All out war!

VagabondAngel · April 2016

What year is this? Anyway, happy to see the forum PvP has picked up again too. Looking forward to being gate farmed at some point.

#DTickRules

Cheers all.

Lava_Croft · April 2016

VagabondAngel wrote: »

What year is this? Anyway, happy to see the forum PvP has picked up again too. Looking forward to being gate farmed at some point.

#DTickRules

Cheers all.

That's what happens when something else is going down than AD and DC running around Arrius Lumber all day.

Master_Kas · April 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

What year is this? Anyway, happy to see the forum PvP has picked up again too. Looking forward to being gate farmed at some point.

#DTickRules

Cheers all.

That's what happens when something else is going down than AD and DC running around Arrius Lumber all day.

For people who talk so much about running with pugs and other groups they sure are hypocrites.

How many AD is needed to take a keep? 2 raids and pugs

Erondil · April 2016

The amount of hypocrit posts in this thread is frankly amazing. Keep it up

prootch · April 2016

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
Blackswords is still running a 16-24 group in prime time (meaning evening time 9pm-11pm, the rest of the time 12-16)... whatever the nlag fantasms about numbers are (or yours for that matter), it's pure crap. I even receive /w on numbers when we are not on tf ^^

On the other hand, despites the enormous ep zerg that is now following the red emp, I think it's not that bad: in the end this is some real ep opposition atm, not just a bunch of pugs hidden on arrius. The only pb with that situation remains lag which makes tf unplayable in prime time. Especially with that 50+ overstack that follows them now.

Wasalda wrote: »

I see ESO QQ of shame is still worth to laugh at
and Prootch boy u never rekt NL go back to ur cave and continue dreaming.

Ah ah ah... plenty of vids are showing the contrary

Forum rekt...

I was sure one of you would be in the denial phase in the end. Happy its u

We have now a very nice collection of n-hide, n-wipe, n-lol vids.

DeanTheCat · April 2016

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO:

No more witty rebuttals to my previous post? I see you have taken the trouble to reply to Kris, yet you completely ignored my last post even though I directed it directly at you and was quite polite in my phrasing.

Khajiit is disappointed.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2016

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO:

No more witty rebuttals to my previous post? I see you have taken the trouble to reply to Kris, yet you completely ignored my last post even though I directed it directly at you and was quite polite in my phrasing.

Khajiit is disappointed.

Buff campaign psychology doesn't need a reply this game stopped being competitive at the end of 2014. Everything else is just for fun. If you can't see that having a locked population vs low and medium at 2am uk time is the reason for your position in the campaign then I can't help you

Also was funny to see nlag camping blue gates at 2am too "guild only raid" though so it's cool yeh XD
Can't wait for the posts you make to justify it

Master_Kas · April 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO:

No more witty rebuttals to my previous post? I see you have taken the trouble to reply to Kris, yet you completely ignored my last post even though I directed it directly at you and was quite polite in my phrasing.

Khajiit is disappointed.

Buff campaign psychology doesn't need a reply this game stopped being competitive at the end of 2014. Everything else is just for fun. If you can't see that having a locked population vs low and medium at 2am uk time is the reason for your position in the campaign then I can't help you

Also was funny to see nlag camping blue gates at 2am too "guild only raid" though so it's cool yeh XD
Can't wait for the posts you make to justify it

Was 5 of us, Hardly a zerg. Prootch showed his face with his zerg trying to take the map while he thought pact was asleep. So we chased him to the gates. Was no pact zerg there at the gates. They didn't leave glademist after blues failed.

Thanks for the multiple disconnects out of the game this evening xD True smallscale skills AD showed today.

I don't try to justify anything at all btw. You seem to be ignoring my post about when tuvi was emp on azura, first thing I see when I log in is no pact keeps or scrolls at all. I go to kings alone and get rolled down by emp and his followers (not your raid but pugs).

Hypocrite much ? Guess we're all the same

Edit: Since you seem to have been on the ep zonechat, you sure must have seen me AND your favourite Kris writing to not take every single keep to kill PvP. Faregyl , BM, BB was yellow. Rayles warden too until I saw prootch and his "15 man group" sieging glademist and fail. Then we went to rayles with 5 guys opened it, was a few randoms who came (only a handful) and we even left the outer maingate open there.

