Do you think ZOS should eliminate animation cancelling?

dday3six · January 2017

No let it stay

Iskrasfemme wrote: »

Sincerely? Who cares? ESO has become the paradise of cheaters, macro users, etc ... whatever, it does not matter anymore.

lol

Can I get that LoL button back, now?

Please?

AzuraKin · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

CP5 wrote: »

I agree with the post against it above, it looks bad when characters are just flinching as their attacks ht and since ZOS is keeping it around they should accept it and make it an official part of the game. But honestly I think it would make for a much easier to balance, much more strategic game if you had to commit to your actions and see the animation to the end. You would be rewarded for making good calls for the situation, perhaps blocking can cancel everything when you start it but if you stop an attack it should stop. But of course its been around so long that peoples mad flinching skills are almost what the game is based around.

meh or simply put put cyrodil's light back up 25% damage reduction when channeling, give a stam

Bluepitbull13 wrote: »

ThoraxtheDark wrote: »

why dont you just animation cancel than lol dont understand. two buttons

I think they want to heavy attack the Mantikora and spam 1 skill at time.

or maybe those of us against animation cancelling understand that its a worse cancer then if they added a monster set, and 2 5p sets that all did 10,000 damage to every target in 12m at 100% proc chance when doing damage with .1s cooldown.

idk · January 2017

No let it stay

Mojmir wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I wouldn't miss it and I don't mind it either way,but is not intended. Welcome to the"grey area"

No longer the grey area since Devs have blessed it. Just like those calling it an exploit are clearly incorrect. Can call it that all someone desires, does not make it correct.

Blessing my ass,lol. Just like anything else that's broken, they have no clue how too fix it,so it's a "feature". It's also part of the reason we can blow through there content so fast and achieve insane dps. Then they add cp's,also arguably a mistake they introduced. Don't get me wrong I use AC,keep it or leave makes no difference too me.ill adapt and survive, but good luck to all the "over achievers" who now rely on it.

It would not be hard to fix. The only thing one can say is it was not intended at launch. They chose to keep it part of the game and even encouraged it.

Sneaky-Snurr · January 2017

Other (Please explain)

Lylith wrote: »

do they, now?

it's odd, i've got a 15-21 ping to dallas, but with eso mine is never under 100 and in pvp it runs 150-200+ all the time.

go figure.

@Lylith
May I know which ISP and connection package 'tier' you're subscribed to? Sounds to me like you have a really, REALLY bad connection considering you're playing from within the States. My typical ping range on good days is between 240-300ms and I'm in the Oceanic region.
It's quite disturbing how close my ping range and yours are. Better get your connections checked and/or subscribe to a better ISP/package.
EDIT: Forgot to add. The ping rate you mentioned on your side sounds very similar to when I was back in the UK (goes from 140-240). That said, I'm pretty confident that you can get your ping rates below 100ms with better subscription pack from your chosen ISP.

And. Go figure.

derpmander · January 2017

No let it stay

All the people saying yes are all the 2k dps scrublord roleplayers that struggle at pledges, probably.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

do they, now?

it's odd, i've got a 15-21 ping to dallas, but with eso mine is never under 100 and in pvp it runs 150-200+ all the time.

go figure.

@Lylith
May I know which ISP and connection package 'tier' you're subscribed to? Sounds to me like you have a really, REALLY bad connection considering you're playing from within the States. My typical ping range on good days is between 240-300ms and I'm in the Oceanic region.
It's quite disturbing how close my ping range and yours are. Better get your connections checked and/or subscribe to a better ISP/package.
EDIT: Forgot to add. The ping rate you mentioned on your side sounds very similar to when I was back in the UK (goes from 140-240). That said, I'm pretty confident that you can get your ping rates below 100ms with better subscription pack from your chosen ISP.

And. Go figure.

It's NA Cyrodiil servers . Almost everyone has that same latency issue with this game . I load up GTA and its twice as fast . STO , twice as fast . Same with BoS . ESO NA just has really bad latency issues in general . Some people paid for that ping service but got banned for it as 3rd part software . No one needs a new ISP . ZoS needs better service .

Joy_Division · January 2017

No let it stay

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Please remove it so that all players must play the game how it was meant to be played.... with animations included!

By making such a statement you are demonstrating you have no idea how eSO was meant t be played.

zyk · January 2017

No let it stay

When ZOS embraced animation cancelling, it should have also been documented. It is crazy that such an important mechanic is not taught to new players. It is not at all intuitive.

Like Valve provides for new Dota 2 players, there should be a tutorial that teaches animation cancelling.

