So, 130 in Queue...

Lfehova

serenenightmare wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

If you know the leveling spots, you can easily be vr14 in 5 days. Easy, maybe even less if you don't have much on your plate outside of the game.

Do you enjoy fighting two factions who aren't poplocked? Yes? Then rerolling is not for you. Move on, nothing to see here.

Why do people complain about leveling a new character?

I leveled a second DK to turn him into a dark elf, and it only took me 1 day and 17 hours playtime to level him to vr12 without exploits in leveling.

It's not hard, it doesn't take long. People are just lazy and afraid of fighting outnumbered.

Agrippa_Invisus

Lfehova wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

If you know the leveling spots, you can easily be vr14 in 5 days. Easy, maybe even less if you don't have much on your plate outside of the game.

Do you enjoy fighting two factions who aren't poplocked? Yes? Then rerolling is not for you. Move on, nothing to see here.

Why do people complain about leveling a new character?

I leveled a second DK to turn him into a dark elf, and it only took me 1 day and 17 hours playtime to level him to vr12 without exploits in leveling.

It's not hard, it doesn't take long. People are just lazy and afraid of fighting outnumbered.

And, if people would coordinate with guilds in the factions of their choice (AD/EP), I'm sure there'd be no shortage of people who would help out.

Show them good spots to level, hook them up with crafters, or whatever needed to be done.

It's been discussed as some monumental task when, inherently, it's incredibly easy.

Aoe_Barbecue

I have an AD alt that I am AoE grinding when I am not in Cyrodiil. I can confirm that DC has, by far, the fastest AoE grind. Everyone said that AD would be faster. Not the case at all. DC has some epic AoE grind spots. Not sure about EP.

Agrippa_Invisus

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

I have an AD alt that I am AoE grinding when I am not in Cyrodiil. I can confirm that DC has, by far, the fastest AoE grind. Everyone said that AD would be faster. Not the case at all. DC has some epic AoE grind spots. Not sure about EP.

EP suffers from some fairly poor leveling areas. Most of our grinding happens in Craglorn and Coldharbor.

Crow's Wood is just too low level for us to give much xp. Whereas it's a VR zone for AD/DC.

serenenightmare

Lfehova wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

Xallus wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I have NEVER had to wait to get into pvp while in EP.

Oh wait thats because there is no balance in pvp pops... p.s well deserved wins AD..... sarcasm

Pretty much, and what the OP is forgetting in his proposal is that he is part of the most heavily populated faction. So his division of the factions just makes two servers where AD wins, and more than likely even easier... because the opposing factions that are 1-2 bars at most 12 hours a day on Thorn... are now halved.

Who wants to play when if you log on your faction has 20 people total on vs 75+ AD? Not a soul, more ppl would quit and eventually turn cyrodil into a 1 day event for AD, followed by endless scout enemy keep quests to get tier 3.

The most reasonable fix for your issue with long queues is to re-roll.

Forcing people to reroll to balance will make tons of people quit.
. To many are people are attached to guilds and friends ... This solution will kill my medium size guild.. Allowing us to switch to red and blue would be the best solution... After you have completed the oposing realms quest in the VR level we should be able to switch sides for an extended time...

If you know the leveling spots, you can easily be vr14 in 5 days. Easy, maybe even less if you don't have much on your plate outside of the game.

Do you enjoy fighting two factions who aren't poplocked? Yes? Then rerolling is not for you. Move on, nothing to see here.

Why do people complain about leveling a new character?

I leveled a second DK to turn him into a dark elf, and it only took me 1 day and 17 hours playtime to level him to vr12 without exploits in leveling.

It's not hard, it doesn't take long. People are just lazy and afraid of fighting outnumbered.

Beats me. I find it fun to level with someone too. I find it rewarding and exciting to be outnumbered. Guess it isn't the case for everyone?

LonePirate

Aoe_Barbecue wrote: »

I have an AD alt that I am AoE grinding when I am not in Cyrodiil. I can confirm that DC has, by far, the fastest AoE grind. Everyone said that AD would be faster. Not the case at all. DC has some epic AoE grind spots. Not sure about EP.

If you have a friend or two or three to join you, then you can level quickly in the EP zones as Stonefalls, Deshaan, Shadowfen and The Rift all have good grinding spots (although I heard a report The Rift's best spot was nerfed). I used many of those spots to grind solo so grouping should only hasten the process. Porting to a friend or guildie in Coldharbour and grinding there is also an option.

Bramir

Almost 6:30pm EST, and AD is pop-locked and EP and DC are both at two bars. Fantastic competition going on here!

Agrippa_Invisus

Bramir wrote: »

Almost 6:30pm EST, and AD is pop-locked and EP and DC are both at two bars. Fantastic competition going on here!

Superior organizational skills!
Better skilled players!
WHARGLEBARGLE!

berit

typically when i log into cyrodiil on weeknights the queue is in the 40s for EP on Thornblade. on average it takes 1min per person you're behind to get in. so... i'm waiting around 40mins to get in each night.

edit: the issues in cyrodiil (crashes, lag, exploits, etc.) have been so frustrating i haven't been trying to get in cyrodiil for a week. so my info is a week old.