Edit 2: Saw your post about my dethrone. You did not dethrone us with only 24. Was other yellows in that keep aswell while reds was splitted into chalman and BRK. You dethroned by having the entire DC population (exiles and prootch and god knows who) all in chalman, making my potatonet crash and unable to log in to help defend. When I did get into the game I was at our gates while you just opened up inner BRK.

Your dethrone try today was nice, and very interesting tbh since we ran around everywhere on the map while coordinating/trying to assist War-group. This part is not to troll, I'm honest that I enjoyed it. And we was less than you aswell in our group/raid.

You already seen my love for cold harbour stonetrebs, don't you think there would be one waiting for you at the last emp keep if I was online when you dethroned me?

Tomorrow we can all lagg out and point fingers about who has the biggest zerg again. But make no mistake, the force you brought to take down BRK today trying to dethrone was just as big as the EP zerg. And all factions was locked so no QQ about pop bars. Also got emp this time around 3 o clock middle of the day on a saturday, so was no nightcamp emp

DeanTheCat · April 2016

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

The only two reasons I play on Trueflame at all is as follows:

1) My guild (Wabbajack) has chosen that as their home campaign.

2) It's the only campaign consistently with any action in my Timezone.

I won't speak for NL (And I have no right to), as I'm not a member of their guild. I do however speak for the general views of the pact that logs in in the EU afternoon. What goes on in EU prime time is completely out of my control and I don't care about what does on then.

When I log on, I often log onto a full on siege of Arrius. Normally I spend my whole day defending Arrius keep while both AD and DC try their best to push it while the Nikel corridor is completely silent. It's only recently that I'm not forced to constantly fight at Arrius. And that is due to an Emperor who actually cares about holding on to his keeps and has the support needed to maintain his reign.

I am not responsible for the AD and DC leaving en mass from the campaign, nor am I responsible for the sheer amount of PvE heroes crawling out of the woodwork on EP side. Take your anger about the PvE heroes out on someone else. The only reason why I commented at all is that I detest the fact that you are basically thinking it is okay for EP to get constantly shoehorned into fighting at Arrius while when AD or DC does the exact same thing (Playing the objectives), it's perfectly fine.

I'm tired of having to constantly defend/retake Arrius whenever I log on. I want to fight somewhere else that isn't effing Arrius Lumbermill.

TL;DR: Everyone zergs, no matter what colour flies on their banner. There are only that many fights at any one time on the map.

Taresgos · April 2016

without big boss the yellow zerg play only on half power. appreciate it, all of you!

DeanTheCat · April 2016

Taresgos wrote: »

without big boss the yellow zerg play only on half power. appreciate it, all of you!

Nah. It's quarter power. They need their highly reliable Mutagen. Unless of course you play there =P

Duiwel · April 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Ofc we went for all the emp keeps middle of the day when all alliances was locked to crown me.

I just read this part & want to congratulate you.

Please continue the discussion as if this commend didn't exist

( see picture for everyone who is not Kas )

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2016

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Take your anger about the PvE heroes out on someone else. The only reason why I commented at all is that I detest the fact that you are basically thinking it is okay for EP to get constantly shoehorned into fighting at Arrius while when AD or DC does the exact same thing (Playing the objectives), it's perfectly fine.

Why do you think I'm angry lol? I have no problem with what's going on but I do have a problem with people bashing other groups and then doing exactly the same as them

It must be your timezone difference that you are playing a very different game to the rest of us. I don't actually remember a night in the last 45 days that AD wasn't pushed by both factions with blues taking roe and EP taking alessia

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO:

No more witty rebuttals to my previous post? I see you have taken the trouble to reply to Kris, yet you completely ignored my last post even though I directed it directly at you and was quite polite in my phrasing.

Khajiit is disappointed.

Buff campaign psychology doesn't need a reply this game stopped being competitive at the end of 2014. Everything else is just for fun. If you can't see that having a locked population vs low and medium at 2am uk time is the reason for your position in the campaign then I can't help you

Also was funny to see nlag camping blue gates at 2am too "guild only raid" though so it's cool yeh XD
Can't wait for the posts you make to justify it

Was 5 of us, Hardly a zerg. Prootch showed his face with his zerg trying to take the map while he thought pact was asleep. So we chased him to the gates. Was no pact zerg there at the gates. They didn't leave glademist after blues failed.

