Is Grim Harlequin Motif limited time exclusive of the crown store or not?

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Buy mimic stones then sell them????

WTF

P2W confirmed

I am going to say sarcasm..... because of not then you have way to much tin foil on your head..

altemriel · October 2016

read this people!!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3442313/#Comment_3442313

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

Step 1: Buy Motif and Mimic Stones
Step 2: Make cheap low level gear (hey we have a use for the those writ shipments)
Step 3: Deconstruct said gear to drop unbound style stones
Step 4: Profit (convert Dollars to Gold)

This has crossed a very serious line.

Ilsabet · October 2016

I wouldn't consider the deconned style stones to be the big money-maker. The only people who would be able to use them are those who also bought the motif, and they already have a stash of mimic stones to use.

It makes more financial sense to sell the gear to those who don't have the motif and will have no other way to satiate their demand.

ThePaleItalian · October 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Step 1: Buy Motif and Mimic Stones
Step 2: Make cheap low level gear (hey we have a use for the those writ shipments)
Step 3: Deconstruct said gear to drop unbound style stones
Step 4: Profit (convert Dollars to Gold)

This has crossed a very serious line.

Have you tried this? Are the style stones bound? Wouldn't this only effect the players who bought the Motif and can craft said gear? Or is more tin foil needed?

DocFrost72 · October 2016

Kodrac wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Buy mimic stones then sell them????

WTF

P2W confirmed

What exactly are you winning by buying a motif?

I can haz motif! I wins game!

Not that I approve of crown exclusive motifs, but c'mon... P2W? Really?

P2W means you don't like something, duh!

SorataArisugawa · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

And is the service is not worth it, you don't buy it. Well sure. In this case they could just bring weapons and gear in the shop. Wouldn't be a problem right? Sadly we know, how this would end. And in an other part of the game, were it is not about DPS and stuff, this style will lead to the same problems. But yeah, tin foul hats...

Peekachu99 · October 2016

sadownik wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

Why are you so aggressive? Nobody is claiming some conspiracy.

Saying things people don't agree with with a critical-tongue isn't aggressive. Plenty of people in this thread have outright called ZoS "deceptive" or various permutations of that, and have gone as far as to suggest conspiracies (ploys to deceive, gouge and mislead) against them as consumers. All this over a $15/20 cosmetic motif? Aren't there greater concerns to be had?

Peekachu99 · October 2016

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

And is the service is not worth it, you don't buy it. Well sure. In this case they could just bring weapons and gear in the shop. Wouldn't be a problem right? Sadly we know, how this would end. And in an other part of the game, were it is not about DPS and stuff, this style will lead to the same problems. But yeah, tin foul hats...

But we're talking about a cosmetic motif. They haven't added weapons and gear to the crown store. So, yeah, "tin foil hat" is exactly what you're wearing. There's reality (motif) and fantasy (your 'concern' about adding gear). One of those things is actually real, relevant and worthy of discussion. The slippery slope stuff is pure conjecture and fear--no data has been mined to ever suggest that would be the case. Stay on topic.

SorataArisugawa · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

Why are you so aggressive? Nobody is claiming some conspiracy.

Saying things people don't agree with with a critical-tongue isn't aggressive. Plenty of people in this thread have outright called ZoS "deceptive" or various permutations of that, and have gone as far as to suggest conspiracies (ploys to deceive, gouge and mislead) against them as consumers. All this over a $15/20 cosmetic motif? Aren't there greater concerns to be had?

where did the people call ZOS deceptive??? They call it a false decission. Nothing else. The lock boxes are deceptive. This are just a shame. A shame, that ZOS is going this way.

Mx13 · October 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Step 1: Buy Motif and Mimic Stones
Step 2: Make cheap low level gear (hey we have a use for the those writ shipments)
Step 3: Deconstruct said gear to drop unbound style stones
Step 4: Profit (convert Dollars to Gold)

This has crossed a very serious line.

Thats where you could lose your "profit" tho, unless im missing something and you have a 100% chance to get the style stone.

Edit:
Looks like is just a chance:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

will the grim harlequin motif drop during the event or will it be a crown store exclusive?

