll already have something close to a permablock build with desert rose. That's going to be extremely strong.

I´d say hardened + dampen is tricky because it depends on the opponent having slotted a magica cost increase poison (atleast for the builds i´m running). This depends a lot more on your general build - you need enough magica regen to sustain your shields.
At about 2000 magica regen + potion it should be almost infinetly sustainable aswell unless you´re getting poisoned by 10s magica cost increase.
However for short duration fights hardened + dampen can give you even better defense than harness.
I don´t really have an opinion on that one because i´ve not used it myself and i very rarely see other sorcs using dampen (because harness is so much better).

In general i would like the option of stacking harness/dampen + hardened (not healing ward - but that should see a rework maybe) removed and light armor given a buff in the defensive department to make it a more compelling armor choice for magblade, magDK and Magplar.
I think magica sorc shieldstacking masks light armor shortcomings so well that it´s hard for zos to buff that armor choice without completely overpowering sorcs.

Stamina burst from stealth is a completely different topic - also deserving attention. But that´s again arguing for one imbalance to counteract the other. I´m not against stamburst per se - but i don´t think they (or anyone) should be able to be permanently invisible in pvp.
It´s either:
a) adress the dmg
b) adress the stun
c) adress permanent sneak
One of those has to be looked at imo.

Our whole argument started because you claimed the game is playable with one shield.. it's really not unless you're always grouped with a Templar buddy. A class you can't solo play at least a little isn't really a class.

It is. I´m doing it every day with only hardened as a main shield

And... apparently you do great until a nightblade shows up.

I´m doing pretty good regardless of what shows up.

That's not what you were saying in the Miat thread in the whole counterplay argument. Do you ever run solo on your sorc? Without a group? No healer. No tank? No nightblades of your own?

Half of the AD faction is gankblades on PC TF NA, you can't avoid running into them.

Now you´re exposing my hidden agenda in getting proccgankers nerfed because they´re the only thing reliably killing me while 1vXing.

Honestly. I overplay the role of NB gankers every chance i get (for the very same reason you state. AD trueflame EU is 50% proccblades and you never fight them alone - you get multiple proccs from multiple people).
Simply bc it annoys me to no end that i can fight 3 other people and someone can sneak up to me and i go poof while fighting other people.

I´ve probably been ganked successfully ~5 times in total since dark brotherhood went live when i had my hands on mouse and keyboard and was paying attention.
The preparation required to setup a successful gank is immense when ganking a sorc with an active shield and defensive rune. Only happened once - with a bugged procc and the player wanting to prove a point.

This is going to haunt me.

So i´m probably doing the same when talking about gankers what you are doing in regards to not using harness/dampen

This'll come back and haunt me. But... I usually get by fine with one shield.

However when the stam proc NB jumps in the first thing I do is double stack. When some farm group gap closes to me with multiple EoTS, same thing. Double stack. Roll out.

I only ever need two shields when people are overplaying extremely broken game damage mechanics that shouldn't be there to begin with. Unfortunately on PC/NA that's... pretty much most of the time.

See - i´m all for nerfing everything that´s too good and therefor overplayed.

Shieldstacks, eots, proccsets, ganks - you name it i probably want it nerfed

I'll take a minute here and apologize to you publicly. I think one of the big issues is the culture of EU versus US. You just don't deal with the quantity or quality of nightblades we do here.

You see.. Americans seem to celebrate the antisocial little stealthed treasures here. They're literally everywhere, and usually running in groups of two or three.

Europeans in general I've noticed are much friendlier people and work better together in groups. The US servers are one big toxic sewer of nastiness, ego, and solo gankers. That one great ganker guy that you know on EU is the rule, not the exception. Try playing here sometime and you'll see.

Turn on Miats add on for fun, and think... are there really SIX stealthed NB's here? No way... yep! ***! (Meanwhile they're all tea bagging you)

For more fun, Then turn on an add-on that shows people's buffs. Then ask yourself, are there REALLY that many people running TBS to get dual mundus? (The answer is no!)

I don't complain overmuch, I find a way to counter the raw sewage in PVP, and then stick with it. I get a little pissed when someone wants to take that one counter and then leave all of the stinky bits.

Cheers! And I'm sorry for getting so mad @Derra

Minalan doesnt complain much....till you run Ruins of Mazz with him.

