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Vigor. New AvA Skill in 1.6
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Maldamus✭✭✭Yes easily achievable, the times when i play its done easily, this as a solo healer, and by all who have killed me(many)will admit,I'm an ap pinata.I cant pvp for the life in me, never have been able to, but to say that this skill is unreachable/un-achievable is absolute b***s**t. Fact is the the first 10 ranks required or so are granted far too easily, Christ just doing the tutorial,places you at rank 2, then after the ranks of 10+ there is scaleing, not even harsh from 15 or so, yes you have to work a little, ie: do the pvp time,its still easy.Why can no one see this as a nice incentive to increase participation in pvp .Its not essential to any build, never has been, granted it now adds some diversity to ALL builds, that been said work for it, its not even hard work.
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Again.... if you want it... and you deem it necessary for your build. Then earn it... like we all didraffai.tamasb16_ESO wrote: »All_Bizniz wrote: »Getting the undaunted passives for Non-pve people is impossible to get. same damn difference. You worked to get your rank and i worked hard to get mine... that's why its called grinding
Getting Undaunted to level 5 requires about a week to do daily pledges for an hour a day. That gives you access to all active abilities. Add a few hours on the top of that to finish off the remaining normal instances and you're already around level 7. The passives are nice but not life-changer. You get a lot of skill points along the way too which in itself worth the effort.
PvP gives enough reward for participation for the ones who like it. I only don't like the direction where it goes by putting in essential skills for some playstyles that need an endless grind for it. ZOS identified it correctly that some stamina builds need a skill like that for pure survival but put it in the wrong place. (Hell why not Fighters guild?)2 -
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Ah but there is literally NO WAY to grind out Rank 24 in a week, that's the difference. You can do the Undaunted "grind" just doing the Gold Key each day (nothing more) and still get high enough for all the Passives in a few weeks, the same cannot be said for Rank 24 in PvP. It would take you several weeks of serious hard core PvP'ing with a good group that does nothing but farm D'ticks and the like. That's assuming you could even get it in less than 1 month.All_Bizniz wrote: »
^^ LOL I play the game the way i want to play... and the same is said for you. Don't want to grind for the ability? Then don't complain when you don't have it... like i feel about the undaunted passivesAll_Bizniz wrote: »Getting the undaunted passives for Non-pve people is impossible to get. same damn difference. You worked to get your rank and i worked hard to get mine... that's why its called grinding
Wow you can grind out undaunted passives in less than a week and you say they are impossible? They are 'impossible' because you don't want to do dungeons that take <20 minutes to do each.
^^ LMAO! and this guy wants it in a week... I WANT IT NOW SAYS THE FORUM-WARRIORS. Your tears are water for my plants
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Then start PVPing. Simple right?All_Bizniz wrote: »Getting the undaunted passives for Non-pve people is impossible to get. same damn difference. You worked to get your rank and i worked hard to get mine... that's why its called grinding
With that assumption, you can knock out the Undaunted Passives in a week or three, max. The veteran dungeons are (very) unlikely to be beyond your skill level.
You may not want to do it, if you don't like PvE. But you could. For a typical PvE player, getting Vigor would require at least an order of magnitude more time.
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Sacadon✭✭✭✭✭Just making sure all knows of the almost exact discussion going on here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/152038/alliance-war-10-grind-completely-unreasonable#latest0 -
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What? I said nothing about wanting Rank 24 in a week, I was referring to you arguing with @Yodased that Undaunted is impossible for PvP'ers. I was specifically making the point that the 2 aren't a good comparison in your argument since Rank 24 takes FAR longer than a week. Maybe you should learn to read before making accusations. Also your comment:All_Bizniz wrote: »^^ LMAO! and this guy wants it in a week... I WANT IT NOW SAYS THE FORUM-WARRIORS. Your tears are water for my plants
Undaunted isn't REMOTELY as hard or time consuming to get high enough for the passives as Rank 24 is for the new Vigor ability.All_Bizniz wrote: »Getting the undaunted passives for Non-pve people is impossible to get. same damn difference. You worked to get your rank and i worked hard to get mine... that's why its called grindingEdited by DeLindsay on 17 February 2015 21:582 -
All_Bizniz✭✭✭Undaunted isn't REMOTELY as hard or time consuming to get high enough for the passives as Rank 24 is for the new Vigor ability.
^^ It is though in my opinion. same as rank 24 is hard for you... again... you play what you want to play and ill play what i want to play. I'm not the one on the forums begging for a nerf to a PVP ABILITY... cause... ya know.... its a PVP ability and you're to lazy to do it
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Good then we agree on something, I'm not begging for a nerf to an ability within the Alliance War section either. I hope they don't change Vigor at all, just the Rank required to gain access to it. But as I'm too lazy to work for it, maybe it should be left to all YOU elite PvP'ers, cheers.All_Bizniz wrote: »^^ It is though in my opinion. same as rank 24 is hard for you... again... you play what you want to play and ill play what i want to play. I'm not the one on the forums begging for a nerf to a PVP ABILITY... cause... ya know.... its a PVP ability and you're to lazy to do itEdited by DeLindsay on 17 February 2015 21:591 -
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✭✭✭Its not just about PvErs wanting it .... there are many PvPers that do not have the time to get 100K AP a day or whatever the advised amount is to get the rank in the skillline. Iv played PvP for 4 months on my VR14 and she is only AR16. SIXTEEN; FOUR MONTHS.
