Would you like realistic 1st person view?

Nic727 · April 2015

Hi,

what about making the 1st person view a bit more immersive?

What I mean is something like that :
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TUnZ4UZMt2Q/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUnZ4UZMt2Q

They did the same in Battlefield or Crysis.
Now we just have a floating head lol.

PKMN12 · April 2015

um, sorry to burst your bubble, but first person was never even MEANT to be in teh game to begin with. they only added it after the TES fanboys who have never played a multiplayer game complained about it. 1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

Nic727 · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

um, sorry to burst your bubble, but first person was never even MEANT to be in teh game to begin with. they only added it after the TES fanboys who have never played a multiplayer game complained about it. 1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

ok didn't know.

Thank you

Ganacampo · April 2015

ESO's 1st person view is already more realistic than Skyrim's.

For example you see your hand when opening a door etc.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

Shadow effects will simply tax your GPU more, and I doubt they will draw your attention further.

In the scenarios where it truly counts, you're focused on things other than background lighting.

It would be nice to see a foot marker for precision placing (cliffside, etc) though.

Gidorick · April 2015

"PKMN12 wrote: »

1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

Says someone who likes 'easy' mode.

I, and many others, wouldn't have ever even tried ESO of it was only 3rd person. I LIKE that 1st person is confusing and more difficult. What you call 'detriments' I call benefits.

PKMN12 · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

"PKMN12 wrote: »

1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

Says someone who likes 'easy' mode.

I, and many others, wouldn't have ever even tried ESO of it was only 3rd person. I LIKE that 1st person is confusing and more difficult. What you call 'detriments' I call benefits.

then you are now weaker and are going to to MUCH Worse in PVP and PVE cause of it.

Not easy mode, common sense. Would you rather mow the lawn with a pair of scissors when you have a lawnmower in the garage? no, no you would not.

Gidorick · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

"PKMN12 wrote: »

1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

Says someone who likes 'easy' mode.

I, and many others, wouldn't have ever even tried ESO of it was only 3rd person. I LIKE that 1st person is confusing and more difficult. What you call 'detriments' I call benefits.

then you are now weaker and are going to to MUCH Worse in PVP and PVE cause of it.

Not easy mode, common sense. Would you rather mow the lawn with a pair of scissors when you have a lawnmower in the garage? no, no you would not.

But I'm not mowing the lawn. I'm playing a game. I do fine in PVE and I'm not really interested in PVP.

That's OK. You like God of War. I like Dark Souls. There's room for both of us in this game.

Athas24 · April 2015

There's no way anyone could be even remotely effective in PVP using a first person point of view. It's just not gonna happen. You would miss out on everything happening on the battlefield. You would never turn in time to fend off an attack from behind. Dodging trebs and such would also be terrible. I'd be so mad if I had a guy "watching my back" while I was on a treb only to find out he was in 1st person and didn't see the 3 people coming for me when he could have due to his narrow field of view. First person can be fun or whatever in pve sure, but it doesn't make the game harder... just more annoying when fighting. If one wanted to make the game harder, they would only need to wear terrible gear when questing/dungeon running etc.

The dev's had it completely right when they said 1st person has no place in the game but I do like that we have the option so that when I'm in a city I can run around safely in 1st person if I feel like it.. which I rarely do but it's a nice option

Gidorick · April 2015

Just because you guys don't have the skills to handle it doesn't mean it can't be done.

PKMN12 · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

"PKMN12 wrote: »

1st person view is detrimental to your gameplay in EVERY way when there is a third person avaliable, and they explained this time and time again, with backup from the people who actually know how this kind of thing works, and STIL people complained. They finally gave in and added what we have no but with SERIOUS disagrements about it.

not only would this NOT be easy in the first place, but the simple fact that the company already was against having 1st person ANYWAY makes this a "never going to happen" kind of thing.

Says someone who likes 'easy' mode.

I, and many others, wouldn't have ever even tried ESO of it was only 3rd person. I LIKE that 1st person is confusing and more difficult. What you call 'detriments' I call benefits.

then you are now weaker and are going to to MUCH Worse in PVP and PVE cause of it.

Not easy mode, common sense. Would you rather mow the lawn with a pair of scissors when you have a lawnmower in the garage? no, no you would not.

But I'm not mowing the lawn. I'm playing a game. I do fine in PVE and I'm not really interested in PVP.