Minalan · January 2017

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Malamar1229 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

@Derra I have been trying to read through the 5 pages of this argument,
a) When you say shield stacking I assume you mean Ward/Harness and aren't counting Heal Ward/Hard Ward as shield stacking?
b) Also in open world, you're not saying you run with Harness magicka as your 1 shield are you? I used to run with just hard ward on my front bar and I did fine. But I can't imagine just running with harness since most of Cyrodiil is stamina anyway (At least right now), and the shield strength was just too low for my liking. Harness (maybe even ball lightning) I think will gain some popularity in Homestead when the crybads reroll to magicka again.

Also to those parties interested, when I run on my defense bar and use hard ward/harness/heal ward....I am pretty hard pressed to recall a time when I died to another sorc. Usually takes more people jumping in on me, or a stalemate

I mean harness + hardened correct. Shields that can get stacked on top of 100% full HP.

I don´t consider healing + hardened stack as bad because to get a noticeable stack you have to be in the risk of dying in the first place.
On top of that I don´t think healing ward is currently replaceable as it functions as the main heal for sorcs and NBs (i´ve already mentioned ideas for reworking it though).

I run hardened only for open world. I think harness is one of the most broken abilities in the game due to the resorce return mechanics (today theorycrafting around it made me realise just how broken it is).

To your last point, if shields couldn't stack I don't know if I'd call it broken. It's a pretty low shield in pvp (like 7k?) so having high magicka returns is OK in my book. However, I wonder it's potential in Homestead with perma frost staff blocking trollmagplars

It wouldn´t be broken if it could not stack - agreed.

So i correct myself. Harness is broken when used in conjunction with hardened ward allowing you to take full advantage of the magica return against every magica player. Effectively making both shields free to cast on a high magica build.

Edit: @Malamar1229 - i´m not sure if it will be broken with permablocking icestaff mainly because harness scales with max magica AND pieces of light armor worn. It´ll be problematic if someone manages to create a permablocking light armor build. That´s when the fun starts. Oh boy.

Answer this: Is the stacking OP on the annulment morph without the return? It's a 10K or so shield, and doesn't return any magicka. That's what I stack when under pressure, the downside is the expense of two shields. Your argument so far is based on magicka return only. Not the size. Not the terrible duration.

I'd love to have one shield that could survive most stamina burst openers. Sadly we don't.

We'll already have something close to a permablock build with desert rose. That's going to be extremely strong.

I´d say hardened + dampen is tricky because it depends on the opponent having slotted a magica cost increase poison (atleast for the builds i´m running). This depends a lot more on your general build - you need enough magica regen to sustain your shields.
At about 2000 magica regen + potion it should be almost infinetly sustainable aswell unless you´re getting poisoned by 10s magica cost increase.
However for short duration fights hardened + dampen can give you even better defense than harness.
I don´t really have an opinion on that one because i´ve not used it myself and i very rarely see other sorcs using dampen (because harness is so much better).

In general i would like the option of stacking harness/dampen + hardened (not healing ward - but that should see a rework maybe) removed and light armor given a buff in the defensive department to make it a more compelling armor choice for magblade, magDK and Magplar.
I think magica sorc shieldstacking masks light armor shortcomings so well that it´s hard for zos to buff that armor choice without completely overpowering sorcs.

Stamina burst from stealth is a completely different topic - also deserving attention. But that´s again arguing for one imbalance to counteract the other. I´m not against stamburst per se - but i don´t think they (or anyone) should be able to be permanently invisible in pvp.
It´s either:
a) adress the dmg
b) adress the stun
c) adress permanent sneak
One of those has to be looked at imo.

Our whole argument started because you claimed the game is playable with one shield.. it's really not unless you're always grouped with a Templar buddy. A class you can't solo play at least a little isn't really a class.

It is. I´m doing it every day with only hardened as a main shield

And... apparently you do great until a nightblade shows up.

I´m doing pretty good regardless of what shows up.

That's not what you were saying in the Miat thread in the whole counterplay argument. Do you ever run solo on your sorc? Without a group? No healer. No tank? No nightblades of your own?

Half of the AD faction is gankblades on PC TF NA, you can't avoid running into them.

Now you´re exposing my hidden agenda in getting proccgankers nerfed because they´re the only thing reliably killing me while 1vXing.