I don't try to justify anything at all btw. You seem to be ignoring my post about when tuvi was emp on azura, first thing I see when I log in is no pact keeps or scrolls at all. I go to kings alone and get rolled down by emp and his followers (not your raid but pugs).

Hypocrite much ? Guess we're all the same

What you don't appear to understand as a guild (I've asked 2 others and now you posted this) is the quality of the enemies you are fighting.

All I asked them was a very simple question "are you fighting pugs or enemy raids currently" one had to check on ts for an answer and then proceeded to flame me and challenge us to GVG which we've accepted (see you tonight) incase you weren't aware. And the other was just fighting yellows and didn't understand the question.

The point is imo a raid should be proportional to the enemies you face if you are fighting completely unorganised pugs maybe don't play as seriously with stacked deto timings etc unless emp is in real danger of being lost.

You are saying you are only 5 guys. But you are an organised group of 5 including emp vs complete pugs and you even want to use siege on them. The fact that emp siege 1 shots is completely *** but I don't blame you I blame @Wrobel
If you really wanted to generate a campaign where people can pvp but you still have emp you would let roe and ash be taken by ad and dc. The fact that as soon as roe is taken it is exactly your raid pushing back just proves that you don't.

Now prime time when there are actually other raid groups do whatever you do. But when a pop is on low or medium it's just stupid imo

Also you proved my entire point with " I go to kings alone and get rolled down by emp and his followers (not your raid but pugs)." You were fighting pug v pug not our raid.
That is exactly the difference so thanks for posting it.

VagabondAngel · April 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

If you can't see that having a locked population vs low and medium at 2am uk time is the reason for your position in the campaign then I can't help you

The sad thing about this is that prior to this campaign cycle, DC had a high/locked population at 2am + and would pretty much faceroll the map against smallscale defence, or simply PvDoor everything, regardless of how it looked at primetime (GMT)... The fact that EP players (presumably PvE heroes or the like) have come out from under a stone because the map looks good and and DC choose not to fight actual opposition, is just unfotunate.

But as usual, hypocrisy is rife, as is the fantasy that everyone smallscales and only the enemy zergs.

“In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity”
― Sun Tzu

Master_Kas · April 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

@Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO:

No more witty rebuttals to my previous post? I see you have taken the trouble to reply to Kris, yet you completely ignored my last post even though I directed it directly at you and was quite polite in my phrasing.

Khajiit is disappointed.

Buff campaign psychology doesn't need a reply this game stopped being competitive at the end of 2014. Everything else is just for fun. If you can't see that having a locked population vs low and medium at 2am uk time is the reason for your position in the campaign then I can't help you

Also was funny to see nlag camping blue gates at 2am too "guild only raid" though so it's cool yeh XD
Can't wait for the posts you make to justify it

Was 5 of us, Hardly a zerg. Prootch showed his face with his zerg trying to take the map while he thought pact was asleep. So we chased him to the gates. Was no pact zerg there at the gates. They didn't leave glademist after blues failed.

I don't try to justify anything at all btw. You seem to be ignoring my post about when tuvi was emp on azura, first thing I see when I log in is no pact keeps or scrolls at all. I go to kings alone and get rolled down by emp and his followers (not your raid but pugs).

Hypocrite much ? Guess we're all the same

What you don't appear to understand as a guild (I've asked 2 others and now you posted this) is the quality of the enemies you are fighting.

All I asked them was a very simple question "are you fighting pugs or enemy raids currently" one had to check on ts for an answer and then proceeded to flame me and challenge us to GVG which we've accepted (see you tonight) incase you weren't aware. And the other was just fighting yellows and didn't understand the question.

The point is imo a raid should be proportional to the enemies you face if you are fighting completely unorganised pugs maybe don't play as seriously with stacked deto timings etc unless emp is in real danger of being lost.

You are saying you are only 5 guys. But you are an organised group of 5 including emp vs complete pugs and you even want to use siege on them. The fact that emp siege 1 shots is completely *** but I don't blame you I blame @Wrobel
If you really wanted to generate a campaign where people can pvp but you still have emp you would let roe and ash be taken by ad and dc. The fact that as soon as roe is taken it is exactly your raid pushing back just proves that you don't.

Now prime time when there are actually other raid groups do whatever you do. But when a pop is on low or medium it's just stupid imo

Also you proved my entire point with " I go to kings alone and get rolled down by emp and his followers (not your raid but pugs)." You were fighting pug v pug not our raid.
That is exactly the difference so thanks for posting it.