That's OK. You like God of War. I like Dark Souls. There's room for both of us in this game.

i actually HATE the God of war series, stupid as all sin and Dark souls is a GREAT Series, one of the best RPG/action adventure games that have been recently released. Actually, the ONLY reason i do not have bloodborne is cause i have yet to see it in any gaming stores yet.\

and guess what, if there was a first person mode in the Dark souls series, guess what, no one would use it, for the EXACT same reasons i say here.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]

BeardLumber · April 2015

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

PKMN12 · April 2015

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Rosveen · April 2015

Has it occured to you that not everyone wants to be competitive in PvP or PvE? Some of us like to quest. Some like to roleplay. Some are busy with leveling 16 alts. If they're happy with first person view, who are you to tell them they're playing the game wrong? This is still an Elder Scrolls game, not just a battlefield. The existence of first person view isn't detrimental to your gameplay, so let people play the way they like and stop with the condescending tone.

PKMN12 · April 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Has it occured to you that not everyone wants to be competitive in PvP or PvE? Some of us like to quest. Some like to roleplay. Some are busy with leveling 16 alts. If they're happy with first person view, who are you to tell them they're playing the game wrong? This is still an Elder Scrolls game, not just a battlefield. The existence of first person view isn't detrimental to your gameplay, so let people play the way they like and stop with the condescending tone.

because if you are in my group and you are using 1st person, you ARE effecting my game play because you cannot see as much and thus are are not as effective as you could be.

Gidorick · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

lihentian · April 2015

Am not sure about this.. but i don't use first person much...

PKMN12 · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

Athas24 · April 2015

hey hey hey. I agree that we should all lighten up and just let people play in their inferior first person pt of view if they want. I just wouldn't group with them. ha-ha.

UrQuan · April 2015

Rosveen wrote: »

Some are busy with leveling 16 alts.

Yes? Did you call me?

nastuug · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

I think he/she is referring to the fact that you can see around corners/objects in an unrealistic fashion with third person camera angles. A common complain in certain FPS games.

BeardLumber · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you on this. Just because you don't like 1st person doesn't make it inferior, just because your spacial awareness is limited doesn't make it inferior. Really the only thing that makes someone inferior at a game such as this is the players skill and ability to learn and adapt.

Some prefer the challenge that 1st person offers and some of those people over come those challenges thus experiencing the game in a different way.

If people playing in 1st person really boils your blood I suggest you double check with everyone you group with so your gameplay isn't effected. Otherwise leave people alone.

nastuug · April 2015

Ganacampo wrote: »

ESO's 1st person view is already more realistic than Skyrim's.

For example you see your hand when opening a door etc.

Sounds like OP is meaning more like a Battlefield game. Where there's a ton of headbob and facial camera movement to watch what hands are doing. Hands actually grasping objects, twisting door knobs, etc.

PKMN12 · April 2015

So....ssomehow losing all spacial awareness is NOT a horrible thing and makes you worse......

As for the looking around corner thing, welcome tto playing an rpg And not an fps.

qsnoopyjr · April 2015

Always find it ironic how many great modders there are out there, yet I get a feeling they don't even do that stuff as there job.

Like the person who is modding Morrowind to make the rest of tameriel, people like those guys need to get hired to work for this game.

Was trying to find a good video to share on here, but all that really happened was those videos making me want to quit this game to go play Morrowind!

Morrowind battle music, and the NPCs have better jokes/sayings than this game.
You know when they made Oblivion and Skyrim and have the map of Tameriel, I was always hoping for an expansion to bring me back to Morrowind, but they let me down. Enough of Skyrim and Oblivion I say, bring back MORROWIND!

But yes back to topic, I would like more realistic 1st person camera.

However I was thinking of it differently as it was shown. Like how I was thinking of it was more in terms of if someone dazes you your screen like goes bonkers and you cant tell whats going on, and when someone knocks you down you feel as though you got knocked down, like your screen animates you getting knocked down and you starring at the sky while on your back.

Also when you break stun, maybe make your screen go ragemode or something. You know what game did the best it could for first person camera? Quake 1, that game, when you got the Quad Damage, your screen would literally change blue or purple, and it made you sound like you was beastmode. When you got the Pentagram, your screen would change orange or red and pretty much you felt unstoppable. When breaking stun in this game, your screen should do something like quad damage or pentagram feeling in Quake 1. I feel pretty beastmode by hearing my toon go "RAWRRR" after breaking stun, but it needs screen effects too. That's one thing I've been noticing these games lacking, not just TESO but other games as well.

Strongly recommend the developers to go play Quake 1 and get a feeling about that game, its a 5 star game in my mind. Graphics maybe way out of date, but you get GL Quake and it feels more modern, but play it in its original form its the best. Lots of games could learn a thing or two and using simple stuff that made Quake 1 successful, could make your game a lot better than it currently is.