The Grim Harlequin is going to be exclusive to the Crown Store. However, purchasing the Grim Harlequin will net you 54 Mimic Stones, which you can use to craft gear (including the Grim Harlequin). You can use this crafted gear to deconstruct and have a chance to get a Grinstone - the Grim Harlequin style item. All this can be traded, too, if you wish.

Peekachu99 · October 2016

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The Grim Harlequin is going to be exclusive to the Crown Store. However, purchasing the Grim Harlequin will net you 54 Mimic Stones, which you can use to craft gear (including the Grim Harlequin). You can use this crafted gear to deconstruct and have a chance to get a Grinstone - the Grim Harlequin style item. All this can be traded, too, if you wish.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3440245#Comment_3440245

It is exclusive.

Well and thats the point were they clearly step away from there motto: everything will be obtainable in the game. Great Job ZOS. After the crown crates now this. You were the choosen ones. I have to let my hope go. This game will be like all the other rubbish ones.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know you are just the messenger, but please help us and tell them, how bad this idea is. Please Gina, you are our only hope!!! Maybe they will listen to you. ZOS have to keep their promise. You will loosing so many loyal subs over this... you can't just simply accept this!

Since you asked...I've bolded the parts where you, specifically, indicate they're (ZoS) being deceptive. From like what, an hour ago? Are we done here?

LadyNalcarya · October 2016

I feel kinda ashamed I was supporting crown store for a very long time.
The direction it takes these days doesnt look good, to say the least.

SorataArisugawa · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The Grim Harlequin is going to be exclusive to the Crown Store. However, purchasing the Grim Harlequin will net you 54 Mimic Stones, which you can use to craft gear (including the Grim Harlequin). You can use this crafted gear to deconstruct and have a chance to get a Grinstone - the Grim Harlequin style item. All this can be traded, too, if you wish.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3440245#Comment_3440245

It is exclusive.

Well and thats the point were they clearly step away from there motto: everything will be obtainable in the game. Great Job ZOS. After the crown crates now this. You were the choosen ones. I have to let my hope go. This game will be like all the other rubbish ones.

@ZOS_GinaBruno I know you are just the messenger, but please help us and tell them, how bad this idea is. Please Gina, you are our only hope!!! Maybe they will listen to you. ZOS have to keep their promise. You will loosing so many loyal subs over this... you can't just simply accept this!

Since you asked...I've bolded the parts where you, specifically, indicate they're (ZoS) being deceptive. From like what, an hour ago? Are we done here?

Well, it was an open secret anyway. But now its clear. They will never say the words again, which they used as they introduced Tamriel Infinum. That is not the case any more. Prove me wrong! It is their decision. They didn't say it in the last several month, so it is not deceptive. But they dismissed this concept. And thats a shame. And that will be a problem.

I hope you are done. You have problems somewhere else in the game. Sad, but ranting here will don't help you. Maybe you understand this someday...

Oreyn_Bearclaw · October 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Step 1: Buy Motif and Mimic Stones
Step 2: Make cheap low level gear (hey we have a use for the those writ shipments)
Step 3: Deconstruct said gear to drop unbound style stones
Step 4: Profit (convert Dollars to Gold)

This has crossed a very serious line.

Thats where you could lose your "profit" tho, unless im missing something and you have a 100% chance to get the style stone.

Edit:
Looks like is just a chance:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Daz_dingoeb17_ESO wrote: »

will the grim harlequin motif drop during the event or will it be a crown store exclusive?

The Grim Harlequin is going to be exclusive to the Crown Store. However, purchasing the Grim Harlequin will net you 54 Mimic Stones, which you can use to craft gear (including the Grim Harlequin). You can use this crafted gear to deconstruct and have a chance to get a Grinstone - the Grim Harlequin style item. All this can be traded, too, if you wish.

The chance is irrelevant. If the chance is even 1% you have a way of converting cash to gold. The exchange rate might be terrible, but the mechanism still exists (it's already existed with mimic stones for a while now). Do I think the sky is falling with this particular example? Not really. The only buyers would be people that already have bought the motif itself, which comes with a slew of Mimic stones.

Crafters could also sell pieces of crafted gear out right. "WTS Grim Harlequin Motif armor, your Silk plus 5k" as an example. Again, you are using something you acquired in the crown store to generate in game gold. It's a bad precedent, and I don't like it.