Yeah I heard something about that question yesterday. We're fighting pugs except at the times when you guys, exiles and some other raids are running.

At night time its most often pugs aswell. But which guild would not kill pugs with timed proxies? I do not lead raids, so I can't tell people what to do and not do. I however will use detos on anyone since I'm a bomberblade, which you probably understand

I know sieging into their gates/spawn doesn't promote good PvP, and after some minutes when I saw that my favourite DC zerg wasn't there I logged off because I was bored.

Yeah I'm well aware of the GvG. Will be fun and hopefully we can do more than just one fight

Edit: Roe ash was taken yesterday, it was only when we wanted to secure a emp keep's in the backline to win some time for our people to get through the long ass EP queue (was over 100 some day ago) and we was 11 in group when the yellow force showed up. That noone took the keep afterwards we really can't be blamed for.

prootch · April 2016

Lol... our "zerg" of 12 this sunday afternoon...

It was so funny to see ep unable to def your emp keeps against 12... only to all lagstack on the last emp keep with 50+ ... so we actually did meet your ep Nsmallscale and friends on brk defense ^^

You bragging about smallscale and QQing on numbers is alway great forum fun.
Not that it matters, it's open rvr, so numbers are what thay are... but truly forum rofl.

Now we know for facts why you like to always n-hide in tf lag so much .... it protects your pugs train in prime time... and we did see the result when you tried and come to ebon (without your pug train) over the last weeks... just to get chain wiped by dc and ad groups alike... switching campaign after death as usual.

TF is playable mostly before 7pm and again only after 11.30/12 pm...
So we don't play there in prime time, we raid 9pm-11pm on ebon blade with 20-24

And we eventually get back TF when the lag goes down...
like yesterday around 11.30pm with... our zerg of 12.

Just to meet your funny Nzerg again

So thanks for:

- You chain k-mytho fantasm of Blackswords zerg... was 12 players yesterday when we did fight you. Then again... so much as I appreciate you being a true forum rage-fan that you yell my name each time you get butthurt by a dc player... I'm still not leading other dc guilds, and guess what... especially when we are not on trueflamme.

- your priceless "we were 5"... in the middle of... 50+ ep pugs #nrofl smallcase

- your ep pugs zerg "not being at the gate" but... nonetheless getting rekt on dc spawn door last night. Our 12 player zerg wiped some 30 ep spawn warriors running like headless chicken around the empty temple and spawn... at 2am.

Klag, the reality of butthurt nzerg pvp.
Kmytho, the true face of nrofl-smallscale and forum mythomania.

And again... since you seem to be somewhat slow : we do play raid 20-24 only in prime time 9pm-11pm. But on ebon - never - on your tf lag hide with usual ping over 500/600+, unplayable for 3 hours in prime time. So please don't stop /QQ zerg about a raid that is not even there...

Just Nrofl.

Kas · April 2016

prootch wrote: »

TF is playable mostly before 7pm and again only after 11.30/12 pm...
So we don't play there in prime time and we eventually get back there when the lag goes down...
like yesterday around 11.30pm with... our zerg of 12.

and that's when you bring the lag to ebony...
it's true that your group wasn't really big (at least yesterday). But the moment you joined ebony was when blue became pop locked in an instant (against two bars of yellow at the moment, became much more later, granted).

i don't know if you actively promote it or something, but you're being followed by 60+ DC pugs. in your campaign choice as well as on the battlefield

either way, all factions are full of winning team joiners or whatever you want to call them. saturday we were about 6-8 AD trying to do something against 30+ blues with emp. sunday it was the other way round.

imho a welcome change would be to scale extra AP (and xp, lol) even more heavily with having more keeps but to scale the battle bonuses (extra crit etc) negatively and much stronger (and maybe add something like bigger resource pools etc). i.e. if you dominate a map, you get tons of AP but it becomes much harder to fight. if you have zero keeps, everyone is almost at emp level and thus should be able to get something done. at the same time, without keep you get almost no AP so you actually want to turn them.

Duiwel · April 2016

My opinion about the pugs joining is after we lost Azura star they play follow the leader so regardless of alliance the pugs join the full campaigns because they assume it means strength.

To the weak strength in numbers is power. ( something I always say )

prootch · April 2016

And crap goes on...

