So, 130 in Queue...

Lorkhan · October 2014

thornblade = a server with action 24 hours a day
azura = a bit of action when thorn is full. 2/3 hours a day

i choose thornblade because sometimes i play in the morning, sometimes at afternoon, sometimes at evening. i tried play chillrend in the past, and i see queue is no problem. cyrodill with no players is the problem.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Durham wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

I am going to assume you are AD because the highest queue I've heard of for DC is about 50. I personally have never been in a queue over 20.

Reroll, friend ;D

No ... people will quit ... I have no connection to AD personally. MY guild would prefer to be allowed to switch sides for 30 days or even 90 days.. We hate the Qs .. Most of us are 30+ and cant handle a regrind. I will not re-invest all the time i have in new toons.. I work,married, and have kids so doing the grind is out of the question would take way to long.....

Last night 90 in Q ...
48 minutes later in PVP
PVP 5 minutes later crash to desk top .. but was able to log back into pvp..
15 minutes later server crash kicked from PVP
15 minutes in Q faster Q this time...
40 minutes later server crash kicked from PVP
15 minutes Q ...log back in crash to desktop
Back in Q 50 minutes lol.
After 1:30 am no more crashes or server resets..
But all in all horrid night for PVP....*

The solution is in your hands, but you refuse to use it.

Then suffer.

OrangeTheCat · October 2014

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

TheBull · October 2014

I like the idea of not showing the population numbers.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

Incorrect.

Not only is it a solution, but it is the only solution that currently exists. Either be part of the solution or part of the problem. The PVP in Thornblade NA Cyrodiil will progressively become less and less competitive like every other campaign that was night capped regularly. Once that happens, PVP collapses and ceases to happen regularly. It'll just be a series of buff servers that PVErs log in to defend from time to time and get to Imp City.

Every single AD player that stubbornly clings to their VR14 and refuses to reroll or relevel is preventing the issue from being resolved.

I don't care how much of a hardship it is. I don't care how much you find it un-fun. Frankly, the game's in a better place if you quit, because then at least there's more balance to the population's factions.

Either reroll, convince others to reroll in your stead, or suffer. Watch the game burn and die because you can't be bothered.

Merlight · October 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

People will whine. Ignore them.

Done.

Aoe_Barbecue · October 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

You can AoE grind a character to V14 in a week or less if you wanted.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

You can AoE grind a character to V14 in a week or less if you wanted.

What's going to cost an AD player more? Spending a week rerolling and a few hours (not even days, hours, as you have access to your old mats and cash) beyond getting regeared.

Or $60 for another MMO with active PVP and then leveling from scratch there and learning the system, then getting good at the game.

Because if AD continues to stay stacked as they are, I can tell you which one you'll be forced to do to find an active PVP community.

Don't like it? Suck it up.

kevlarto_ESO · October 2014

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

It's not DiE/"The Skelly Group". It's the massive amount of AD pugs slamming into the massive amount of DC pugs. The same can be said of EP pugs slamming into AD or DC. The servers simply can't handle the load.

I agree and the server can not handle the load when all three factions are at the same keep Ad defending blue on one side red on the other making a purple smash..LOL the server can not handle forces of that magnitude.

I have had great battles huge battles lag not so bad, no server resets but it was when there was action spread out over the map and not all in one sector of cyrodill, I hope this is high on the dev's fix list.

Jaxsun · October 2014

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Jaxsun wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

"Shouldn't" and Reality are two different things right now.

Time to accept that ZOS isn't going to fix this anytime soon and start fixing it yourselves, AD players.

Lorkhan · October 2014

we need a megaserver

Braidas · October 2014

Lorkhan wrote: »

we need a megaserver

an interesting concept, would probably be broke as *** tho

bellanca6561n · October 2014

Flogging the deceased equine postmortem again, perhaps, but if you've played for all three factions to build your character, allow your character to play in any faction. With some friction and limits of course. Allow such a change once every two weeks, perhaps, or even once a month.

The re-roll option turns a pastime into a religion; you need extreme devotion to achieve salvation.

WebBull · October 2014

If all of Oceania didn't roll AD then this wouldn't be a problem. Get some of the larger guilds to switch factions.

OrangeTheCat · October 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

Incorrect.

[snip]

Every single AD player that stubbornly clings to their VR14 and refuses to reroll or relevel is preventing the issue from being resolved.