OrangeTheCat

Wow! I don't PvP all that much really. A few times a month. So whatever.

But I must have REALLY pinched a nerve here with some people. A lot of pent up anger. Maybe you should seek a therapist. Life's too short.

OrangeTheCat

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

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And frankly, for the health of the game, it's better if the AD players quit if they don't reroll.
[snip]

Hey ZOS, are you getting this? We have a player here telling us AD to just quit the game if we don't want to re-roll and slog our way to VR14 again.

Sotha_Sil

As always, we have no idea if this is EU or NA thread... I guess EU.

ZOS FIX THE FORUMS AND MAKE EU AND NA SECTIONS....

bellanca6561n

Please, will someone tell me what defensible rationale exists, if you've played for all three factions to create your character, is there for freezing you in the faction you began in? What game of import has ever forced such a thing?

I will never make a level 14 character in this game. Most people who try this game won't. Many who do will only do so once. More than that is a level of crazy so far beyond the balanced, full featured adult world that game play based on direct player competition will descend into a non adult activity.

It was originally the only activity in online gaming. And it was only for adults. At three dollars an hour or more only adults, and successful adults, could afford it. So what is it now? A measure of how unsuccessful you are? That's what the blithe "re-roll" coda to all these discussions sounds like to me.

Xallus

Jaxsun wrote: »

Kirsika wrote: »

EP and DC don't have queues like that, maybe it's time to reroll out of the banana horde?

Shouldn't have to reroll cuz zos sucks the knob, we should be able to switch factions, with a 7 day cool down, and it should be free to do so. Or, make all AP gained regardless of campaign to count towards emp.

How is this in any way ZOS's fault? Because they allowed an overwhelming number of players to choose one faction over the other two? Perhaps the character selection screen should have had population caps, " We're sorry, the Aldmeri Dominion is full, you may not create a character on this faction at this time."

Braidas wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

we need a megaserver

an interesting concept, would probably be broke as *** tho

It would absolutely be just as broken as it is now. The problem with a mega-server and Cyrodil as is, is the goal of having Cyrodil be an extremely tiny version of EvE, an open battleground with control objectives littered with pvp, however essentially requiring every player to pretty much commit to and fight for the team they chose first. I'll substitute faction for alliance here for the comparison. It works in EvE, because no matter what race or faction you choose initially any one player, "guild" of players or faction of players can fight and conquer anything they want. Defect from one side to another, start their own campaign of conquest or even unofficially attack/claim/defend their own unofficial area to control. What you choose on day one has no effect on who you'll be fighting or where you'll call home 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years later with that same character. 99% of players could have initially chosen one particular faction, and the game would be just as competitive.

This will never happen because it breaks the ESO story to pieces.

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Re-rolling is not a solution. The heavy cost in time (to level back to vr14) prevents it from being a solution.

Being presented with a problem, and suffering an inconvenience to fix it, is the definition of solution. The problem is your queue times, the simplest solution to pvp with low to no queue times right now is to re-roll.

They said at the guild summit they were looking further into fixing population imbalances. The only solution I could think might work is something like but not necessarily, the low population bonus you receive for having low population for a given period of time. But rather the points a given faction receives every hour is automatically adjusted by their population difference to the other factions. That might address the scores at least during oceanic.

Queue times score trends are just the tip of the iceberg imo. I think it was a huge mistake to keep guesting in, much less travel to player. Door is wide open for higher pop time-zone factions to exploit to essentially surpass the population caps, much less... them troll camps.

Xallus

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

The reason why this thread is now funny is that this thread was not about there being more AD players than any other faction. It was about how everyone (in AD) is piling on to Thornblade and not Azura's Star or some other campaign.

Check this out.

It was about how everyone (in AD) is piling on to Thornblade and not Azura's Star or some other campaign.The reason why this thread is now funny is that this thread was not about there being more AD players than any other faction.

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

It is further made funny because some here have argued that one reason why these other servers are not being piled on to is because one or the other is EP's or DC's so-called "buff server". Yet that doesn't stop some people trying to shift the blame on to AD and how we are solely responsible for this or that and only we can solve the issue. How about if you EP/DC folks get off your holy high ground long enough to acknowledge how your factions are also at least in part to blame and maybe you do something about it.

You do understand what a "buff-server" means right? It means it's empty, there's no fast paced action, no defenses or sieges keeping you wondering if you're going to win or not, they flip the map, and leave. No-one likes playing Monopoly by themselves. They all guest Thorn, and there's no EP buff server, there are two AD ones though.

Some AD in here said once he had a 120 queue.... You and your fellow AD do realize that's 100+ more people than we have total, right? That's during prime-time when we're barely locked. And then you come here to say we should share in the blame of your predicament of having long queue times because why? You want us to filter the few we have to a different server, gimping both so you don't have to wait in queue while we get smashed even worse?

We're happy to have 100 ONLINE, much less worry about a queue.

Honfold

They need to allow free alliance changes.