PurifedBladez · January 2017

No let it stay

zyk wrote: »

When ZOS embraced animation cancelling, it should have also been documented. It is crazy that such an important mechanic is not taught to new players. It is not at all intuitive.

Like Valve provides for new Dota 2 players, there should be a tutorial that teaches animation cancelling.

This really should be done. Such a vital part of the game. If you aren't animation cancelling in eso you aren't doing it right despite whatever you may think.

I don't understand how the majority of eso players on the forums vote against animation cancelling. It's literally how you play the game haha and, honestly it makes it funner. Setting up some delicious combo on someone is always awesome.

Pvp is already being dragged through the mud by all the bs recently. Removing animation cancelling would probably kill it off, imo.

soll · January 2017

No let it stay

casuals QQ that they can't animation cancel, and awfully they are majority.
we all know which issue it is.

as long as I could be interrupted while instant casts, I don't want to see any changes. Not to mention long time cast of every skill (which can be simply skipped). people don't want to improve, but blame others. position ftw.

MLGProPlayer · January 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Lylith wrote: »

do they, now?

it's odd, i've got a 15-21 ping to dallas, but with eso mine is never under 100 and in pvp it runs 150-200+ all the time.

go figure.

@Lylith
May I know which ISP and connection package 'tier' you're subscribed to? Sounds to me like you have a really, REALLY bad connection considering you're playing from within the States. My typical ping range on good days is between 240-300ms and I'm in the Oceanic region.
It's quite disturbing how close my ping range and yours are. Better get your connections checked and/or subscribe to a better ISP/package.
EDIT: Forgot to add. The ping rate you mentioned on your side sounds very similar to when I was back in the UK (goes from 140-240). That said, I'm pretty confident that you can get your ping rates below 100ms with better subscription pack from your chosen ISP.

And. Go figure.

This game has *** servers. I have 1 gigabit Internet (live in Toronto) and get 100-140 ping in this game.

I have 20-40 ping in every other game I play.

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

I dont know what animation cancelling is and if I am or am not doing it... PS4 lol

Wollust · January 2017

No let it stay

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont know what animation cancelling is and if I am or am not doing it... PS4 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjhXLQXpac

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

soll wrote: »

casuals QQ that they can't animation cancel, and awfully they are majority.
we all know which issue it is.

as long as I could be interrupted while instant casts, I don't want to see any changes. Not to mention long time cast of every skill (which can be simply skipped). people don't want to improve, but blame others. position ftw.

This is just untrue and trollish . Several people here , non casual have posted they are great at it but still don't like it . Some people enjoy seeing combat . Some people don't enjoy watching there character wiggle and land 3 attacks . For some , it has nothing to do with capabilities .

The other people in this thread posting How To videos are at least being sensible to others that do not want animation canceling . Although I'm pretty sure most of know how by now . Learning has nothing to do with it as many know . It's a preference and also a mechanical issue in PVP .

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

Wollust wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont know what animation cancelling is and if I am or am not doing it... PS4 lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTjhXLQXpac

Oh, yes I am guilty of doing that then. Ah well, cest la vis.

Riejael · January 2017

zyk wrote: »

When ZOS embraced animation cancelling, it should have also been documented. It is crazy that such an important mechanic is not taught to new players. It is not at all intuitive.

Like Valve provides for new Dota 2 players, there should be a tutorial that teaches animation cancelling.

Its not possible to do a tutorial to teach it.

It is entirely based on ping. The timing for someone with a steady 75ms ping, a steady 300ms ping and an unsteady 60-200ms ping are all different.

At best they can make Lyris or Prophet say, "You may cancel animations of certain instant attacks with other attacks. Timing is an entirely random dependent upon your system, hardware, and physical location."

No newbie will be able to figure that out until they check it out on youtube and then tinker around until they get it right.

AnviOfVai · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

Never have been a fan of it, but I do use it on players who use it on me.

It makes the game feel really choppy and has this horrible unnatural form when I do it (more choppy than the lag!) But as said before, the Devs said it was allowed and that it was being kept in the game.. as a designer it rubs me in all the wrong places, and I love seeing games with smooth animation, and epic spell casting

pattyLtd · January 2017

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Never have been a fan of it, but I do use it on players who use it on me.

It makes the game feel really choppy and has this horrible unnatural form when I do it (more choppy than the lag!) But as said before, the Devs said it was allowed and that it was being kept in the game.. as a designer it rubs me in all the wrong places, and I love seeing games with smooth animation, and epic spell casting

I agree, it feels very unnatural and i don't like it when my characters looks like she is having a spasm of some sort.