I don't care how much of a hardship it is. I don't care how much you find it un-fun. Frankly, the game's in a better place if you quit, because then at least there's more balance to the population's factions.

Either reroll, convince others to reroll in your stead, or suffer. Watch the game burn and die because you can't be bothered.

LOL!

LonePirate · October 2014

ZOS needs to allow players to fight for any faction of their choosing while in Cyrodiil. Make it a cost free option that can be changed at any time that only requires leaving and entering a campaign to take effect.

Satiar · October 2014

Some of these suggestions of what "ZoS should do" are awful. Free factions swaps? What are you guys on? That's gamebreaking insanity.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Satiar wrote: »

Some of these suggestions of what "ZoS should do" are awful. Free factions swaps? What are you guys on? That's gamebreaking insanity.

Not like it isn't without precedent.

Until then, though, asking AD to actually stand up and be responsible for their own mess -- well, guess that's LOLworthy according to them.

OrangeTheCat · October 2014

The reason why this thread is now funny is that this thread was not about there being more AD players than any other faction. It was about how everyone (in AD) is piling on to Thornblade and not Azura's Star or some other campaign. It is further made funny because some here have argued that one reason why these other servers are not being piled on to is because one or the other is EP's or DC's so-called "buff server". Yet that doesn't stop some people trying to shift the blame on to AD and how we are solely responsible for this or that and only we can solve the issue. How about if you EP/DC folks get off your holy high ground long enough to acknowledge how your factions are also at least in part to blame and maybe you do something about it.

Satiar · October 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Some of these suggestions of what "ZoS should do" are awful. Free factions swaps? What are you guys on? That's gamebreaking insanity.

Not like it isn't without precedent.

Until then, though, asking AD to actually stand up and be responsible for their own mess -- well, guess that's LOLworthy according to them.

I could at best see a 1-time swap, nothing repeated. I wouldn't like it though. Would prefer reroll incentives

Jaxsun · October 2014

Satiar wrote: »

Some of these suggestions of what "ZoS should do" are awful. Free factions swaps? What are you guys on? That's gamebreaking insanity.

The lag, fps and crashing issues are gamebreaking. Faction swapping for free with a cool down or one-time only will help alleviate the long queue's...how would it be game breaking?

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

The reason why this thread is now funny is that this thread was not about there being more AD players than any other faction. It was about how everyone (in AD) is piling on to Thornblade and not Azura's Star or some other campaign. It is further made funny because some here have argued that one reason why these other servers are not being piled on to is because one or the other is EP's or DC's so-called "buff server". Yet that doesn't stop some people trying to shift the blame on to AD and how we are solely responsible for this or that and only we can solve the issue. How about if you EP/DC folks get off your holy high ground long enough to acknowledge how your factions are also at least in part to blame and maybe you do something about it.

What do you propose we do about it?

Have children, raise them right for a few years, and then buy them accounts for the game?

Stand on street corners and proselytize, proclaiming all must sign up new accounts and should only ever roll EP/DC?

Or do you just want to feel good about yourself?

serenenightmare · October 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jaxsun wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

"Shouldn't" and Reality are two different things right now.

Time to accept that ZOS isn't going to fix this anytime soon and start fixing it yourselves, AD players.

Agreed Agrippa. What I hear from most AD players: "-insert crying here-, queue is 130!"

"-insert more crying/whining here- why is everything yellow!"

"The competition is so bad! HAIL YELLOW! Let's take the whole map to prove how amazing we are."

"Why can't DC and EP fight back when we're poplocked against their 2 bars?"

ZoS isn't going to fix *** anytime soon, it's already been proven in the past, especially PvP. I am trying to understand how it's fun to sit in a 160 queue, get in, and fight against two factions who are not poplocked.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jaxsun wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

"Shouldn't" and Reality are two different things right now.

Time to accept that ZOS isn't going to fix this anytime soon and start fixing it yourselves, AD players.

Agreed Agrippa. What I hear from most AD players: "-insert crying here-, queue is 130!"

"-insert more crying/whining here- why is everything yellow!"

"The competition is so bad! HAIL YELLOW! Let's take the whole map to prove how amazing we are."

"Why can't DC and EP fight back when we're poplocked against their 2 bars?"

ZoS isn't going to fix *** anytime soon, it's already been proven in the past, especially PvP. I am trying to understand how it's fun to sit in a 160 queue, get in, and fight against two factions who are not poplocked.

Exactly my thought. I can't fathom how unfun that must be. All that waiting for for that unfulfilling and uninspiring experience?