Absolutely buy the motif if you think it looks cool (I actually kinda think it does), just don't be that guy trying to make a quick buck off of it. I think selling it with a crap ton of stones helps a bit. Because anybody that already bought the motif wont need the style stones.

Taleof2Cities · October 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Step 1: Buy Motif and Mimic Stones
Step 2: Make cheap low level gear (hey we have a use for the those writ shipments)
Step 3: Deconstruct said gear to drop unbound style stones
Step 4: Profit (convert Dollars to Gold)

This has crossed a very serious line.

Thats where you could lose your "profit" tho, unless im missing something and you have a 100% chance to get the style stone.

There is a prior quote in the thread from @ZOS_GinaBruno that it is a chance ... so not 100%. That is in line with other style stone drops upon decon of gear.

The other issue against @Oreyn_Bearclaw's theory (also pointed out in this thread) is that selling style stones only benefits players who know the motif. That slice of the player-base is likely cognizant enough to have kept enough style stones in inventory ... or has enough mimic stones to cover their Harlequin crafting needs.

So will the conversion of style stones into gold be a problem? Maybe. Will it have "crossed a very serious line"? Probably not.

Elsonso · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

But we're talking about a cosmetic motif. They haven't added weapons and gear to the crown store. So, yeah, "tin foil hat" is exactly what you're wearing. There's reality (motif) and fantasy (your 'concern' about adding gear). One of those things is actually real, relevant and worthy of discussion. The slippery slope stuff is pure conjecture and fear--no data has been mined to ever suggest that would be the case. Stay on topic.

Some people play MMORPG games for the RPG part of the game, and they are interested in appearances and other aspects of the role playing part of the game. They may not necessarily be as interested in weapon power and armor strength. To them, cosmetics is a big part of the game, maybe as much as the weapon and armor power, if not more.

ZOS treats them like role payers already, but one thing that they had going for them was that motifs were available in both the game and the crown store. Those who wanted to earn the motif could go out and earn the motif, in the game.

So, while this is cosmetic, it is also significant, and not in a good way. At least, not for the people who are interested in cosmetics. To them, this is a slap in the face. A way for ZOS to say, "you are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."

Slippery slope... Some toss around the word "conjecture" like people are just pulling stuff out of their nether regions. Not all conjecture is baseless.

Do I think that ZOS is going to suddenly decide to sell gear in the Crown Store? There are people who would want to see that happen, inside and outside of ZOS, and who would pay for it. It would certainly not be unprecedented in the MMO genre, and ZOS does have a terrible equipment gap that smacks people when they hit Level 50. Thanks to Veteran Rank removal and One Tamriel scaling, this is much more of an issue. I think a nice, middle power, non-OP, scaled Crown Store Exclusive Set is just what the Crown Store people might like to see happen. Fill that gap while people collect CP 160 stuff.

Try being a new player and wanting a mount. It is a lot easier to just buy the mount from the Crown Store than it is to walk everywhere, or collect enough gold to buy an in-game horse. Mounts are cosmetic, a lot more useful than motifs, and often considered essential. The Crown Store is all about filling where game play leaves off. The same gap exists with gear, and ZOS is (again) demonstrating that they are not above changing up how they do the Crown Store, even if it contradicts prior policies.

Far fetched? Perhaps. But then, ZOS has made some of those far fetched ideas a reality over the last year and a half.

SorataArisugawa · October 2016

Peekachu99 wrote: »

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

My God, they're running a business, they need to make money. Game chuggs along half the time and you want to deprive them of more cosmetic-based income?

No, they do not need to make money. Many business fail, and properly so. Making money is the reward for doing something of value, it is not the fulfillment of a need. They remain a successful business when the reward is greater than the cost of being in business. If they cannot manage to do that, they they should be going out of business.

Further, it is not the responsibility of any of us to keep them in business. You did not say exactly this, but your statement strongly implies that we have a responsibility to give them money so they will fix their game. I am sure they appreciate the donations, and people can spend their money as they see fit, but we are just consumers and they are the business. We are not part of the team, and we are not investors. They have to provide value for the money that they ask for. As consumers, we can toss around our money as we want, but in the end, it is not our responsibility to keep them in business. If enough people are not willing to buy what they are selling, at the price they are selling it at, then they rightfully deserve to go out of business, or move to sell a product that has more value.