Valymer

Xallus wrote: »

This will never happen because it breaks the ESO story to pieces.

Yeah, because my Altmer doing veteran quests to save the Ebonheart Pact doesn't.

OrangeTheCat

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

reften

Satiar wrote: »

If you don't like waiting in line, there's two other factions. I've never waited more than 10 minutes for EP.

I'd be happy to switch to a different alliance. But hell if I'll start over from nothing to do that...

Bramir

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

Nice troll! 8/10!

Too bad it is nothing but nonsense...

I sincerely hope you aren't stupid enough to actually believe : "Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD."

Pretty sure you must be one of the people that makes sure they play for the team slated to win...

OrangeTheCat

Bramir wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

Nice troll! 8/10!

Too bad it is nothing but nonsense...

I sincerely hope you aren't stupid enough to actually believe : "Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD."

Pretty sure you must be one of the people that makes sure they play for the team slated to win...

Not trolling. I joined AD during pre-release. Why? Because during beta my friends and I preferred the levels 1-10 AD quest line over the other faction's early quest line. Back then there was no PvP track record to base a decision on. But now there is.

And yeah, success attracts followers; few people enjoy joining the losing team. Nothing new about that.

If you want your faction to grow, do more winning and do less whining.

Agrippa_Invisus

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

Nice troll! 8/10!

Too bad it is nothing but nonsense...

I sincerely hope you aren't stupid enough to actually believe : "Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD."

Pretty sure you must be one of the people that makes sure they play for the team slated to win...

Not trolling. I joined AD during pre-release. Why? Because during beta my friends and I preferred the levels 1-10 AD quest line over the other faction's early quest line. Back then there was no PvP track record to base a decision on. But now there is.

And yeah, success attracts followers; few people enjoy joining the losing team. Nothing new about that.

If you want your faction to grow, do more winning and do less whining.

PVP under OTC's system --

Some AD: "So, I haven't seen a red or blue in three weeks. Every server is monotone, even Thornblade."
Another AD: "Well, I heard all the major guilds rerolled to AD since we won. And encouraged the pugs to."
Some AD: "Well, they wanted to join the winning team! We're awesome!"
Another AD: "I know, right! Look at how exciting this PVP is, where we keep killing these respawning guards at the gate of Ni-Mohk. It's a real challenge for our locked population to keep these NPCs clear so we can get skyshards!"
Some AD: "I wish there was someone to fight. Maybe I could reroll to a DC."
Another AD: "No, man. You should stay on the winning team. Until they defeat us here at this gate and take the map, they don't deserve members of their team!"
Some AD: "You're right! I want to be a winner."
Another AD: "I'm bored."

OrangeTheCat

Nice trolling.

Agrippa_Invisus

Just a bit of reductio ad absurdum, which is about what the argument's worthy of.

Lorkhan

thronblade has the 3 alliances population locked in rush hours. the best hours

OrangeTheCat

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OrangeTheCat

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just a bit of reductio ad absurdum, which is about what the argument's worthy of.

Hardly. You made up a speculative and, frankly, ridiculous hypothetical conversation with an absurd pre-condition (Thornblade is empty). I doubt such conversations happen very often. If anything, yours, I believe, is an example of the reification fallacy.

Bramir

Lorkhan wrote: »

thronblade has the 3 alliances population locked in rush hours. the best hours

Yep, but that short period of time has little effect on the outcome of the campaign, and that is the problem. Instead, the campaign is decided in what are 'off-hours' for the servers location, when two of the three factions do not have enough people to defend a single keep.

Bramir

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

Nice troll! 8/10!

Too bad it is nothing but nonsense...

I sincerely hope you aren't stupid enough to actually believe : "Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD."

Pretty sure you must be one of the people that makes sure they play for the team slated to win...

Back then there was no PvP track record to base a decision on.

Since there was no track record, how did AD use it to attract followers?

Why do people who joined AD deserve to be rewarded for making the same choice that most others did, while everyone else suffers being outnumbered most of the time?

OrangeTheCat

Bramir wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Another "solution" is instead of taking the easy way out and trying to convince AD players to defect to your losing faction, you dry up your tears, little one, and take some responsibility; get out there and recruit for your team. Or better yet, start playing better and smarter and start winning. Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD. Or is that just too inconvenient for you and just easier to play the part of the victim and blame AD for being too good?

Nice troll! 8/10!

Too bad it is nothing but nonsense...

I sincerely hope you aren't stupid enough to actually believe : "Nothing attracts followers like success; it's worked for AD."

Pretty sure you must be one of the people that makes sure they play for the team slated to win...

Back then there was no PvP track record to base a decision on.

Since there was no track record, how did AD use it to attract followers?

[snip]

It has since developed that reputation, over time, in a self-reinforcing manner. I'd wager at the start of release the three factions PvP track records were about the same. But for whatever reason AD got the upper hand, maybe attracted more and/or better PvP guilds, who knows, doesn't matter really, until here we are at the present situation. All speculative of course. Oh, but you already realize that. You were just baiting me with a red herring.