I hate affect and effect.... I say we make a new word aeffect (Pronounced A-FEKT) that means to affect and to effect. We all know what we mean when we use one or the other.

But to the topic. I'd be fine if I could just see my shadow in first person. I miss my shadow.

"First person isn't inferior to third-person it is different"... yea, and "Taking all the mirrors off my car and blacking out all windows but the windshield does not make it harder to drive!" I like playing in first person for fun (both on ESO and other TES games, but the simple fact is -you ARE- playing an inferior style. For group play, if you are using first person you are without a doubt doing worse than you should and other players have every right to call that inferior play. I mean, go into a trial and tell your group "I play in first-person" and see what happens. I'm sure they won't mind at all.

PKMN12 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Now see.....if the developers would have gone with cosmetic modding, this could already be in the game. Well, -your- game, if you wanted it.

But noooooooooo. UI modding only. Such carp.

You.....do not understand mmos....cause if you did you would know EXAM TRY why they were not allowed and that allowing cosmetic mods would have made this game even harder.

I....understand MMO's just fine. Also, other, older MMO's have cosmetic modding and they're doing peachy. Who cares as long as only the person with the cosmetic mod sees what it does to the game? I certainly don't.

PKMN12 wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

Now see.....if the developers would have gone with cosmetic modding, this could already be in the game. Well, -your- game, if you wanted it.

But noooooooooo. UI modding only. Such carp.

You.....do not understand mmos....cause if you did you would know EXAM TRY why they were not allowed and that allowing cosmetic mods would have made this game even harder.

What is your problem, @PKMN12? Is there a reason you must continuously insult players for preferring first person view? There's absolutely no reason for the way you're reacting to a simple poll.

Not only that, you're way off topic. This poll/thread was about a more realistic first person. You've pretty much turned it into a first person hate thread. Please do us all a favor and....

I love the FP option in the game. Could use more FoV tough.

For more realistic you can use this mod: Helmet FoV

For a cool balance between both worlds, when in combat 3rd person, when moving around out of combat 1rst person, this mod: iView.

Alternate world: Only can play in FP, then you don't have to worry about 3rd view advantages.

I'm okay with them making 1st person view "more immersive", on the condition that there is a way for your group to know if you are in first person. Lost count how many times I wonder how someone was even adept enough to play the game and spent so much time standing in the red......because first person

Otherwise for the single player, I don't care as I never use it.

Cogo wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

I'm okay with them making 1st person view, on the condition that there is a way for your group to know if you are in first person. Lost count how many times I wonder how someone was even adept enough to play the game and spent so much time standing in the red......because first person

Otherwise for the single player, I don't care as I never use it.

I dont use 1st person in groups simply because I get less effective.

Alone. First!
Both views are very valid. Why is this even a problem?

It's not a problem for solo play. But in groups you simply can not see everything going on (I started ESO in 1st person myself until grouping more, lesson learned)....and usually in groups I'm healing, so pet peeve you might say if a player is taking more damage than they should reasonably be taking.

PKMN12 wrote: »

Um, they have has third person since morrowind, no one uses it because the controls were near unplayable

Umm...I've used third person exclusively since Morrowind. Had absolutely no problems with controlling or playing my characters.

I play in third person view. . . I find it difficult to target AOE spells where I want them and to cast them at all while in first person view. . . I don't see how its even possible to heal in this game in first person view , you would have almost no battlefield awareness.

I honestly dont use first preson as is, because i like to see everything. that said i won't be against the few that want it to have it.

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nastuug wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

The reason you say it's inferior is because it limits spacial awareness. That makes it more difficult to compete. That means first person is harder. That means third person is easy mode. What's not to understand?

Cause that is simply not how that works. Do you REALLY think anyone would use first person in Dark Souls? If you do, then you do not understand the community or even the point in that game.

Again, this isn't Dark Souls. Would DS be completely different if it were first person? Of course. But this is a whole other animal of games.

When you're talking about a PVP competitive aspect that was forced into a (previously) single-player, full PVE experience, you will see those mindsets clash. And why not? It only makes logical sense; if a person can use a third person camera angle to gain an upper hand where in previous installments of a game series this was not possible, it would seem overpowered/unfair/etc.

Um, they have has third person since morrowind, no one uses it because the controls were near unplayable

Thus by the logic being used in this rhread, using first person in tes is easy mode and only for people who do not want a challenge

I played Morrowind for countless hours exclusively in 3rd person. I know people who almost always play TES games in 3rd person. I know people who switch between views depending on what they're doing. It's perfectly playable, trust me.

Happy with the current first person view & certainly glad ZOS added it to this game.

I had to look back at what you were talking about @Soulshine. That was three months ago!

I'll admit I was being a bit of a stain there. I was presenting my viewpoint from a position of defensiveness. I have no problem with people who play in 3rd vs 1st. I actually agree with what both sides of the argument were stating.

Playing in 1st person does reduce spatial awareness and a player who is playing in 1st person cannot react as quickly to the surrounding threats as a player who is playing in 3rd person. A 1st person player is limiting their ability and that does make it more difficult for a 1st person player to be as effective as a 3rd person player, especially in a group. 1st person DOES create a handicap.

So if you have two players and one is playing 1st person and one is playing 3rd person and they both perform equally well... the 1st person player performed a more difficult task. Now... will that EVER happen? maybe not

Honestly, I don't give a flying fox fanny what person plays in what perspective... I'm not a competitive player. I'm an immersion player. I do not, however, agree that one viewstyle is inferior to the other because both offer benefits to the player and, like many things in ESO, it really is a matter of taste and opinion.

Every time I have tried 3rd person, I feel like I am copping out. I do not care for 3rd person. I highly prefer 1st person, but that's me. I stand by the content of my statements, but they were delivered with an intentionally adversarial tone. I admit, I took offense to the statement that "1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way" because I feel 1st person enhances my experience in every way and my stance and perspective was defensive because of that.

I agree:

Soulshine wrote: »

To each his own and may each enjoy.

I would love this view. But I don't think dev will put any resources on 1st person view no more.