I'd agree with you if this wasn't an online game that had exorbitant infrastructure costs necessary for you to enjoy (or hate) it. Do you expect them to provide this for backend free? Who's the charity now? Your argument is confusing and you sound as if you expect them to keep the servers on simply because they have earned your trust as a consumer--only that only works if you, the consumer, actually pay money to continue ongoing services and development. A good business is more of a mutual exchange, rather than one party emptying its pockets for the enjoyment of the other.

ZoS provide a product, we as a consumer determine if it's worth our investment. I'm not suggesting that we owe them anything. I am saying that I see crown store motifs as a fine investment, and do not see it as the "slippery-slope, pay-to-win" apocalypse.

So theyre too big to fail is what youre getting at?

A one-line lazy quip is all you mustered from my posts? Okay. Maybe read them again. I said nothing about size>choice or freedom. They're providing a service. I guarenteee some people, a lot of people, will see the value in purchasing these items around which 'controversy' swirls. Just as they did the glowing tiger-mount, and all the other cosmetic "look at me" stuff beforehand.

It's capitalism, not a conspiracy. Take off the tin foil hats people.

And is the service is not worth it, you don't buy it. Well sure. In this case they could just bring weapons and gear in the shop. Wouldn't be a problem right? Sadly we know, how this would end. And in an other part of the game, were it is not about DPS and stuff, this style will lead to the same problems. But yeah, tin foul hats...

But we're talking about a cosmetic motif. They haven't added weapons and gear to the crown store. So, yeah, "tin foil hat" is exactly what you're wearing. There's reality (motif) and fantasy (your 'concern' about adding gear). One of those things is actually real, relevant and worthy of discussion. The slippery slope stuff is pure conjecture and fear--no data has been mined to ever suggest that would be the case. Stay on topic.

you don't understand, that playing the game not in the way, that DPS is everything. They playing it like style and immersion is everything. For this people it is P2W. Please don't bore me with your small ranged mind on this topic.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2016

Im not really bothered by the Motif in the store. Id have rather it have been something else they chose to use as a means to make money off of the event. But I suspect that this Motif and the Werewolf Disguise will be where they try to make their money back on the items theyve made for the event. Most of the items for the event are from last years offerings so they probably dont exspect high sales off of those items. The motif itself is unique and not even half the price of what would be asked for something that would normally drop in the game. I understand and even respect the opinion of those who had wished it was also available in the store. But as long as Motifs dont end up in the Crates.... I wont be upset if one motif per event lands in the store while the other is available in game. This way they can make some money off the event and still provide players the opportunity to get something out of the event without paying.

Br0m · October 2016

after almost 2 hours trying to finish the initial Witches Festival quest and constantly failure due to no drops for an essence of death...i think there is a bug with Grim Harlequin Motif tied with buying that motif and some server side variables in your char progression with Collect an Essence of Death quest step ..im so mad right now -.-

Mx13 · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

So, while this is cosmetic, it is also significant, and not in a good way. At least, not for the people who are interested in cosmetics. To them, this is a slap in the face. A way for ZOS to say, "you are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."

Are we gonna ignore that there is a free motif with this event and another 3 with OT update just because there is one exclusive motif on the crown store?...

"I want everything for free"
- ESO community, 2016.

rotaugen454 · October 2016

I'm curious, do people go into a store and yell about the prices of items, or do they just not buy it if they think it costs more than it's worth?

Elsonso · October 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

So, while this is cosmetic, it is also significant, and not in a good way. At least, not for the people who are interested in cosmetics. To them, this is a slap in the face. A way for ZOS to say, "you are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."

Are we gonna ignore that there is a free motif with this event and another 3 with OT update just because there is one exclusive motif on the crown store?...

"I want everything for free"
- ESO community, 2016.

This is nothing to do with "I want everything to be free". More than most everyone else in the game, the role players and players interested in cosmetics have been paying, and paying, and paying, and paying into this game, ever since they introduced Tamriel Unlimited and the Crown Store.