Like another thing, fall damage, Quake 1 does it perfectly too. Like seeing red and what not and hearing the grunt, everything is perfect for what it was capable of doing. This current generation is capable of WELL BEYOND that, yet I think Quake 1 beats most games still, not just FPS but other games as well. People just don't play it due to its age. Quake 2-5, friggin joke, they followed the wrong format. You can clearly see the difference between Quake 1 and Quake 2-5.

I feel like this game should give you power increase after you break stun, because the "RAWRR" is pretty spot on, and that's one of the things I really like about this game, it just needs more stuff like that. But seriously you should add a power increase when breaking stuns, like for a brief 5 seconds or so... Even the hand and arm and body animations when breaking stun is spot on. It's like the beast is in ragemode, that deserves a power increase.

Casdha · April 2015

I was one of the ones who would have never tried this game if not for the adding of 1st person view, with that said I hardly ever play 1st person view. That is not to say I don't still like it or play it from time to time.

To me its all about immersion vs game play. I feel sorry for all of the folks that can't understand this when true VR games come out. Are you gonna insist on having eyes in the back and sides of your head? I don't think a set of glasses will be able to accomplish this medical miracle. Now if you go in to play a game vs visit the world that is fine but there would no competition against a person that has a 360 view on a 2D screen. Oculus might as well not exist if this is the only way folks plan on playing games.

Gidorick · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

The reason you say it's inferior is because it limits spacial awareness. That makes it more difficult to compete. That means first person is harder. That means third person is easy mode. What's not to understand?

PKMN12 · April 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

The reason you say it's inferior is because it limits spacial awareness. That makes it more difficult to compete. That means first person is harder. That means third person is easy mode. What's not to understand?

Cause that is simply not how that works. Do you REALLY think anyone would use first person in Dark Souls? If you do, then you do not understand the community or even the point in that game.

nastuug · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

The reason you say it's inferior is because it limits spacial awareness. That makes it more difficult to compete. That means first person is harder. That means third person is easy mode. What's not to understand?

Cause that is simply not how that works. Do you REALLY think anyone would use first person in Dark Souls? If you do, then you do not understand the community or even the point in that game.

Again, this isn't Dark Souls. Would DS be completely different if it were first person? Of course. But this is a whole other animal of games.

When you're talking about a PVP competitive aspect that was forced into a (previously) single-player, full PVE experience, you will see those mindsets clash. And why not? It only makes logical sense; if a person can use a third person camera angle to gain an upper hand where in previous installments of a game series this was not possible, it would seem overpowered/unfair/etc.

Gidorick · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

boisits wrote: »

Why can't people just accept the fact that there are players who enjoy 1st person view? Why should it matter if you think it's an inferior way to play. Some people prefer it and it should be left at that.

I for one don't play in 1st person, but I love to look at the landscape in 1st person. There are reasons to have 1st view and I am glad it was included in the game.

Ya'll need to lighten up, it is Friday after all.

there is no "think" here, it IS an inferior way of playing. You cannot see as much, your veiw is only a VERY narrow line in front of you.

This is still an MMO, that means, in grouped content, like PVP and PVE, people are relying on you to help them, by you using an option that makes you completely worthless at spacial awareness, you are basically saying "I do not care about anyone but myself, and i do not care about the others in my group"

Well I attest that playing in 3rd person is taking the easy way out. You learn new tactics. You adapt to first person. First person gives players additional challenges and changes the game dramatically. A group of four that has completed a dungeon in first person accomplishes something different than those that complete it in third person.

Third person is a cop out.

Why? Because you do not like it? Your argument maked no sense.

The reason you say it's inferior is because it limits spacial awareness. That makes it more difficult to compete. That means first person is harder. That means third person is easy mode. What's not to understand?

Cause that is simply not how that works. Do you REALLY think anyone would use first person in Dark Souls? If you do, then you do not understand the community or even the point in that game.

talking about eso.

Moonscythe · April 2015

PKMN12 wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Has it occured to you that not everyone wants to be competitive in PvP or PvE? Some of us like to quest. Some like to roleplay. Some are busy with leveling 16 alts. If they're happy with first person view, who are you to tell them they're playing the game wrong? This is still an Elder Scrolls game, not just a battlefield. The existence of first person view isn't detrimental to your gameplay, so let people play the way they like and stop with the condescending tone.

because if you are in my group and you are using 1st person, you ARE effecting my game play because you cannot see as much and thus are are not as effective as you could be.

Then you should be sure that your group is on the same page as you and hope all the people you want to fight are in 1st person. You are not the only right person in the world. (and it's affecting not effecting)

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