Stamina Sorcerers under the current PTS build, how are we doing?

SturgeHammer

Not gonna lie, some of the changes in today's patch notes make the outlook for Stam Sorcs a little bleak.

Here is a list of changes that could be relevant to Stam Sorc builds.

Areas of Concern:
-Bolt cost Nerf
-Roll Dodge Nerf
-Hasty retreat no longer stacking with Boundless Storm's major expedition
-Momentum cost increase
-Stam morph of Lightning Form does Not have Major Expedition
-Expert Hunter internal proc cool down increased
-Supernatural recovery nerf
-Caltrops no longer procs Adrenaline Rush for Redgaurds
-Stam regen bonus from Lycanthropy only active while transformation is slotted


Areas of Interest:
-Surge buff, is it worth using on Stam Sorc now?
-Dark Exchange, is it useful to Stam Sorc now?
-Racial Buffs to Orc, Wood Elf, Khajit, and Nord
-Continuous Attack buff


Gonna try it out later, it's possible I've missed some redeeming improvement, but in a vacuum these changes are gonna hurt. If any Stam Sorcs have gotten the chance to try things out yet, please post you initial reactions.

CP5

Surge got "attention" in the quality of life department at least, and i'm still waiting to see how dark deal works now, but if history is anything to go by...

Erock25

In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.

SturgeHammer

Erock25 wrote: »

In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.

Yep, I'll definitely still use boundless.

CP5

SturgeHammer wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

In PVP the Stam Sorc received nothing but nerfs. I bet a majority of Stam Sorcs still use Boundless over Thundering for the speed boost.

Yep, I'll definitely still use boundless.

Same here, the class needs mobility to stay alive, so unless that damage morph works wonders...

SturgeHammer

Just edited the OP to point out a greater list of concerns and possible improvements. Will add to that list as I dig through more of the patch notes for Stam Sorc relevant changes.

Xael

I would post a jpeg of a toilet with a log in it... but you know how mods are.

CP5

Also it seems the damage morph of lightning form isn't that grand either...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2079077/#Comment_2079077

TBois

I'm downloading pts now as I uninstalled it recently, but there doesn't seem much to look forward to. From the patch notes, I don't expect to change anything from how I play, except I will be going back to vamp (WW currently) and will weigh nerf to block vs nerf to dodge roll to see if I wanna go SnB or DW on back bar of solo build.

Erock25

It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

CP5

Erock25 wrote: »

It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

This day keeps getting interesting, is the animation a very clear tell for everyone in the world to interrupt you?

Erock25

CP5 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

This day keeps getting interesting, is the animation a very clear tell for everyone in the world to interrupt you?

It is just a hand wave and a lot of purple crap surrounding you. By the time the purple crap shows up though, it is close to finished with the cast. Cast time seems pretty quick to me.

Cathexis

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/201004/2-1-pts-patch-notes-stamina-sorcs-taking-it-hard-in-all-the-wrong-places#latest

What we gained:
A stamina boundless storm -- USELESS .. We don't have spell pierce!!
Increased stam regen from dark exchange and change in mechanic (spammable cast, 1 second cast time while moving, mixed opinions)
Longer surge duration with lower proc cooldown -- now those random heals will be slightly less unpredictable/unreliable/still trash
Rank 5 Vigor
Hidden blade major brutality buff
Cammo hunter proc damage scaling off weapon damage
Damage nerf
Shield nerf
Rune cage + morphs cast time removed

What we lost:
Ball of lightning duration reduced to 1.5 seconds -- one of our ONLY defences when retreating or finding cover where there is none
BE cost nerf -- now we can only cast it twice, period
Dodge roll nerf -- our only other defence when retreating
Stamina regen stopped while blocking -- block builds further beaten down
Werewolf stamina regen bonus -- because Stam regen wasn't bad enough already
Hasty retreat bow passive nerf
Increased cammo hunter proc duration
Crit bonus from stealth on bonus proc on cammo hunter removed
Healing nerf
Damage nerf

Pretty much a sideways move overall, if not a downward slant.

Vis

Erock25 wrote: »

It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. We may become the new tanks because we're the only ones who can permablock and we self heal well too.

Emma_Overload

I spent a few hours with my Sorc specced for stamina on the PTS today. I'm not happy.

There have been many improvements to help stamina Sorcs, but there is still a huge GAMEBREAKING flaw: without a stamina morph for Conjured Ward, there is no way in hell stamina builds can survive in the same situations that magicka builds can.

If you want to see my point, go try to kill the really tough mobs inside the Imperial Prison dungeon at VR15. I can just barely solo them with my magicka build, but I die within seconds with stamina. There is NO substitute for an 18K shield!

Tankqull

Vis wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

It is funny but Dark Deal (the one that restores stam and hp) is actually better as a magicka user than a stam user. It has a 1 second cast time (full speed movement while casting) to restore 2200 stam/hp at the cost of 1500 magicka.

I was thinking the same thing this morning. We may become the new tanks because we're the only ones who can permablock and we self heal well too.

you cant block while dark dealing - thus the perma blocking went overboard...