"You are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."
ZOS/Bethesda Marketing, 2016

LadyNalcarya · October 2016

Mx13 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

So, while this is cosmetic, it is also significant, and not in a good way. At least, not for the people who are interested in cosmetics. To them, this is a slap in the face. A way for ZOS to say, "you are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."

Are we gonna ignore that there is a free motif with this event and another 3 with OT update just because there is one exclusive motif on the crown store?...

"I want everything for free"
- ESO community, 2016.

What "free" are you talking about? Last time I checked, ESO was a b2p game with dlcs, subscription, AND cash shop (soon with rng boxes, too).

code65536 · October 2016

The pricing, though, is very generous.

A pack of 54 Mimic Stones costs 2400 crowns.

The Grim motif includes 54 Mimic Stones and costs 2200 crowns.

So one way to look at it is that they discounted the Mimic Stones by 200 and tossed in a free motif...

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

I bought it because of the mimic stones. Whilst I hope they don't make a habit of selling exclusive motifs, it was reasonably priced as far as pricing goes in the crown store.

Whatzituyah · October 2016

I began to think that a motif itself isn't a big deal try to think about this the way I do. Sets can't be dropped to look like this motif you will not be matching with the gear you craft. Going any deeper than that confuses me.

Prof_Bawbag · October 2016

They'd royally screw over the people who purchased this if it were to be added any time within the next year. People can gripe all they want about it being in the crown store, but those who have forked out for it would have more of a reason to be pissed.

DocFrost72 · October 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

But we're talking about a cosmetic motif. They haven't added weapons and gear to the crown store. So, yeah, "tin foil hat" is exactly what you're wearing. There's reality (motif) and fantasy (your 'concern' about adding gear). One of those things is actually real, relevant and worthy of discussion. The slippery slope stuff is pure conjecture and fear--no data has been mined to ever suggest that would be the case. Stay on topic.

Some people play MMORPG games for the RPG part of the game, and they are interested in appearances and other aspects of the role playing part of the game. They may not necessarily be as interested in weapon power and armor strength. To them, cosmetics is a big part of the game, maybe as much as the weapon and armor power, if not more.

ZOS treats them like role payers already, but one thing that they had going for them was that motifs were available in both the game and the crown store. Those who wanted to earn the motif could go out and earn the motif, in the game.

So, while this is cosmetic, it is also significant, and not in a good way. At least, not for the people who are interested in cosmetics. To them, this is a slap in the face. A way for ZOS to say, "you are not giving us enough of your money, here is a way that you can fix that."

Slippery slope... Some toss around the word "conjecture" like people are just pulling stuff out of their nether regions. Not all conjecture is baseless.

Do I think that ZOS is going to suddenly decide to sell gear in the Crown Store? There are people who would want to see that happen, inside and outside of ZOS, and who would pay for it. It would certainly not be unprecedented in the MMO genre, and ZOS does have a terrible equipment gap that smacks people when they hit Level 50. Thanks to Veteran Rank removal and One Tamriel scaling, this is much more of an issue. I think a nice, middle power, non-OP, scaled Crown Store Exclusive Set is just what the Crown Store people might like to see happen. Fill that gap while people collect CP 160 stuff.

Try being a new player and wanting a mount. It is a lot easier to just buy the mount from the Crown Store than it is to walk everywhere, or collect enough gold to buy an in-game horse. Mounts are cosmetic, a lot more useful than motifs, and often considered essential. The Crown Store is all about filling where game play leaves off. The same gap exists with gear, and ZOS is (again) demonstrating that they are not above changing up how they do the Crown Store, even if it contradicts prior policies.

Far fetched? Perhaps. But then, ZOS has made some of those far fetched ideas a reality over the last year and a half.

Er, might you fix where it has my name on someone else's quote? Thanks.

PS4_ZeColmeia · October 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

Jimmy goes to the shop to buy his weekly loaf of bread. The shopkeeper offers him rice.

"But I want bread." Said Jimmy. "I've always paid money for bread!"
"Sorry," the Shopkeeper replied "I'm giving you rice from now on."

Jimmy left the store never to return.

The End.

I feel like the rice. Better yet, Brown rice. No one eats but just orders it to take attention away from their country fried steak