So they prevaricate and backpedal to convince themselves that they win simply due to sheer awesomeness (see Lady Lightbright's thread down the page) and when the plain truth is slapped onto their plate like a rancid fish, they try to explain how said fish is instead delectable and how it is somehow EP/DC's fault for now having sufficient population to fill the servers outside of primetime.

The next time you're steamrollering through a keep, wondering why there's little challenge to it, AD players, perhaps you should consider that the only fun game is the one where there's some chance of experiencing the failure state -- ie, losing -- because without that there's no thrill to the victories, and no joy to the competition, even the winners will stop showing up.

That's when Cyrodiil will be empty and you'll see a Massively.com article of 'ESO will be sunsetting services on Friday, closing down their NA / EU Megaservers for good....'

serenenightmare · October 2014

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jaxsun wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

"Shouldn't" and Reality are two different things right now.

Time to accept that ZOS isn't going to fix this anytime soon and start fixing it yourselves, AD players.

Agreed Agrippa. What I hear from most AD players: "-insert crying here-, queue is 130!"

"-insert more crying/whining here- why is everything yellow!"

"The competition is so bad! HAIL YELLOW! Let's take the whole map to prove how amazing we are."

"Why can't DC and EP fight back when we're poplocked against their 2 bars?"

ZoS isn't going to fix *** anytime soon, it's already been proven in the past, especially PvP. I am trying to understand how it's fun to sit in a 160 queue, get in, and fight against two factions who are not poplocked.

Exactly my thought. I can't fathom how unfun that must be. All that waiting for for that unfulfilling and uninspiring experience?

So they prevaricate and backpedal to convince themselves that they win simply due to sheer awesomeness (see Lady Lightbright's thread down the page) and when the plain truth is slapped onto their plate like a rancid fish, they try to explain how said fish is instead delectable and how it is somehow EP/DC's fault for now having sufficient population to fill the servers outside of primetime.

The next time you're steamrollering through a keep, wondering why there's little challenge to it, AD players, perhaps you should consider that the only fun game is the one where there's some chance of experiencing the failure state -- ie, losing -- because without that there's no thrill to the victories, and no joy to the competition, even the winners will stop showing up.

That's when Cyrodiil will be empty and you'll see a Massively.com article of 'ESO will be sunsetting services on Friday, closing down their NA / EU Megaservers for good....'

I feel like for some people, it has to deal with "being on the best/being on the winning side" at all times. They "think" they are the next best thing when in a zerg of 100+ people and kill 8 people from DC or 8 people from EP trying to defend a resource or a keep.

"But my guild has been AD from the start! I shouldn't have to change." No, you shouldn't have to change, it's sad how PvP has come down to the massive population imbalance. You're not losing your AD character, but you have the tools to help fix the problem you're whining about on the forums, yet refuse to do it. It's just kind of lazy. Whining and acting on it is one thing, crying and doing nothing is another.

Durham · October 2014

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

serenenightmare · October 2014

Durham wrote: »

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

If you know the leveling spots, you can easily be vr14 in 5 days. Easy, maybe even less if you don't have much on your plate outside of the game.

Do you enjoy fighting two factions who aren't poplocked? Yes? Then rerolling is not for you. Move on, nothing to see here.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

If you know the leveling spots, you can easily be vr14 in 5 days. Easy, maybe even less if you don't have much on your plate outside of the game.

Do you enjoy fighting two factions who aren't poplocked? Yes? Then rerolling is not for you. Move on, nothing to see here.

And frankly, for the health of the game, it's better if the AD players quit if they don't reroll.

Isn't is awful that its reached that state?

It shouldn't be at this point, but it is. ZOS should step in and implement some sort of gentle population control mechanic.

They haven't, and if history is any indicator, by the time they do it will be too late.

That AD players have to either reroll, quit, or not participate in PVP to make it healthier sucks. I agree.

Them's the breaks. It does suck, and there's not a thing about it sucking that changes that it must be done to keep the game alive and healthy.

Aoe_Barbecue · October 2014

As opposed to a faction switch, ZoS could incentivize AD rerolls by eliminating a the "Ugh I don't want to do that" reaction to leveling a new character. One way of doing this I can think of is to create a system where if an account has at least one VR14 that has completed the main story line, they are presented an option when creating a new character in another faction: skip levels 1-49 and get access to VR1 and the next faction's zone per Caldwell's quest.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ might this work?