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All_Bizniz✭✭✭
Time to pew pew
Good then we agree on something, I'm not begging for a nerf to an ability within the Alliance War section either. I hope they don't change Vigor at all, just the Rank required to gain access to it. But as I'm too lazy to work for it, maybe it should be left to all YOU elite PvP'ers, cheers.All_Bizniz wrote: »^^ It is though in my opinion. same as rank 24 is hard for you... again... you play what you want to play and ill play what i want to play. I'm not the one on the forums begging for a nerf to a PVP ABILITY... cause... ya know.... its a PVP ability and you're to lazy to do it
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✭✭✭Princess_Asgari wrote: »It will stay as is.
then i guess 95% of the playerbase wont have it.
please continue with your elitist and close minded way of thinking. it is definitely helping the game as a whole.Edited by Cody on 17 February 2015 22:051 -
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NB ganker is complaining he doesn't get enough AP. Maybe get a group?Princess_Asgari wrote: »It will stay as is.
then i guess 95% of the playerbase wont have it.
please continue with your elitist and close minded way of thinking. it is definitely helping the game as a whole.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Princess_Asgari wrote: »It will stay as is. It shouldn't be lowered to appease the casuals. Pvp has been gimped from the start and need some form of incentive to get the PvE baddies to come PVP for a bit before this game has zero pvp left.
Hey, AD is here any time you want a fight!
Come on over to Ash every now and again, we like having Covenant over for some tea and siege exchange. It's like a lore-friendly tupperware party.
For real though, you run with a good group, why do you care how many PvE folk are incentivized to come PvP more? Do you actually like wiping bads more than engaging in competitive battles? Gurl that don't sound like your team.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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ehm no. Stamina users need a good heal, those that dont want to be forced into 2h. Why deny stamina users a good heal without breaking through a giant wall of grind.
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✭✭✭✭Another item ticked off of the list stuff to be casualfied.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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✭✭Vigor will be available from Alliance Rank 5 in next big update, coming after the console release in June.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
Septimus Rulanir - Orsimer Templar
Septimus Desmoru - Khajiit Necromancer
Septimus Iroh - Dunmer Dragon Knight
Septimus Thragar - Dunmer Nightblade
Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
Septimus Nerox - Redguard Warden
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Observant✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Vigor will be available from Alliance Rank 5 in next big update, coming after the console release in June.
Hense why I resurrected this thread.
Some of us have been working really hard to achieve that goal, now the PVE'ers have all the skill perks AND the gold from all those tasty loot dropsEdited by Observant on 17 April 2015 14:39Vehemence0 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Congratulations to all noob whiners pvpers that think things will change if they get this skill.
Nothing will change, you will be the same noob as before and probly u ll complaing for another thing.0 -
Cagro✭✭✭Me personally do not even like PVE. I just do not have the time to get to Rank 10. I think most people who PVP just want to compete against other players rather than grind for a single ability.0 -
sagitter✭✭✭✭✭Me personally do not even like PVE. I just do not have the time to get to Rank 10. I think most people who PVP just want to compete against other players rather than grind for a single ability.
Don't have the time? are you playing some months than you leave? or are you playing only 1 day in a week? because i play only about 2 hours/day pvp and not everyday and i got 1 char lvl 22 ava and another lvl 19 since April 14 just having fun in pvp . If you feel like grinding in pvp than you are not having fun. I have not already got vigor, but i like the fact that it is at ava 24, it is satisfaction and incentives me to pvp more. I wish more high ava level abilities in the future, but ppl here want easy things, and that s sad.0 -
Cagro✭✭✭Me personally do not even like PVE. I just do not have the time to get to Rank 10. I think most people who PVP just want to compete against other players rather than grind for a single ability.
Don't have the time? are you playing some months than you leave? or are you playing only 1 day in a week? because i play only about 2 hours/day pvp and not everyday and i got 1 char lvl 22 ava and another lvl 19 since April 14 just having fun in pvp . If you feel like grinding in pvp than you are not having fun. I have not already got vigor, but i like the fact that it is at ava 24, it is satisfaction and incentives me to pvp more. I wish more high ava level abilities in the future, but ppl here want easy things, and that s sad.
I started playing since June 2014 with my now main account for about an hour a day (sometimes more) and I am still level 49. I do enjoy PVP but the leveling there is too slow plus the skyshards in Cyrodiil (I got them all) are not enough. I am currently finishing up the story in Coldharbour while getting the final skyshards there. I am not planning to get the skyshards in the other factions but rather just dedicate myself to PVP as soon as I finish Coldharbour. I think this game forces people to PVE in order to be competitive in PVP.
Personally, I do not know how long it takes to get Vigor but I did read many other people posts that it may take months to get. I just want to finish my planned stamina build so I can learn it well and Vigor is an essential part of it. In conclusion, I just want to PVP without being penalized for not playing long hours. If I lose a match, I want to lose due to skill not lacking an ability.0 -
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✭You can reach Undaunted 6-8 with month of spending 30 minutes doing daily veteran pledges. With 30 minutes per day spent in Cyrodiil, you'll reach... nothing. This is why people were complaining.
I do laugh at the attitude of some PvP players behaving like they were some sort of uber-beings, and then seeing them fail miserably in group dungeons or even on soloable bosses etc.maybe it should be left to all YOU elite PvP'ers, cheers.
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egosumacunnus✭✭✭Reduce the rank of Vigor, the one thing missing from stamina builds is a good heal and having to PvP for weeks to get it, meh.If real life had a block function i would go out more.
Proud to have spent a year paying to BETA test ESO for consoles.
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