Honestly. I overplay the role of NB gankers every chance i get (for the very same reason you state. AD trueflame EU is 50% proccblades and you never fight them alone - you get multiple proccs from multiple people).
Simply bc it annoys me to no end that i can fight 3 other people and someone can sneak up to me and i go poof while fighting other people.

I´ve probably been ganked successfully ~5 times in total since dark brotherhood went live when i had my hands on mouse and keyboard and was paying attention.
The preparation required to setup a successful gank is immense when ganking a sorc with an active shield and defensive rune. Only happened once - with a bugged procc and the player wanting to prove a point.

This is going to haunt me.

So i´m probably doing the same when talking about gankers what you are doing in regards to not using harness/dampen

This'll come back and haunt me. But... I usually get by fine with one shield.

However when the stam proc NB jumps in the first thing I do is double stack. When some farm group gap closes to me with multiple EoTS, same thing. Double stack. Roll out.

I only ever need two shields when people are overplaying extremely broken game damage mechanics that shouldn't be there to begin with. Unfortunately on PC/NA that's... pretty much most of the time.

See - i´m all for nerfing everything that´s too good and therefor overplayed.

Shieldstacks, eots, proccsets, ganks - you name it i probably want it nerfed

I'll take a minute here and apologize to you publicly. I think one of the big issues is the culture of EU versus US. You just don't deal with the quantity or quality of nightblades we do here.

You see.. Americans seem to celebrate the antisocial little stealthed treasures here. They're literally everywhere, and usually running in groups of two or three.

Europeans in general I've noticed are much friendlier people and work better together in groups. The US servers are one big toxic sewer of nastiness, ego, and solo gankers. That one great ganker guy that you know on EU is the rule, not the exception. Try playing here sometime and you'll see.

Turn on Miats add on for fun, and think... are there really SIX stealthed NB's here? No way... yep! ***! (Meanwhile they're all tea bagging you)

For more fun, Then turn on an add-on that shows people's buffs. Then ask yourself, are there REALLY that many people running TBS to get dual mundus? (The answer is no!)

I don't complain overmuch, I find a way to counter the raw sewage in PVP, and then stick with it. I get a little pissed when someone wants to take that one counter and then leave all of the stinky bits.

Cheers! And I'm sorry for getting so mad @Derra

Minalan doesnt complain much....till you run Ruins of Mazz with him.

You have no idea how many runs I did with another friend of mine over the last few nights.

All that and I don't have a full set of usable pieces (or traits: all prosperous, training, and one sturdy).

At this point, I'm about to pay gold and hire pro PVE raiders to run me through this on Vet a few times and get the jewelry. Few people I know will touch vet mode, because it's about as fun as a root canal. Everyone else despises the normal dungeon so bad they would rather do writs or organize their inventory. Nobody casually gathers PUGs for Vet Mazz farming runs because they know better.

Father_X_Zombie · January 2017

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SirAndy wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

With the changes coming to Sorc for the most part being negative and almost certainly not being reverted , what do you plan on doing with your Sorc after update 13?

My Sorc will be just fine ...

The purpose of the thread was to see what people would do regarding the curse change but that was reverted so mine is fine as well.

Biro123 · January 2017

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I've just gone into HA and mad crit resistance.

Yes shield stacking works... till it doesn't. You know what I mean, it just takes one moment of shields down and gg.

With HA and enough set up you can exist with one shield. Sure your dps is horrid (you'll never see me go @psychotic13 and send a player from full to the grave) but you do have an opportunity to win.

Quite frankly I'm betting a TON more mag sorcs, esp pet builds. Makes me wann go stam just for novelity.

I'm with you. Busy trying to find a build that doesn't need shield-stacking, frees up slots and can still sustain. For some reason, I tend to instinctively look for something different to what everyone else is doing (currently DW), so I expect I'll avoid necro/pets like the plague. The main problem I'm having so far is that I've just switched to Azura - and I don't think I can come up with a heavy-armour mag-sorc setup that can sustain with 0 CPs.. Its tricky enough WITH CP's..

Did a little experimenting recently with it - and found that with freeing up slots, my back-bar became almost exactly the same as on my stamsorc.. (dark deal/conversion, hurricane/boundless, crit-surge/power-surge).. I'm not sure I want that. It went from not having to buff up at all before combat - to needing boundless/surge then a dark-conv to recover lost mag (since mag-regen was poor).. Nah, it was exactly what I disliked about my stam-sorc.. Still have other ideas tho - just busy farming so I can try em!