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Stamina Sorcerers under the current PTS build, how are we doing?

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SturgeHammer
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Not gonna lie, some of the changes in today's patch notes make the outlook for Stam Sorcs a little bleak.

Here is a list of changes that could be relevant to Stam Sorc builds.

Areas of Concern:
-Bolt cost Nerf
-Roll Dodge Nerf
-Hasty retreat no longer stacking with Boundless Storm's major expedition
-Momentum cost increase
-Stam morph of Lightning Form does Not have Major Expedition
-Expert Hunter internal proc cool down increased
-Supernatural recovery nerf
-Caltrops no longer procs Adrenaline Rush for Redgaurds
-Stam regen bonus from Lycanthropy only active while transformation is slotted


Areas of Interest:
-Surge buff, is it worth using on Stam Sorc now?
-Dark Exchange, is it useful to Stam Sorc now?
-Racial Buffs to Orc, Wood Elf, Khajit, and Nord
-Continuous Attack buff


Gonna try it out later, it's possible I've missed some redeeming improvement, but in a vacuum these changes are gonna hurt. If any Stam Sorcs have gotten the chance to try things out yet, please post you initial reactions.
Edited by SturgeHammer on 28 July 2015 19:24
First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
Green-Thumb - Scale-Factor
Hist-Tree-Major - A-Late-One
Needs-Some-Help - Dead-Last
  • CP5
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    Surge got "attention" in the quality of life department at least, and i'm still waiting to see how dark deal works now, but if history is anything to go by...
  • Erock25
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    In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.
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  • SturgeHammer
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.

    Yep, I'll definitely still use boundless.
    First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
    Green-Thumb - Scale-Factor
    Hist-Tree-Major - A-Late-One
    Needs-Some-Help - Dead-Last
  • CP5
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    SturgeHammer wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.

    Yep, I'll definitely still use boundless.

    Same here, the class needs mobility to stay alive, so unless that damage morph works wonders...
  • SturgeHammer
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    Just edited the OP to point out a greater list of concerns and possible improvements. Will add to that list as I dig through more of the patch notes for Stam Sorc relevant changes.
    First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
    Green-Thumb - Scale-Factor
    Hist-Tree-Major - A-Late-One
    Needs-Some-Help - Dead-Last
  • Xael
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    I would post a jpeg of a toilet with a log in it... but you know how mods are.
    I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...
  • CP5
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    Also it seems the damage morph of lightning form isn't that grand either...

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2079077/#Comment_2079077
  • TBois
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    I'm downloading pts now as I uninstalled it recently, but there doesn't seem much to look forward to. From the patch notes, I don't expect to change anything from how I play, except I will be going back to vamp (WW currently) and will weigh nerf to block vs nerf to dodge roll to see if I wanna go SnB or DW on back bar of solo build.
    Edited by TBois on 28 July 2015 21:37
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  • Erock25
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    It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.
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  • CP5
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

    This day keeps getting interesting, is the animation a very clear tell for everyone in the world to interrupt you?
  • Erock25
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    CP5 wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

    This day keeps getting interesting, is the animation a very clear tell for everyone in the world to interrupt you?

    It is just a hand wave and a lot of purple crap surrounding you. By the time the purple crap shows up though, it is close to finished with the cast. Cast time seems pretty quick to me.
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  • Cathexis
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    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/201004/2-1-pts-patch-notes-stamina-sorcs-taking-it-hard-in-all-the-wrong-places#latest

    What we gained:
    A stamina boundless storm -- USELESS .. We don't have spell pierce!!
    Increased stam regen from dark exchange and change in mechanic (spammable cast, 1 second cast time while moving, mixed opinions)
    Longer surge duration with lower proc cooldown -- now those random heals will be slightly less unpredictable/unreliable/still trash
    Rank 5 Vigor
    Hidden blade major brutality buff
    Cammo hunter proc damage scaling off weapon damage
    Damage nerf
    Shield nerf
    Rune cage + morphs cast time removed

    What we lost:
    Ball of lightning duration reduced to 1.5 seconds -- one of our ONLY defences when retreating or finding cover where there is none
    BE cost nerf -- now we can only cast it twice, period
    Dodge roll nerf -- our only other defence when retreating
    Stamina regen stopped while blocking -- block builds further beaten down
    Werewolf stamina regen bonus -- because Stam regen wasn't bad enough already
    Hasty retreat bow passive nerf
    Increased cammo hunter proc duration
    Crit bonus from stealth on bonus proc on cammo hunter removed
    Healing nerf
    Damage nerf

    Pretty much a sideways move overall, if not a downward slant.
    Edited by Cathexis on 29 July 2015 06:11
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  • Vis
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    Erock25 wrote: »
    It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

    I was thinking the same thing this morning. We may become the new tanks because we're the only ones who can permablock and we self heal well too.
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  • Emma_Overload
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    I spent a few hours with my Sorc specced for stamina on the PTS today. I'm not happy.

    There have been many improvements to help stamina Sorcs, but there is still a huge GAMEBREAKING flaw: without a stamina morph for Conjured Ward, there is no way in hell stamina builds can survive in the same situations that magicka builds can.

    If you want to see my point, go try to kill the really tough mobs inside the Imperial Prison dungeon at VR15. I can just barely solo them with my magicka build, but I die within seconds with stamina. There is NO substitute for an 18K shield!

    Edited by Emma_Overload on 30 July 2015 06:12
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  • Tankqull
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    Vis wrote: »
    Erock25 wrote: »
    It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

    I was thinking the same thing this morning. We may become the new tanks because we're the only ones who can permablock and we self heal well too.

    you cant block while dark dealing - thus the perma blocking went overboard...
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