I did connect late after dinner yesterday, ebon was already dc locked and the map all yellow (unfortunatly, this is the only playable campaign in prime time, thx to zos clever campaign caps) and the raid was launched there by another officer after lock. Then I did not lead at all yesterday whether on ebon or trueflamme.

Played 20-24 prime time on ebon without significant lag between 9 and 11pm... btw we play there for weeks... so much for so called lag effect.

We actually did fight off main fight targets on ebon, playing the map, cutting nikel communications west side and mainly against your ad emp group without other dc groups that were concentrated on east emp keeps.

So much for any dc call crap / dc groups follow up ^^

Lag actually happened on ebon as usual on the last emperor keep, when ad overstacked there with three raids in alessia and other dc groups came there as well... thx for zos last emp keeps concept and lag optimization powa !

Kas · April 2016

I'm not "Master_Kas". I guess DC's problem is that you don't have your own Kas.
But counting "how many" there is of something is not your strength, I know.
I was EB AD's emp yesterday and played as much as I never played on a single day, I think. Pretty sure "I was there"...

I first saw you somewhere around Glademist where you really had the smaller force and were zerged by AD players (who we desperately missed on Saturday). I went to dinner afetrwards and when I came back an hour later, 80'ish blues were just about to take Faregyl.

Duiwel · April 2016

Kas wrote: »

I'm not "Master_Kas". I guess DC's problem is that you don't have your own Kas.

Don't tempt me into making a Meister Kas char

prootch · April 2016

Edited above accordingly. I did mistake you with the crap dealer above... seems your group size QQ where so close. Lucky we don't need kas mythomania onboard dc side

I first saw you on nikel, ash, and brindle each time you came to def...

and rofl 80 dc on faregyl... if you have any footage please just check again.
I was scouting there at that time (main dc groups where fighting on alessia),

Maybe you did not realize the same players came back in faregyl with camps against 3 ad groups coming one after the other. I must have set half a dozen during this fight.

Or learn to count again

Lava_Croft · April 2016

Folks, it's always 12 of you versus 60 enemies.

DeanTheCat · April 2016

Dug this out of the old Azura's Star thread.

I know it isn't really accurate now, but with some minor edits it should be fine. It was posted by Izanagi all those months back.

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2508799#Comment_2508799

Etaniel · April 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Folks, it's always 12 of you versus 60 enemies.

ofc it is, they all have a reputation to uphold !

Kas · April 2016

prootch wrote: »

Edited above accordingly. I did mistake you with the crap dealer above... seems your group size QQ where so close. Lucky we don't need kas mythomania onboard dc side

I first saw you on nikel, ash, and brindle each time you came to def...

and rofl 80 dc on faregyl... if you have any footage please just check again.
I was scouting there at that time (main dc groups where fighting on alessia),

Maybe you did not realize the same players came back in faregyl with camps against 3 ad groups coming one after the other. I must have set half a dozen during this fight.

Or learn to count again

i can somewhat agree with your edited version. though let me tell you, you're really missing out.i'm owkring during the week, but in the weekend, I leave trueflame around 11am (because of lag). Let me tell you, this game can actually run with less than 50ping (at lease for me) and it's great fun. Sure, there was no show-stopping lag yesterday evening (except for the last emp keep, dunno how long that fight went on, i went to bed eventually), but even with 200ping this game is only a tiny bit of the fun it can be. and ~21:00 was nowhere near that fun.

and that's also what i tried to say in the first place: no idea if dc pugs follow your group or whatever, but seeing your name is highly correlated with pings over 150 on ebony and has been for the last weeks. it's great that you escape trueflame due to the lag, but ebony is not exactly happy to see you do that

Duiwel · April 2016

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Image

Two can play it that game

Meet the new AD meme

lol I just realised Dean is EP... so I will be making an EP one in due time gotta think of an appropriate picture for EP

DeanTheCat · April 2016

Duiwel wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Image

Two can play it that game

Meet the new AD meme

lol I just realised Dean is EP... so I will be making an EP one in due time gotta think of an appropriate picture for EP

Heh. I'm just quoting our dear Izanagi.

All credit goes to him for that image. Would have used a quote, but that thread has long since been locked, so I can't quote posts from that thread anymore. =/

Luigi_Vampa · April 2016

I prefer to PvP in healthy campaigns with actual competition, so thanks but no thanks.