Kreshja · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

I know how to animation cancel, but one major problem with animation cancelling is not related to player skills. It is rather the hardware environment s/he is in. For example, my lag never allows me to do proper weave because half of the time medium weave desto does the animation for me but the ball doesn't fire out. And sometimes block cancelling works at 0.2s and sometimes at 0.8s. Getting rid of animation cancelling will at least provide a fairer competing field for people with different internet connection situations. Players who don't lag will benefit the most from animation cancelling. (such as no matter how hard I try my characters can't do things as smooth and animation cancelled as those VMA youtubers)

Tai-Chi · January 2017

No let it stay

Animation cancelling is a measure of ones skill, technical ability and dedication to the game because it takes many hours of practice before it becomes second nature to ones play-style. In my opinion, those players whom have perfected the skill are True Artists. I can fully understand why AC is not popular with many players because there is no quick-fix for it.

I have been practicing AC on the PTS Skelleton Dummy and the results have been amazing. My damage output has doubled and trippled on my low dps Master Crafter. The improvement has carried over to the Live game. I still have a very long way to go before perfecting the skill but thank-you to all the people whom have posted videos on the Art and shared their expertise and knowledge.

Thank-you @Liofa for including the video clip at #441. I had not seen this before but having done so, I will soon be able to sleep peacefully at night (in my self-crafted, four-poster canopied bed) in the knowledge that my integrity has not been compromised by cheating.

The Uninvited · January 2017

Other (Please explain)

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Ah well, cest la vis.

I know what you're trying to say, but now it says "This is the screw".

Bobby_V_Rockit · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

The Uninvited wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Ah well, cest la vis.

I know what you're trying to say, but now it says "This is the screw".

Lol, ah well. Shoulda checked first haha

kevlarto_ESO · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

Yes get rid of it, it is just not healthy for the game, and if it is going to be a permanent part of the game then zos should have or should, include it in the stating tutorial on how to play, I don't care about how many youtube video are out showing, I want to an official tutorial made by zos. I wonder how many people that started this game early on and never even knew about animation canceling, I can do it I just choose not to, it just makes me feel dirty, if zos had the full on embrace and tutorial then I might not feel like I am cheating when I use it.

It is part of the problem in this game along with no soft caps or hard caps, automated game play macro's are against the TOS to bad they are not enforcing the policy there would be a lot those people that hit you with 5 special in a second that would have a time out. It is hard to enjoy this game anymore with all the cheaters, exploiters, broken game mechanics, intrusive add-ons, poor balance, the game is feeling less like an Elder Scrolls game and more like a first person shooter, this is not mmo combat.

EnemyOfDaState · January 2017

Can someone tell me the last big MMO that didn't have animation canceling?

Knootewoot · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

So, I am one against animation cancelling. I just hate it (that I cannot get it right) that someone actually hides his attack by cancelling an attack or skill.

But I also agree the combat will be very clunky if you cannot cancel a light or heavy attack or a spell.

But instead of making animation cancel not possible (ie. clunky combat) they should make it IF you cancel an attack, you do no damage. I do not care about PvE and they can let it in their with their burning DPS races. It should be fixed for PvP.

Yes, It might be a l2p issue since I suck at animation cancelling. But for me it also just feels wrong. Cancel for me means you decide you do not want to do it.

But there are 2 groups here:
- people who do not want animation canceling (30%)
- people who do want animation canceling (70%)

Animation canceling is already here so how can they ever get this right. Removing it just makes the other 70% mad.

Edit: I made up these numbers 70 and 30% though.

aLi3nZ · January 2017

No let it stay

Animation cancelling is probably the only reason I am still playing this game. I hated it first and thought it was unnatural but after a long time of mastering it, and seeing my opponents doing it as well, I can see it actually helps add skill and fast pasted action into what would otherwise be a increasingly dumbed down game.

Luigi_Vampa · January 2017

No let it stay

To all the people saying get rid of it, if ZOS had included a tutorial in the wailing prison when the game launched, would you still have a problem with it? For a lot of people it seems that you're just mad that it is considered an unintentional feature.

Rohamad_Ali · January 2017

Yes get rid of it

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Can someone tell me the last big MMO that didn't have animation canceling?

Swtor

SaRuZ · January 2017

I never see it on Xbox NA. Must be a PC thing.

Luigi_Vampa · January 2017

No let it stay

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Can someone tell me the last big MMO that didn't have animation canceling?

Swtor

The combat in that game is so damn boring. I liked the stories, but once I finished the class story lines, I quit.